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I also have to purchase a metal detector for finding channels....
Magnet?
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Great idea........I know general layout of channels and took pictures just in case........yet I want to make sure I hit as many channels as possible. Maybe magnet combined with my stud find would give me more confidence.
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I agree one #1 . Just looks more finished, IMO, tho they're both nice looking.

My room will end up being about 16x19, but we're still finalizing design. That estimate was for a soffitt ceiling w/2 layers of crown (one to the soffit, one in the soffit, hiding LEDs), baseboard, chair rail, and 1/4" one sided plywood up to 36", w/ picture framing. I'm leaning towards building columns from the plywood too, which will just keep raising the price.

Always been a fan of the grain with cherry, and the brightness of the wood. If we go darker, I'm considering walnut.

Think about clear Alder...........can be stained to look like Cherry but at 70-80% the cost. Alder used to be called "poor man's Cherry"..........not any more.
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I've seen someone on here post something about a rare-earth magnet that they used for this very thing. I don't remember where they got it, how much it cost, or which thread I read about it in……. Yeah, I know, that was a lot of help, right

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I like TMcG's 2.5. I was always unsure how you would tie the legs into your soffits. The floating boxes eliminate that problem.

I would not do legs down the center as I have this and I do get a fair amount of reflection from my center seat.

I always liked the pic you had posted a while back for the ceiling part of the coffer to be wood.



So a possibility would be to have the ceiling be wood everywhere except the inside of the floating boxes which would be treatment and cloth.
Originally I planned on doing that ie, center piece surrounded by Knotty Alder plywood. I had an almost full sheet of 3/4 KA plywood so a couple of friends came over and we hoisted sheet to ceiling while I plugged in a movie..........well, it was very distracting and gave up on idea. We all took turns viewing and consensus was not viable. It sure would have been a show stopper.........not only that, I was able to get 1/4" vcore Knotty Alder plywood for $55 a sheet..........would have needed only 5-6 sheets.
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I've seen someone on here post something about a rare-earth magnet that they used for this very thing. I don't remember where they got it, how much it cost, or which thread I read about it in……. Yeah, I know, that was a lot of help, right
Or I can drive 70 miles to Tigard Home Depot and purchase a Zircon 40S metal detector.

Your suggestion helps! My brother-in-law has a strong magnet used for picking up nails.......bet that would work.

All I need to do is find one channel smack dab in middle.........then rest would be a piece of cake.
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Aboslutely, hands down the best stud finder I have ever used... its fool proof.
Assuming you managed to hit your channel when screwing up the sheeting this will have no issues finding the channel

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Magnet?

See what you did JPA........you got the ball rolling! If you hadn't mention magnet I wouldn't have a solution.

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Aboslutely, hands down the best stud finder I have ever used... its fool proof.
Assuming you managed to hit your channel when screwing up the sheeting this will have no issues finding the channel

http://www.amazon.com/CH-Hanson-0304...ds=stud+finder


Thanks for telling about your secret........

Just entered the "new age" and acquired a Pay Pal account a couple months ago. Your resource takes Pay Pal so my first purchase using method. Thank yoooooooouuuuuuu very much for the tip!

It's on order.......hoping by the middle of next week to begin framing for ceiling structure.
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One of the coolest things I've seen in a while around here was Tim's custom sketch up
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Do you remember your column dimensions? I'm trying to decide how deep to make mine.

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With patent-pending advanced white out tool...
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How deep are your speakers? Most of the designs recommend about 9-15 degrees (most typically 9) of downward tilt angle and perhaps a slight toe angle, so you'll have to take that placement flexibility into consideration when designing the speaker area in the column. The front side speakers in my future Atmos setup require almost 8" in depth for a 4" depth speaker because of the toe-in toward the MLP. The rear height speakers require almost 7" because the 4" depth speaker is tilted down at a 30 degree angle.
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Do you remember your column dimensions? I'm trying to decide how deep to make mine.
16" wide and 6" deep............

Just used 3/4 Knotty Alder plywood and used keg jig and glue. Purchased 6/4 x 8" x 10' Knotty Alder board and ripped to 1-1/2" then used dado to make corner moulding. Took two days to build and another two days to finish.

Columns work great and have them dampen on two blocks.....one on top, one on bottom. Had to develop a way to to lengthen columns since I have 10 ft ceiling and plywood was 96 ". Columns are earthquake ready!
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That was a classic post! Don't see too many around here.......

That post may come to fruition....... down to JPA's box-X and TMcGoogle's dual box connect!
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Received an email from Steve Colburn from Triad who is standing in for Bill Rouark who's on vacation. Steve tried to call me but Bill has my number......so I will call on Monday.

Evidently, Steven had a thorough conversation with Dolby concerning Atmos. Will talk to Steve on Monday and have definitive answer on all details concerning Atmos.
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Speaking of Atmos........I'm waiting for the one real issue I know I'll be facing.........only have 18" from soffit face to 2nd row seat. This may mean I'll have to build center piece right up against real soffit and locate rear ceiling speaker against soffit. Not the aesthetic appeal I want, but acoustics takes precedence.

Here's a pic of what I mean........

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Now the BIG question is.... Did he do that intentionally?...

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Fixed it!

Take most of my pics with iPhone and darn vbulletin doesn't cooperate.

Watch this........going to use my Sony Tablet and can post multiple pics....

1........2............threeeeeeee

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Done with front for crown........now just have to finish back which begins as soon as I hear from Triad.







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After finishing front, plugged in opening scene from "Skyfall" to see if soffit changes created issues with light reflection. To my amazement, couldn't see front soffit whatsoever. The light tray as usual would light up time to time, but soffit face sits 6" deeper than light tray and was completely black!!! SWEET!

I'll have to run REW sweeps again since my "Golden ears" thought opening scene from "Skyfall" was a little more airy if that's an appropriate adjective. Something definitely was different and am wonder exactly what it is..........if I can't measure it, it's the placebo effect ie doesn't exist!

My thinking crown on soffit face is acting like diffuser.

Any how, this soffit project has had the greatest effect on room aesthetic for the least amount of money...........total 1/2 way point in, I'm down what........$600.

$600 more to go.........now to coffers or variants.
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Coffered lighting

Hey Doublewing. I went through my photos, including a handful from Dubai, and I came across a lighting scheme that may be of interest to you and solve a number of your design challenges with both the speakers and the acoustic treatments.

This is from the Sky Lobby in the Burj Khalifa in Dubai:


Let's say you build the two large floating coffers (design 2.5), the inset could hide the cove lights close to the ceiling and point toward the inside vertical of the floating coffer for a nice, diffuse look like what's in the picture. The amount of spacing between the inset and the inside vertical of your coffer would determine how much light gets into the room. If you see the effect in a darkened room, it's really quite nice. The height of the inset could comfortably be 4 or 5 inches which should be plenty of depth to allow for your fancy new ceiling Triads and acoustic treatments. I'd assume you could cover the whole thing with GOM 701 or similar so nothing is seen and your insets are pitch black.

Let me know your thoughts.
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I'll have to run REW sweeps again since my "Golden ears" thought opening scene from "Skyfall" was a little more airy if that's an appropriate adjective. Something definitely was different and am wonder exactly what it is..........if I can't measure it, it's the placebo effect ie doesn't exist!
or you aren't measuring the right thing, possibly.

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Hey Doublewing. I went through my photos, including a handful from Dubai, and I came across a lighting scheme that may be of interest to you and solve a number of your design challenges with both the speakers and the acoustic treatments.

This is from the Sky Lobby in the Burj Khalifa in Dubai:


Let's say you build the two large floating coffers (design 2.5), the inset could hide the cove lights close to the ceiling and point toward the inside vertical of the floating coffer for a nice, diffuse look like what's in the picture. The amount of spacing between the inset and the inside vertical of your coffer would determine how much light gets into the room. If you see the effect in a darkened room, it's really quite nice. The height of the inset could comfortably be 4 or 5 inches which should be plenty of depth to allow for your fancy new ceiling Triads and acoustic treatments. I'd assume you could cover the whole thing with GOM 701 or similar so nothing is seen and your insets are pitch black.

Let me know your thoughts.
I like the idea......

But without TMcGoogle......it's tough to get a visual! Are you referring to flipping the crown downward to reflect off vertical piece? Was planning on crown being down at bottom of vert with reveal.

Appreciate the help on this one and would like these coffers to be unique. Was planning on using 27 LF of GOM Meander I have left.......my wife who's a quilter ordered fabric for me and she ordered waaaaay to much fabric on first go around. Fabric is same as what's on walls.

Plan on build up currently is :

5-1/4 " OG base on ceiling
1 X 8" vertical
3-1/4 OG base with 1" reveal
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1 X 6" bottom with 1/4 reveal

Build up was based on what you guys liked. Open to alternatives for center.

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Thanks,

Soffit was hard part since my corners of soffit weren't exactly perfectly square.

Now for the easy, fun part.......
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How much is a license for TMcGoogleSketchup ? I might need to use it.
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I was hoping software comes in 3D version along with being Atmos compliant!

BTW, what's up with all of us having younger wives? My wife is 6 years younger than me..........

Most embarrassing events in my life have been when my wife an I go out for dinner, waitress asks what my daughter would like......what does that mean?

I must admit, wife is closing on 50 but doesn' look a day over thirty! Good Norwegian genes!

In my case, German born Father and British born Mother.........ummmm, not good!
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BTW, what's up with all of us having younger wives? My wife is 6 years younger than me..........
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I don't think it's all that odd for Men to marry younger women; there's historical precedent dating back hundreds of years actually.

In my case it just worked out that way. I wasn't interested in marriage or kids when I was in my 20's. I liked being single. I liked going to the gym, riding Motocross, playing my guitar loud, having a 110" projector in my bedroom (WAF factor NO!) having a dedicated game room to link xboxes over LAN, playing PC games till sun came up, going out at night drinking with my friends, chasing different women, and not having to answer to someone or worry about someone else in my decision making. Around the age of 31 my outlook changed, I think I just matured and actually got my fill of all that "boy" stuff. My wife had a big part of that too.

Things just kind of naturally developed but I can say honestly I never though too much about marriage until I met my wife. She was 24 when I met her, I was 31.

I think generally speaking that 28-33 year old men have a natural attraction towards slightly younger girls 22-27 because women are more mature and ready for marriage and kids sooner and there's often a big difference with men in early 30's in terms of income, stability, maturity etc... Girls just like that stuff. Guys OTOH like the younger and physically fit women because of simple physical attraction. I was doing a lot of internet dating before I met my wife and I had dated a few older girls (couple years older, nothing crazy ) but they seemed like old ladies to me. I dated a 34 year old then a 24 year old back to back, I remember realizing that I just liked the younger girls more because they were more fun. This of coarse isn't always true but I think it's true enough to explain why a lot of guys date younger girls (and sometimes marry) and also why a lot of younger girls like to date older men (and also marry). Marriage has more to do with finding the right person than ages do of coarse, but attraction and getting a quality relationship started are the first step.

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