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Originally Posted by Craig Peer Need and want are 2 different things. I didn't need 11 speakers ( over my previous 7 ), but I like it a lot more. I don't need a 2nd subwoofer either - but it's on it way !!

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For me to put 11 speakers in, I would probably need to have a new processor since the Classe SSP-800 is only 10 Channels including the subs. In addition I don' think I can afford to add four more 802D.

Moving from 7.1 to 11.1 ( or .2 ) is a " chicken and the egg " sort of thing. I wouldn't have thought about doing it, crawling in the 110 degree F attic running new speaker wires, if I hadn't already bought a new Denon 4520 receiver. I didn't necessarily buy the 4520 for 11.2, I bought it for the Audyssey XT32. Of course, once I had the ability to have an 11.2 system, well, it was only a matter of time. smile.gif

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I am getting an oppo 103 and have heard different answers about whether it will pass the DTS Neo:X signal to a receiver. Has anyone in this forum tried it with The Expendables II?

No movie is recorded in "DTS NEO:x "..it is not a surround format. It is post processing applied by the AV receiver. The Expendables II is a DTS HD Master Audio 7.1 soundtrack on the Blu Ray...just like a ton of other Blu Ray movies.




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Home audio receivers equipped with DTS Neo:X offer entertainment consumers an unprecedented multi-dimensional audio experience by optimizing 5.1 or 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio™ soundtracks for a full 11.1 experience. DTS Neo:X technology enabled on films, such as The Expendables 2, delivers a high intensity audio experience that truly elevates the 3D home entertainment experience to a new level.


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I wouldn't hesitate to buy an Oppo BDP 103 - it's an excellent Blu Ray player.I'm still using my BDP 83 Oppo !!

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I am getting an oppo 103 and have heard different answers about whether it will pass the DTS Neo:X signal to a receiver. Has anyone in this forum tried it with The Expendables II?

Any Blu-ray player capable of bitstreaming the DTS-MA codec will work with the Expendables II soundtrack. The DTS Neo:X "information" is matrix encoded on the 7.1 channel track. There are no "special" added channels outside of the official Blu-ray specs.

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No movie is recorded in "DTS NEO:x "..it is not a surround format. It is post processing applied by the AV receiver.
There are 3 movies on Blu-ray recorded in DTS Neo:X. Neo:X can be surround processing OR matrix decoding, depending on source. With most sources it will be used as surround processing (blind upmixing). With Neo:X encoded sources, it is a decoder (it extracts the height and wide channels that the mixer encoded into the soundtrack).

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There are 3 movies on Blu-ray recorded in DTS Neo:X. Neo:X can be surround processing OR matrix decoding, depending on source. With most sources it will be used as surround processing (blind upmixing). With Neo:X encoded sources, it is a decoder (it extracts the height and wide channels that the mixer encoded into the soundtrack).
What movies? I bet they are something that I could care less to watch.


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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View PostMoving from 7.1 to 11.1 ( or .2 ) is a " chicken and the egg " sort of thing. I wouldn't have thought about doing it, crawling in the 110 degree F attic running new speaker wires, if I hadn't already bought a new Denon 4520 receiver. I didn't necessarily buy the 4520 for 11.2, I bought it for the Audyssey XT32. Of course, once I had the ability to have an 11.2 system, well, it was only a matter of time. smile.gif

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What movies? I bet they are something that I could care less to watch.

Yep.

http://www.dts.com/consumers/entertainment-audio/new-releases.aspx?q=Movies&at=f44a2081e2bb42718beef1d0a2440475#recentReleases


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What movies? I bet they are something that I could care less to watch.
Then don't worry about which movies they are.

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There are 3 movies on Blu-ray recorded in DTS Neo:X. Neo:X can be surround processing OR matrix decoding, depending on source. With most sources it will be used as surround processing (blind upmixing). With Neo:X encoded sources, it is a decoder (it extracts the height and wide channels that the mixer encoded into the soundtrack).
So when there are actually 11.1 soundtracks the oppo will still bitstream them?
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So when there are actually 11.1 soundtracks the oppo will still bitstream them?
You'd have to ask Oppo; though by the time there are discrete 11.1 soundtracks on the market, Oppo might have introduced newer disc players anyway.

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Doesn't HDMI 2.0 allow for up to 16 channels of audio output?


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So when there are actually 11.1 soundtracks the oppo will still bitstream them?
Current BD players can technically deliver 11.1 via Auro-3D, TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. But not as PCM.

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Doesn't HDMI 2.0 allow for up to 16 channels of audio output?

32 channel audio support:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_2.0


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Then don't worry about which movies they are.

ok......I would still probably watch them just to hear the audio though.


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Cool but none of them decode them as of now!


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32 channel audio support:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_2.0

Ok.. Even better!


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hey to all.

Let me first start by stating that my system consists of the Denon 4520, and 11.2 audio. As my living room may not have been the best for the speaker placement. It does sound pretty good. Of course it does depends on which blu ray disc is being played.

I'm trying to figure out how i'd go about adding 1,2,3 4,5, (at least 1 anyways) speaker(s) over head. Not sure if adding to the front heights. Maybe with a some type of delay. Or stealing something from the sides. I don't know.

I've been reading through some of the pages here. Seems like i'm not alone. Ya, just upgrade the Denon via usb port adding 2 new channels. Making some type of dolby atmos hybrid.

I really don't know. Its I see a few of these home theater pictures that are posted from time to time. And I see sometimes people have a few speakers running down the center of the ceiling. (voice of god).

I'm sure that just adding speakers, stealing from front heights, or front wides or rears is not the way to go. Might even be worse than doing nothing. Or adding some type of capacitor to the ones I add up top to remove the bass. It might add more crackle to lightning effects etc etc bla bla bla....

Or is there some type of processor that I can run front heights, rear sides, into and create a new type of upper channel.....

I should have stayed in school....

I have 4 yrs to get this right. My daughters room becomes my H/T when she moves out....Its 17' x 25' And all block walls....I know that technology wont change any by then......
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Why do you want more speakers than the 11.2 you have now? Are you trying to have 2 speakers in place of one, per channel ( like 2 left height speakers instead of one )?

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If you are looking for an Atmos speaker position, it would be a stereo pair located just under the thirds, meaning if your row of seats is 12 feet wide you would mount the speakers a bit more than 4 feet in from each side. One stereo array goes above each row of seating you have. HERE is a link to Dolby Atmos professional cinema's technical guidelines.

But this also doesn't take into account the external DSP processing you would need to make something work. And without discrete content, the amount of benefit would be limited at best IMHO. Just love your system the way it is now!
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Ya, just upgrade the Denon via usb port adding 2 new channels. Making some type of dolby atmos hybrid.
Ain't gonna happen. Will have to be a new receiver to do what you're describing.

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That's a new one on me !

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Hi TMcG,

Thanks for the Atmos link - the speaker placement info is very concise and useful - it even mentions a baffle wall set up and how the speaker components should be angled.

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But this also doesn't take into account the external DSP processing you would need to make something work. And without discrete content, the amount of benefit would be limited at best IMHO. Just love your system the way it is now!

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i'll just say WOW
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That's a new one on me !


If the Powers At Denon put some thought into it. I bet they could find a way to create some type of mini processor that would attach via usb, maybe the denon link too, attaching the front height, the rear sides, and create some new channel just for top center. Maybe 2 sets up top. Call them the Rain Speakers.

Hey, you heard it here first. maybe second, ......................................................................................3rd. The atmos Hybrid....15.2

Who knows maybe someone at Denon just said. "wow, great idea"
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Maybe. But I'm finding 11.1 channels sounds just great as it is. Hell, I haven't even had them all going for hardly 6 months yet.................. smile.gif

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Been so busy at work/kids/yada-yada, been a while since I've posted.
Here's an update to my 130" diag Scope HT (or UltraWide or 2.35:1 or ??) - full 11.3 via Denon 4520CI + Emotiva amp, and added fronts/wides for 11 mains/center/surrounds and 3 subs for LFE give a 11.3 set-up
(I have the IB 4 x 15" line array on Sub1 and both 18" and 15" SI cubes on Sub2, so technically a 11.2 I guess from a processor viewpoint).
Those 18" and 15" SI drivers in sealed cab's along front wall and side wall help flatten the in room response in my 2 row, 8 seat, 11.3 HT.

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What do you use for playback of Blu-ray?

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Moving from 7.1 to 11.1 ( or .2 ) is a " chicken and the egg " sort of thing. I wouldn't have thought about doing it, crawling in the 110 degree F attic running new speaker wires, if I hadn't already bought a new Denon 4520 receiver. I didn't necessarily buy the 4520 for 11.2, I bought it for the Audyssey XT32. Of course, once I had the ability to have an 11.2 system, well, it was only a matter of time. smile.gif

I'm getting my Denon 4520 shortly, Craig. I have the Denon 3313 in my main home theater room now, and it won't do height and wide speakers at the same time, nor DTS Neo:X. When I remodeled my home theater room recently, I wired for both wide and height, and I've had to choose between the two. My remodel all but eliminated the possibility of doing rear surrounds, so the 9 amps in the 4520 will suffice. smile.gif I've toyed with separate amps a bit, but I'm so incredibly happy with the sound of the Denon receivers I've owned in the past that I have no desire to go that route.

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Moving from 7.1 to 11.1 ( or .2 ) is a " chicken and the egg " sort of thing. I wouldn't have thought about doing it, crawling in the 110 degree F attic running new speaker wires, if I hadn't already bought a new Denon 4520 receiver. I didn't necessarily buy the 4520 for 11.2, I bought it for the Audyssey XT32. Of course, once I had the ability to have an 11.2 system, well, it was only a matter of time. smile.gif

I'm getting my Denon 4520 shortly, Craig. I have the Denon 3313 in my main home theater room now, and it won't do height and wide speakers at the same time, nor DTS Neo:X. When I remodeled my home theater room recently, I wired for both wide and height, and I've had to choose between the two. My remodel all but eliminated the possibility of doing rear surrounds, so the 9 amps in the 4520 will suffice. smile.gif I've toyed with separate amps a bit, but I'm so incredibly happy with the sound of the Denon receivers I've owned in the past that I have no desire to go that route.

congrats Joesph on soon having your 4520 biggrin.gif , mine 11 months old and looking fwd to at least 5+ years of use from it in the HT.
Mine is 24/7 on DTS Neo:X mode wide/height , watched Battle LA last night on bluray, sounded great.
>>The LFE on some of those scenes is classic! Decent story also.

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congrats Joesph on soon having your 4520 biggrin.gif , mine 11 months old and looking fwd to at least 5+ years of use from it in the HT.
Mine is 24/7 on DTS Neo:X mode wide/height , watched Battle LA last night on bluray, sounded great.
>>The LFE on some of those scenes is classic! Decent story also.

I'm really looking forward to trying DTS Neo:X. I've been using Audyssey wides almost exclusively, because they fill in a "hole" between the mains and surrounds, but I appreciate what heights can do. It's frustrating not being able to experience both at the same time. My 4520 should be fully configured in 2-3 weeks.

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