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I'll say.......seriously, my mother-in-law is first generation and is 87 years old but she looks barely 60!

Definitely an understatement!
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I like the idea......

But without TMcGoogle......it's tough to get a visual! Are you referring to flipping the crown downward to reflect off vertical piece? Was planning on crown being down at bottom of vert with reveal.
OK. Hopefully this TcMGoogle Sketchup helps you visualize what I meant in my post. Remember, the software is currently incapable of accurate scale, which is no matter since accuracy in engineering drawings is an overrated feature.



I believe you were looking for triad to make a surface mount speaker that has a very low profile that you could use for your ceiling Atmos speakers. Knowing Triad, I would assume their design would be in the 4" range, similar to their in-walls. You were also looking to place acoustic treatments on the ceiling and cover with acoustic fabric while still finding a way to light everything up with indirect cove light of some sort. So my proposal is creating a functional inset within the inner portion of each coffer that can conceal the speakers and treatment while providing a spot for indirect rope lighting, similar to the Burj Khalifa picture above, that simply shines against the inside portion of your coffer. Make sense?

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How much is a license for TMcGoogleSketchup ? I might need to use it.
Product information was posted in The Plains Theater at THIS post. Pricing fluctuates, but is closely tied to the wholesale market pricing for dehydrated chicken livers.

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I was hoping software comes in 3D version along with being Atmos compliant!

BTW, what's up with all of us having younger wives? My wife is 6 years younger than me..........
If it's any consolation, my second wife hasn't even been born yet....
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OK. Hopefully this TcMGoogle Sketchup helps you visualize what I meant in my post. Remember, the software is currently incapable of accurate scale, which is no matter since accuracy in engineering drawings is an overrated feature.



I believe you were looking for triad to make a surface mount speaker that has a very low profile that you could use for your ceiling Atmos speakers. Knowing Triad, I would assume their design would be in the 4" range, similar to their in-walls. You were also looking to place acoustic treatments on the ceiling and cover with acoustic fabric while still finding a way to light everything up with indirect cove light of some sort. So my proposal is creating a functional inset within the inner portion of each coffer that can conceal the speakers and treatment while providing a spot for indirect rope lighting, similar to the Burj Khalifa picture above, that simply shines against the inside portion of your coffer. Make sense?



Product information was posted in The Plains Theater at THIS post. Pricing fluctuates, but is closely tied to the wholesale market pricing for dehydrated chicken livers.



If it's any consolation, my second wife hasn't even been born yet....
I like it!!! You just cost me more material!

What a great idea! One of a kind......different......

Applying TMcGoogle now makes perfect sense..........what would this world do with out it!

Concept is out now let's build it! Triad's getting back to me.....thought was to use either in ceiling Silver Sats, Bronze LCR's, or custom build Silver LCR's in an angled baffle. Minimum of 6" is required which is doable.

If Triad's conversation with Dolby suggests getting away without angled baffle, standard 4" in-wall Silver LCR's could be modified for ceiling.

Will figure logistics out on how to build with what material......glad someone has a creative mind since it's not me!
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I'll say.......seriously, my mother-in-law is first generation and is 87 years old but she looks barely 60!

Definitely an understatement!
Well, if I told the truth, no one would believe me, so...

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I like it!!! You just cost me more material!

What a great idea! One of a kind......different......

Applying TMcGoogle now makes perfect sense..........what would this world do with out it!

Concept is out now let's build it! Triad's getting back to me.....thought was to use either in ceiling Silver Sats, Bronze LCR's, or custom build Silver LCR's in an angled baffle. Minimum of 6" is required which is doable.

If Triad's conversation with Dolby suggests getting away without angled baffle, standard 4" in-wall Silver LCR's could be modified for ceiling.

Will figure logistics out on how to build with what material......glad someone has a creative mind since it's not me!
Glad you like the idea and think it will suit your needs. I'm just throwing this out there, but this inset will also allow you to add low-profile lights in the inset vs. inside the coffer. Or you could do both. But your fixture is shallow enough that it should work with a little proper planning you could install recessed task lighting directly above the seats and general lighting for the room itself....a 'clean-up' scene, if you will.

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Glad you like the idea and think it will suit your needs. I'm just throwing this out there, but this inset will also allow you to add low-profile lights in the inset vs. in inside the coffer. Or you could do both. But your fixture is shallow enough that it should work with a little proper planning and if you'd like to install recessed task lighting directly above the seats or simply general lighting for the room itself....a 'clean-up' scene, if you will.

Thanks for the creativity..............lots of flexibility with this style, more so if I had gone the traditional route of checkerboards.

Creativity is not my strong suit........I'm a numbers guy!
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After church started in room again fixing little odds and ends which I've been procrastinating all year to get to. Since my ceiling is at a standstill until I hear from Triad, I decided to pull front column by screen because last year I was in such a rush to finish room for home show, column was not plumb by 3/4 ". All year that column has drove me crazy but its perfect now.



JPA, if your reading post.......this column is on 10ft wall underneath soffit so it's actually 9 ft.....since KA 3/4 plywood is only 96" had to develop system to float column between top and bottom. Column is actually three separate pieces but design ended up helping dampen column.......no rattles whatsoever.

Here is photo of blocking system used top and bottom:



Column is attached with two screws on top and two on bottom plate......two blocks are screwed into wall/channels. Neopream sits between 3/4 plate and column.


On another note, I started in running cove moulding to hide transition from fabric channels to soffit bottom.



And I also played around with JPA' box-X design

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Well, if I told the truth, no one would believe me, so...
Well.......it can't be fish since both wife and mother-in-law hate the critters.

Luffsa? I know I butchered that spelling!
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So what's the word on ATMOS? The suspense, man. I can't take it.

Dude, are you made of leprechauns? Cause that was awesome!

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So what's the word on ATMOS? The suspense, man. I can't take it.
I'm as antsy as you!

Did receive an email from Steve Colburn at Triad and he requested a little more time due to wanting further clarification from Dolby. Evidently significant issues are still being worked out still such as finalizing fine technical details. So I've been promised a phone call when specifics are clarified and certain. As soon as I have information will post with Triads blessing. Gotta love a company going the extra mile for their customer base.

On a side note, received other information concerning Atmos but can not/ will not diverge info unless I have the messengers permission.
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One would think huh?

Na, it's respect for someone's private conversation and information. I suspect I will have permission to post since information could help others to mimic. It 's not my place to make judgement on passing private info.
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Well, I have permission from Roger to post information. Roger has posted similar information from another link here on AVS but from my understanding I believe updated version was emailed to me.

Format of attachment is in pdf and for some reason my computer vurus software wont let be get access to my email account. Was hoping to use snipet and post illustrations on what Roger is doing in his room. It was helpful for me to actually see someones plans to implement Dolby Atmos.

Hopefully, if for some reason I can't get access to files Roger sent and post in this thread, Roger could post illustrations for his room rendition for Dolby Atmos and reasoning behind it.

On Triad front, I'm still waiting for Triad to get back to me with further information. Depending on what is recommended by Triad will dictate how this coffered/ceiling cloud is constructed.
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I'll be interested to see what it looks like. Have you seen BrolicBeast's layout? Here's a link to the first post where he has it posted. It will be interesting to compare two ATMOS home layouts to see if they are similar or not.

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I'll be interested to see what it looks like. Have you seen BrolicBeast's layout? Here's a link to the first post where he has it posted. It will be interesting to compare two ATMOS home layouts to see if they are similar or not.
Yeah, I took a look......,how big is that guys room? Holy cow.......that guy isn't messing around.

Roger is implementing four "VOG" speakers which I plan to follow suit. I'm getting real antsy to let wood fly!

My ceiling cloud design hinges on what Triad comes up with..........at least speaker locations. Roger validated angled baffle of speaker is desirable so I'm feeling more comfortable with decision to implement DOLBY Atmos.........it will be interesting to see what Triad recommends.
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Updated my opening page.......room is actually starting to look like a theater. Can't wait to get started on ceiling cloud project!










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Thanks for complement......it's been a labor of love.
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You need a flash

But looks great anyways!

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But looks great anyways!
What, don't like my photography skills?

I turned lights down to 30% so rope lights could be seen. What's really cool, the Knotty Alder gives off a red-ish bronze tone which is hard to capture. My iPhone takes better pictures, but used my Sony Tablet to take these.

But I do see what you are saying, . BTW, took these pics specifically for you.
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Roger validated angled baffle of speaker is desirable so I'm feeling more comfortable with decision to implement DOLBY Atmos.........it will be interesting to see what Triad recommends.
Care to share what angles? I assume it varies based on which set of ceiling speakers - first row, second row, etc.
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Wow, truly beautiful, you should be proud!
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What, don't like my photography skills?

BTW, took these pics specifically for you.
I like your progress and theater better than your photo skills
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Thanks for complement.....

The easy part is done.......the hard part will be the ceiling cloud and one legged coffer!
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Care to share what angles? I assume it varies based on which set of ceiling speakers - first row, second row, etc.
T,

I have PDF along with angles.......problem is, my computer won't let me get to my email account so I could use snipet tool. Can't save or copy PDF from my phone or tablet. I'm trying to find a way to format on phone.

I'm working on it....

Here is a link to info Roger emailed me........I believe info is similar.



The official Dolby Atmos thread (home theater version)

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Rogers explanation:


My current rear surrounds are elevated 20 deg, and with the rear heights at 50, there's a 30 deg vertical spread, which I think is good. In the front the spread is 40 deg even though they are 10 lower on an absolute basis (the front L/R are at 0 deg elevation).

I do have the option of shifting the front heights forward, thus also giving me a 30-deg spread. To the rear seats, the elevation difference is almost nil, 17 vs 15 deg, so I only need think about the MLP here.

One thing I like about the original 40-deg position is that the ceiling cloud will reduce SBIR, whereas the 30-deg position has bare ceiling (and can floods) with about 1 ms extra path length, making a null at 500 Hz or thereabouts. Dolby (thru Denon) suggests they should be 30-55 deg elevation, so 40 seems the better option for that reason, too. I'll start there.


Hope this helps TMcGoogle.
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Yesterday, emailed my design plans from Erskine Group to Steve Colburn at Triad. We can all assume recommendations and placement will be based on current speaker locations and set up. Until then, have to find things to keep me busy in room.

Well, its back to sanding, pre-stain wood conditioner, sanding, staining, sanding, and finally shooting four coats of satin lacquer. Here is inventory being used for ceiling cloud:

60 LF 1 X 8. Knotty Alder
60 LF 1 X 6 Knotty Alder
60 LF 9/16 X 5-1/4 OG base
60 LF 9/16 X 3-1\4 OG base
60 LF 4-1/4 Crown
50 LF 1-1/4 X 1-1/4 cove

For now, at least I can have Knotty Alder ready for constuction while I wait for Triad. My design all depends on outcome from their recommendations, yet ultimately decision is mine.

Here is a mock up of light tray. Very similar to mock up you guys preferred yet now has 5-1/4" OG base which is not stained.


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