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Closeup of the SR speakers:

Standing on soft Sonic Design feet. Could be the first installation with these speakers on these feet, at least the speaker designer hadn't heard of it before.
Overkill.

Some experimentation with cheap drapes before trying for something that costs more per square foot....

I'm staring to believe my wife wants to invite the Twin Peaks-dward by requesting red drapes...

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Congratulations on a great build Nightlord!
You have many unique features and ideas, the surround speakers look sweet and I'm sure they are amazing performers.
I have been subscribed for a while but kept in the background admiring your work.
I'll be looking to carry out my own build once my house is finished construction. Well, once its constructed it will be deconstructed!
At least in the home theater/game room area.
Once again congratulations on your efforts.
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Thanks, I'm very pleased with it myself too. Just stopped in the middle of 'Olympus has fallen' due to hunger, but it's been great. If Atmos can make it more immersive, then bring it on I say.

Not sure I need a larger screen than this... Has to be thought about.

Two slices of pizza downed, now for some whisky, +3dB and the remainder of the movie.

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Two slices of pizza downed, now for some whisky, +3dB and the remainder of the movie.
That line made me laugh, you have a great sense of humor, in line with my own British (I'm not European)
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I think once you decide to add Atmos as receivers become available with more than the current 11 channel maximum, not including Trinnov, you will be very pleased with the results.
The work you have done with regards to acoustics will pay dividends IMHO.
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Do note that I didn't mean 3dB above REF, I meant 3dB more than before. As I haven't re-measured if, I can't be sure what the old numbers actually mean. I anticipate it to play louder than what the AVR indicates, but no idea how much.

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Do note that I didn't mean 3dB above REF, I meant 3dB more than before. As I haven't re-measured if, I can't be sure what the old numbers actually mean. I anticipate it to play louder than what the AVR indicates, but no idea how much.
I was gonna say . . .

I was in a theater once (dlbeck's) and he played it at or above reference level. Wow
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I was gonna say . . .

I was in a theater once (dlbeck's) and he played it at or above reference level. Wow
Well, system should be quite capable of doing it, but I don't think it'll have much use besides demo moments, I'm not into whispering actors shouting at me. . Music on the other hand....

But before re-calibration I won't be doing any stunts.. I haven't been much above 100dB(c) in listening position so far.

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Bought more of the velour cloth so now I have completed coverage to the same degree as per my computer visualisations, with the difference that the front surrounds don't go behind anymore as the room got narrower. More stuff moved out - or behind the drapes.

Buying a new mic for the Denon is out of the question, it's both not a standard spare anymore, and the price they asedk for it last time they sold one was ridicolous. I'll keep tidying up and hope I find it, otherwise I'll ask kindly on the Swedish forum if anyone will lend me one a little while.

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Here's a reverse shot from today. 28mm lens not quite up to the task,


And with the added drapes from today I can take a pic from way back too:


Don't think I'll have much more to show in here until I've done something different with the lighting or so... so this is as finished at it will get in a while.

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Room looks great!!!

BTW, pizza and whiskey?

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Room looks great!!!

BTW, pizza and whiskey?

No, not whiskey - whisky. Quite a different beverage. Did not consume the two together, though. Pizza first, whisky afterwards.

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No, not whiskey - whisky. Quite a different beverage. Did not consume the two together, though. Pizza first, whisky afterwards.
It's okay to have whiskey mixed with Pepsi with pizza. I do this from time to time. But yeah, whisky would make more sense to drink afterwards
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whiskey mixed with Pepsi
Is that a case of when two wrongs make a right?

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Is that a case of when two wrongs make a right?
Lol.

I'm not too proud to mix some whiskey with pepsi. I wouldn't do it with a nice Scotch or anything real expensive.
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Lol.

I'm not too proud to mix some whiskey with pepsi. I wouldn't do it with a nice Scotch or anything real expensive.
Scotch isn't whiskey, it's whisky. Whiskey is American or Irish.

(Personally I'd rather mix a cola with rum.)

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Started straightening up/cleaning the back room and already on the first day I found the mic for the Denon, so now I have re-measured the six positions that XT allows be too (all five seats and middle inbetween the two back seats) and it sounds better now than with the old calibration.

To make myself unpopular with the Audyssey crowd, it sounds better in both 'roomeq:flat' and with room-eq off than with Audyssey on. Audyssey gave dialogue a light touch of "in a tin can" (Bond: Quantum of Solace).

I do expect XT32 to do a better job, but my avr doesn't have more than XT.

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Started straightening up/cleaning the back room and already on the first day I found the mic for the Denon, so now I have re-measured the six positions that XT allows be too (all five seats and middle inbetween the two back seats) and it sounds better now than with the old calibration.

To make myself unpopular with the Audyssey crowd, it sounds better in both 'roomeq:flat' and with room-eq off than with Audyssey on. Audyssey gave dialogue a light touch of "in a tin can" (Bond: Quantum of Solace).

I do expect XT32 to do a better job, but my avr doesn't have more than XT.
No flogging by me using Audyssey flat...........so do I.....though I might use a whisKY bottle on ya........
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Scotch isn't whiskey, it's whisky. Whiskey is American or Irish.

(Personally I'd rather mix a cola with rum.)
That is what I meant THE FIRST TIME!

Anywho, I like the progress on your theater. I know very little about audio, so I enjoy pretending to follow along
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You're most welcome to join the ride. Ask anything... and if you know it's forum-inflammatory questions - use PM.

Will be showing Lord of the Rings (part 1 - extended version) for my daughter and one of her friends this evening.

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Just realized I haven't been getting your updates...since you were painting the 2x2 ceiling! So amazing progress!

OK my friend, lets cut to the chase. I believe the movie was War of the Worlds that closed the curtains and initiated a reboot on your build. Time to get it out and see if the neighbours get nervous. I suppose, given the political climate over their, it could be considered cruel not to give them a heads up. Hopefully your dedication and hard work has resulted in the sound staying inside a little more!

So what single malt did you select for the preview?

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That's odd!

I have some measuring and tweaking in the bass crossover, ELF-boost circuitry and I probably have some wrong settings in the Denon as well, writing this I realise I must check if it's sending all bass through sub out or not - I don't want that - I want fullrange to fronts and just .1 through sub channel.

It was my 30(+?) yo Mortlach 1970.

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Was to go to the Opera today, but the town is flooded, myself I had at the deepest a foot of water on the outside of my garden wall, so we didn't go.

So I've measured and trimmed the infra-filter today.

RT60 (caveat, I know room is to small for the normal definition of it) is just a fraction below 200ms - and that's a full 60dBdecay, not extrapolated.

Background noice is 30dB(A)/40dB(C) and it does not change when proj is turned on even if I can hear it in a dead quite room. If looked at brokenup into a few frequency ranges, it's mostly high but below hearing threshold, over the threshold the different ranges stay around 21-24dB (weighting unknown).

I'm happy with the results, but I understand if other have stricted demands.

I don't have an app for getting RT60 at different frequencies, I would have liked to see that myself.

Have played some music loud too, played Jamie Woon "Night Air" at REF+3 ( no typo) and it was quite nice. Db-meeter said the average (at about ten feets distance) was 108dB and it signalled overload in the peaks as it can only handle 120dB. Music still perfectly clean and enjoyable. Bass amp got a bit hotter with the infra lift (all the way down to DC) active, the subwoofers make about a 3.7ohm load.

Soundproofing is working, at these levels it's definitely the external door that is the main issue, so making an 'airlock' there with a 35-40dB rated inner door will probably be all I ever need. *knock on wood*

Next job will probably be to solder some bananas onto real cable instead of what the rack currently is connected with...

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mmmm I've never had older than an 18 year old...uh, Scotch. I just came back from a wedding. They had a few out...suitable for nail polish removeal. Mortlach is from my favorite district. Is it aged in Sherry casks?

Sooo the soundproofing worked enough to make the rebuild worth the @$@#$?

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Yes, that Mortlach is a very heavily sherried whisky. Bought it to have a 30yo for my 30th birthday and the first years I only had a dram each birthday, but now when it's nearing the end, I drink it for other occassions as well so it won't oxidize to death.

The soundproofing is doing what I set out to do with the rebuild, so yes I'm happy.

Soldered a couple of better cables than I'd connected the rack with temporarily, but I ran out of bananas (Yes, we have no bananas...) after two, so I have a bunch left to do once I get hold of more.

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Finished soldering bananas... (Forgot to check if they were ecological...) ...so now all the amps are connected to the terminals on the wall with proper cable. (Supra PLY 3.4, which I doubt very many on AVS have ever heard of)


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Did you come back to this thread for peace and quiet?
No HDCP 2.2 discussion over here, you'll be ready for another whisky soon
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No HDCP 2.2 discussion over here, you'll be ready for another whisky soon
Haha. No, in this thread there won't be any new AVR until HDCP 2.2 is properly out. Processor is 8 years old by now, another 2-3 years will not be an issue. And should anything happen to it, I've got a Krell as backup.

Yes, it's soon 10pm here so it's getting close to my evening dram.

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Especially for the Canadian readers: You have many very talented lady singers/musicians, they are quite over-represented in my music collection, but if I have to pick one (sorry Celine, you don't stand a chance here) it would be Loreena McKennitt. Just saw 45 minutes of her live concert at Alhambra, Spain on DVD in my cinema... And even if it is not the best 5.1 concert mix, I actually caught myself applauding one of the songs.

And for reference - I have heard her live before she really got a big audience, so small a concert that you could actually buy tickets on the way in, and we had small tables by the seats with burning candles on them. and she performed all songs from the last album ( the Visit ) and all the best from before that.... with a break in the middle as the concert was double length compared to many others. One of the best things I've done in my life to be there, I think.

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somewhat off topic - we were in a rental car for a plant visit yesterday and the XM Radio had it's very own channel for Canadian music XD
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Especially for the Canadian readers: You have many very talented lady singers/musicians, they are quite over-represented in my music collection, but if I have to pick one (sorry Celine, you don't stand a chance here) it would be Loreena McKennitt. Just saw 45 minutes of her live concert at Alhambra, Spain on DVD in my cinema... And even if it is not the best 5.1 concert mix, I actually caught myself applauding one of the songs.

And for reference - I have heard her live before she really got a big audience, so small a concert that you could actually buy tickets on the way in, and we had small tables by the seats with burning candles on them. and she performed all songs from the last album ( the Visit ) and all the best from before that.... with a break in the middle as the concert was double length compared to many others. One of the best things I've done in my life to be there, I think.
I haven't even seen her live! But I love her voice...and music.

Some one that is getting a lot of air time now (seems to play during my drive to AND from work) is First Aid Box, "Waitress Song" from someplace called Sweden. Lovely voice!

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