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Lol. I thought I was the only one that broke tools withing the return policy. Harbor freight knows my by first name, but all their crap breaks lol.
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Figured I could use this saw until it breaks down with in 30 days......then get my Dewalt.
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Put my 12 hours in today............had to hang projector for boss!!!

Framed rear and now will move forward toward screen. I can really see how this project is going to turn out great! Perfect timing for Atmos to come out..........made my decision on design easy!

Here's the days work..........believe me, this wood is something special......

At 5 AM, I started finishing of trim for rear soffit face. Had some difficult angles due to soffit corners not square.





Once done, I trimmed out bottom of leg to lock in verticals even though they were glued in place and nailed.









And the wife is happy.........she can watch her show tonight.


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Nice work DW!
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Nice work DW!
Thanks.......

How did you finish your coffers so quickly? I spent 12 hrs finishing back soffit and framed one leg, though the most difficult part of build.

Working by myself is difficult at times.......wife helps with measurements with long runs by I literally used my head nailing that ceiling beam up.

What a site.......nail gun in one hand, beam on my head and my wife asking me what to do!

Her only job was to make sure corner lined up before nailing!


Boy, can't wait for today's 13 ft beam............
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Thanks.......

How did you finish your coffers so quickly? I spent 12 hrs finishing back soffit and framed one leg, though the most difficult part of build.

Working by myself is difficult at times.......
I built the boxes on the floor and could align and pin the miters perfectly. From there the whole unit was simply lifted in position (with an extra set of hands) and pin nailed to the side of the strapping.

For your project, you should be able to build the inner vertical, the outer vertical, then insert the facing between the two verticals and secure. Then install your ceiling Ogee base and from there you can build two mitered crown boxes on the floor (one for the inner crown, one for the outer), lift into position and tack into place.

You do have to make sure your cuts are precise and that you are working square. I had the advantage of setting stops to replicate the same cuts again and again. You are building a single box dimension each time. I held each piece in position to verify fit before tacking the assembly together, of course.

It really took two people, so that's why I hired a guy with some skill to help. I couldn't imagine doing the larger coffer you have on my own.
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Getting ahead of myself here.......

Many may ask why inside of beam is plywood and not trim.........two things, weight and inside will not be seen due to fabric channels inside of cloud.

Speaking of inside of cloud, I've been in contact with Triad speakers finding a solution for speakers in an angled baffle. Modified Silver LCR's was suggested and has been done before. My only concern, the box would be almost 26" long and 13" wide........my thought was to use off the shelf Silvers and build my own ceiling bracket and attach to cloud framing........problem with that idea my vectors would fall short of where I need to be.

Roger Dressler suggested in-ceiling Bronze but discounted due to 8" depth requirement, but have since gone back to his suggestion and found a way to ink out another 3/4" for 8-1/4" total for cloud depth. I'm thinking by trimming out inside plywood with 3/4" cove to give as fore-mentioned more depth. Cove also adds another dimension to multi-levels which is a look I'm after.

Here is Triad's stock in-ceiling Bronze with dimensions 13 X 13" and 7-15/16's " depth.




Here are a few photos with added cove to inside of cloud...........my only concern is Will it look good not being at same level as 1 X 6 beam? What do you guys think......too much? Will it look good?


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I built the boxes on the floor and could align and pin the miters perfectly. From there the whole unit was simply lifted in position (with an extra set of hands) and pin nailed to the side of the strapping.

For your project, you should be able to build the inner vertical, the outer vertical, then insert the facing between the two verticals and secure. Then install your ceiling Ogee base and from there you can build two mitered crown boxes on the floor (one for the inner crown, one for the outer), lift into position and tack into place.

You do have to make sure your cuts are precise and that you are working square. I had the advantage of setting stops to replicate the same cuts again and again. You are building a single box dimension each time. I held each piece in position to verify fit before tacking the assembly together, of course.

It really took two people, so that's why I hired a guy with some skill to help. I couldn't imagine doing the larger coffer you have on my own.
Thought about method you mentioned, would be whole lot easier but my only help is wife and she really isn't strong enough for some of the lifting. Other issue I have, that 3/16th's inch reveal looks great but is a pain in the arse when working with dimentional lumber.........1 X8's are straight, but base 1 X 6's are another story.

I also ran into a small problem..........added clips in projector area created a situation where ceiling is not perfectly flat.......more manipulation of beam.....ugh!

Trim guy I'd love to hire is sooooooooooo buzy, he's not available until late Fall!

I'm going to change my methods......this time I'll build 1 X 8's and 1 X 6's on ground and have inside plywood up and nail flush which is easier than getting 3-16th" reveal on ladder while I hold 90% weight by myself.......wife gets the other 10%.
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I also ran into a small problem..........added clips in projector area created a situation where ceiling is not perfectly flat.......more manipulation of beam.....ugh!
Well, you did ask how I did it so fast! The secret is that second person who can also operate a nail gun and a saw! You need to get the big, strapping son of yours out to help dear 'ol Dad for an afternoon!

Regarding the above. I had one of these anomalies in my ceiling. All I did was hold my molding level with the ceiling and used a compass to get a scribe line. I then cut it with a jigsaw and tested the fit. The jigsaw cut didn't have to be pretty because it was being covered by crown molding.
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Well, you did ask how I did it so fast! The secret is that second person who can also operate a nail gun and a saw! You need to get the big, strapping son of yours out to help dear 'ol Dad for an afternoon!

Regarding the above. I had one of these anomalies in my ceiling. All I did was hold my molding level with the ceiling and used a compass to get a scribe line. I then cut it with a jigsaw and tested the fit. The jigsaw cut didn't have to be pretty because it was being covered by crown molding.
You are the master builder!

I thought of the very same thing............for a second! If you notice, I'm using 5-1/4" OG base molding to hide any gaps. I anticipated wah's but since not a lot of weight, figured 1/8 th to 3/16th's was acceptable. Don't call me a master builder............as long as it looks good from the outside. . Besides, 1 X 2's will be glued and screwed from inside so was factor in my decision.

BTW, you're going to cringe when I post the next few pics. I gapped inside plywood 1/4" so I can move verts when putting up 1 X 8's and 1 X 6's of Knotty Alder. When you're essentially by yourself.......a mans gotta do what a man's gotta do!

By the way, I'd love to have my Son's help........but he is soooooooo busy with grad school, coaching Summer baseball, football weight conditioning, working another job and his girlfriend which I call his ball and chain!
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Coffee break!

Mornings work:





Yeah, cringe T......it's a 1/4" gap!



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turn those lights down and change your camera settings to a "candlelight" setting or sunset mode.
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Looking great. Keep up the awesome work!
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turn those lights down and change your camera settings to a "candlelight" setting or sunset mode.
Man, there is just no love for DW's photo skills (or lack thereof.) But what there might lack in quality, the contents certainly make up for it. I am definitely saving a copy of these photos and filing them along with Tim's for a great reference. Awesome progress.

Edit: And you are a braver man than I doing that work with the projector up.
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Man, there is just no love for DW's photo skills (or lack thereof.) But what there might lack in quality, the contents certainly make up for it. I am definitely saving a copy of these photos and filing them along with Tim's for a great reference. Awesome progress.

sorry my comments came across a bit stronger than I intended.
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Looking great. Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks.......

I did state a two week deadline......

If this project turns out half as good as your ceiling, I'll be happy!
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Man, there is just no love for DW's photo skills (or lack thereof.) But what there might lack in quality, the contents certainly make up for it. I am definitely saving a copy of these photos and filing them along with Tim's for a great reference. Awesome progress.

Edit: And you are a braver man than I doing that work with the projector up.

Wow.........the best compliment......someone's referencing my work!

Thanks.......

BTW, as far as my photo skills.......or art skills for that matter........I'll blame it on that stupid '58 Studebacker that almost killed me in my youth and left me brain damaged......hence no artistic skills. Can you tell?

Well my math/engineering skills are fine........not so much in artistic realm!


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sorry my comments came across a bit stronger than I intended.
No biggie......you're the second person to notice my lack of photography skills.
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No biggie......you're the second person to notice my lack of photography skills.
shoot with light to your back or if you're going to shoot into light use the flash

thanks! theater looks terrific!
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Special problems..........take extra ordinary measures!!!!!

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Done early........only turned in 8 hours today. Darn Prius went through a third round of tires.......sitting at tire shop for two hours........no fun. 45,000 miles on 80,000 warranty tire equates to over spending......at least I received 15% back.

Anyhow, enough of my jabberwocky...........second beam is up.

My change in construction technique was much easier! Gluing, nailing, and putting clamps down on 1 X 8 and 1 X 6was soooo much easier. Sure glad I put up inside verts up first. Just nailed 1 X 8 moving down line, changed to 1-1/2" nails then nailed plywood vert.......easy as pie!




3/16th shims are your friend for preparing reveal on 1 X 6! Used clamps to take out bow and clamped down 1 X 6 to less movement. Glue 1 X 8 edge, sit on shims..........clamp down......nail and let glue set.



Base 1 X 6 was one 12'8" piece but 1 X8' only comes in 10 ft boards so second section added more time in process......just waiting on smaller piece for glue to set.






You'll notice markings on ceiling.........those are for 5-1/4 OG base that gets glued and nailed to ceiling. With added weight, don't want to ruin integrity of channels by nailing into them.





Photo of inside plywood vert........used small bar to pull down flush nail........done.
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Yes it is....

Alder has so many qualities.....easy to stain, is forgiving ie won't split with screws and nails......but the special quality is reflected light it gives off. Fruitwood stain is a brownish with a tinge of red stain......it's really an Alder specific stain which brings out soft red hues. With rope light on.......well, the wood is absolutely gorgeous! Anyone who wants a nice red under tone with a tinge of metallic bronze......this wood is for you!

I'm really happy how it's all coming together....
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Great progress while the projector is up and running....I think that's some sort of world record! Top work!
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Great progress while the projector is up and running....I think that's some sort of world record! Top work!

Or an example of stupidity on my behalf!

When I start with decorative trim around projector area.......it's most definitely coming down.
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Well......

If your going to stuff legs of coffers, put insulation during installation of legs........makes life easier. Didn't do that......figured I'd use my old method of using graphite steelhead rod to stuff.

So...... I cut R-13 15" wide Owens Corning insulation but 1/2 width was just too much. Due to my stubborn ways.......I just continued to stuff a 10 ft run of leg insulation..........upon pulling rod out, I broke the tip of a $300 fishing rod!

Stupid is.....as stupid does!

Halfway done with insulation.......





Still waiting on glue to set on leg parallel to screen. Will have all framing done today for ceiling cloud and will start trimming out including crown.

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Long day........15 hours straight just a phone call break....

Goal was to finish framing..........mission accomplished.

Shower time an a movie.........










Rummy moment of day.......nailed in middle beam across 1st row seating and realized I forgot to fill with R-13. Torn it out, filled in with insulation and even receive a few woords from misses......definitely a bad moment!!
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You are a machine! Looks great! The bright side to breaking your rod is now you can just go watch a movie instead of going fishing
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Dude, are you made of leprechauns? Cause that was awesome!

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