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I can't do a render right now, but could you rotate the panels so that you have a diamond shape and do the coffers that way?
JPA,

Just found this generalized diagram for residential Atmos.......Mike Garrett from AVS emailed me the same diagram. With Triad contacting Dolby directly, should have a definitive answer soon. I should also contact Roger Dressler and get his take.....wise, knowledgeable man.

With enclosed diagram, you can see why I'm trying to implement the non-symmetric center......ceiling speakers covers a large area. My call to Triad with recommendations is on hold until Triad feels comfortable with their suggestions......ie angle dispersions, SPL requirements, location etc. Triad wants to confirm technical requirements from Dolby.

For now, Triad Headquarters suggest at minimum four In-ceiling Silver Sats.......should timbre match my Silver LCR's and not be too bad on pocket book. In addition , in-ceiling Silver Sats have an angled baffle and are 5-1/2 inches deep......perfect fit .

Here's some food for thought:


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I vote for number 1. Really like the added detail.
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Main problem with that diagram is that it's only showing one listener... What about two rows?

I'm to install four speakers over the five seat area anyway, but it can't be in front and behind everyone.... More like overhead and behind/ahead depending on row.
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Put me down for #1
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You did know this decision was battle of the sexes? One my wife favors, other I prefer.



Reveals can be any depth I want up to 3 inches.......I just quickly nailed to get idea. Thanks, your input helps.......



BTW, you convinced me to pin nail and glue crown....

I am talking more about the reveal on the bottom of the crown molding itself.

You won't regret the pin nailer especially with all of this work being overhead. Almost said over your head, but that wouldn't have sounded right!


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I think I'm leaning towards #1 as well, but could easily be swayed in either direction. The scale might look different when compared to the rest of the room. Hard to say.

I know you said you weren't sure about the diagonal layout, so here's a quick render.



As far as ATMOS ceiling speakers go, as Nightlord pointed out, I'm concerned about multiple rows. Also, that layout doesn't explain how to handle multiple seats in a row either. That is, how far apart should the overhead speakers be placed? Should they be even with the outermost chairs in the row? A little further apart? For me at least, that's going to make a big difference as to how I'll need to prewire.
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Thanks guys! I just showed my beautiful wife the results and some of the same comments I mentioned to her you guys brought up. The end result, she leaves staring, "Whatever.........it's your room!"

Guess we guys favor #1 and so it shall be........

How much reveal should I use........was thinking 1" exposed from crown and ceiling OG base.........really want to beef up crown.
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Main problem with that diagram is that it's only showing one listener... What about two rows?

I'm to install four speakers over the five seat area anyway, but it can't be in front and behind everyone.... More like overhead and behind/ahead depending on row.
From my understanding from my phone conversation residential Atmos can be Front/rear aimed at listening position/s and slightly off to side........no mention of each row having their own ceiling speaker. Monopoles with wide diffusion that dips slightly below 80 Hz.
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I think I'm leaning towards #1 as well, but could easily be swayed in either direction. The scale might look different when compared to the rest of the room. Hard to say.

I know you said you weren't sure about the diagonal layout, so here's a quick render.



As far as ATMOS ceiling speakers go, as Nightlord pointed out, I'm concerned about multiple rows. Also, that layout doesn't explain how to handle multiple seats in a row either. That is, how far apart should the overhead speakers be placed? Should they be even with the outermost chairs in the row? A little further apart? For me at least, that's going to make a big difference as to how I'll need to prewire.
I really like the diamonds, seems to give a good area for the diffuser and still give areas for Atmos speakers.
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I think I'm leaning towards #1 as well, but could easily be swayed in either direction. The scale might look different when compared to the rest of the room. Hard to say.

I know you said you weren't sure about the diagonal layout, so here's a quick render.



As far as ATMOS ceiling speakers go, as Nightlord pointed out, I'm concerned about multiple rows. Also, that layout doesn't explain how to handle multiple seats in a row either. That is, how far apart should the overhead speakers be placed? Should they be even with the outermost chairs in the row? A little further apart? For me at least, that's going to make a big difference as to how I'll need to prewire.
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I really like the diamonds, seems to give a good area for the diffuser and still give areas for Atmos speakers.
I would tend to agree.....JPA has brought a cool, unique Idea!

My pencil and graph paper are on overdrive!
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You may have seen this pic before (I haven't went through every page yet) but thought I would share in case you haven't, I found it on houzz and it looks similar to the idea.

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You may have seen this pic before (I haven't went through every page yet) but thought I would share in case you haven't, I found it on houzz and it looks similar to the idea.

Thanks for posting photo.........definitely an attractive look while being unique. Currently graphing out idea on paper.
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I'm short seven 10 ft pieces of 3-1/4" OG base moldings to finish soffits.........

Those seven pieces will come with second round of of KA delivery. I had shipment come staggered due to garage size......in other words I don't have enough room even though I have a triple bay garage 34' X 25'!

Took this picture since wood is so perrrrtryy!


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I've been going back and forth in my mind (and probably will continue to do so) about the design of my theater. On the one hand I have this visual of the Emperor's Throne Room from ROTJ and on the other I have this very nice wood panel look, similar to yours. I'm swinging back in that direction now.
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Oh, for a minute I thought you were "Laying the wood" to your garage. Beautiful wood there, love the knots...not too overdone. Nice job nature.


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I've been going back and forth in my mind (and probably will continue to do so) about the design of my theater. On the one hand I have this visual of the Emperor's Throne Room from ROTJ and on the other I have this very nice wood panel look, similar to yours. I'm swinging back in that direction now.
Well.........

That's how Mother Nature works......gets us men in tuned with our feminine side.........ie having a hard time with these theater design decisions!

Lately, I've had quite a bit of time getting to know my feminine side! I just can't make up my mind with this theater' decorative design...........usually I'm so,so decisive!

Best to get ideas, thoughts on paper........they're sure going to change........a lot!!!!
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Aesthetic decisions are really the hardest for me too.
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Oh, for a minute I thought you were "Laying the wood" to your garage. Beautiful wood there, love the knots...not too overdone. Nice job nature.


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Too funny..........

Thought my thread was being interrupted momentarily by a "Cialis" commercial!

At my age.........seems fitting!

Yeah, laying the wood in garage has a feel of accomplishment.......... ...but I'm only 40% done finishing KA material. More wood to sand, condition, stain, sand and shoot lacquer.

Funny , 15-20 years ago we used to chip saw Alder logs or cut it up for firewood......wasn't worth time/effort in small quantities. Now, per thousand BF, Alder has a much higher price than Douglas Fir!

Alder used to be considered a "poor man's" Cherry ......not anymore. Price of Alder is getting up there. I'm fortunate to have received exceptional pricing for this wood .....as I mention before, I'm only going to be into this soffit/ceiling project for just over/under a grand. Back East, I'd expect you'd pay double/triple or more for this material!
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Aesthetic decisions are really the hardest for me too.
I agree, but those issues can be averted through planning.........real issues arise when you ponder making changes midstream. Use my case as a clinical standard!
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Decided to go with this profile.....

Reveal on 3-1/4" OG base on ceiling and on 1 X 8 will be one inch.......making template today and going to purchase a pin nailer.....I'm sold on one!
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I would tend to agree.....JPA has brought a cool, unique Idea!

My pencil and graph paper are on overdrive!
I wasn't trying to talk you into the new coffer design. I was already sitting at my computer and figured I do a render in 5 minutes or so, and it might at least give you some ideas.

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I wasn't trying to talk you into the new coffer design. I was already sitting at my computer and figured I do a render in 5 minutes or so, and it might at least give you some ideas.

Really appreciate help and suggestions.........

Worst part about this process, when I put up soffit face, the wood is so, so striking I keep forgetting about why I'm building coffers........for hiding acoustical treatments and speakers!

In back of my mind, I keep thinking, "What if......."

Not a good thought process since I actually considered scraping treatments and just emphasize coffers. Those 1 X 8's are truly gorgeous and are the bane of my original theater room design!
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Well, didn't get a lot accomplished yesterday..........had heat advisory in our location which means I was outside watching plants wither applying water.

We were supposed to have our fence built yesterday but evidently it was too hot for them too. Fence has to go up before we can blow in 20 units of barkdust......this has been problematic because landscaper has root ball of plants two inches above ground.........consequentially, plant withers in heat and I chase the property with a live watering hose! I'm glad landscaping is done this week.........it's been a painful two month event!

Up early trying to finish up what I was supposed to have been done yesterday........get all 1 X 8 glued, nailed and screwed into place. Hoping to have this done before I head to Vancouver, Washington to experience an Atmos theater..........an almost 2 hr drive.

BTW, how do you like my "red-neck" workbench?



Here you go: $18.99

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Build yourself nice mitre table stand out of two saw horses, sheet of ply - and use that along the side.
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Here you go: $18.99

http://www.sears.com/1/p-00916489000...5&AID=11042411

Build yourself nice mitre table stand out of two saw horses, sheet of ply - and use that along the side.
Thanks! Perfect timing as I was ready to hit town for pin nailer along with finalizing last KA order.
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I think I like this one!


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I think I like this one!

That is pretty bad ass.

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Great HT!
Is your ceiling Ralph Lauren Suede?
What color is it - as it seems to be a light color - does it reflect any of the projector light?
Also - how many gallon cans did you need?

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Is your ceiling Ralph Lauren Suede?
What color is it - as it seems to be a light color - does it reflect any of the projector light?
Also - how many gallon cans did you need?

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Yes, paint is Ralph Lauren Suede in color "Deigo"

Actually, it's pretty dark color......is gray with a tinge of bronze. When lights are off no reflections due to texture, color, and how flat paint is. Room is a perfect compromise between all black and being able to use room for other purposes than movies. I hate black, but this is a solid replacement.

For some reason, colors in my room look brighter.......maybe because room can light up like a Christmas tree?

Thanks for complement!


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I think I like this one!

JPA......

You might have hit a home run! Fits all descriptions I need and has a design flair I like! Sweet!
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Round number two on mock up......

There are three choices for coffer beam tray lighting. JPA has be motivated with his rendition.........this mock up is for those beams. Please voice your opinion as I 'm trying to decide between two of the three. As usually, I always throw in my wife' preference.........for now, she's 0-1!

Option # 1:

OG base flush



OG base level.......
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