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Tim I would love to learn how to do that when the time comes!!!
Learn what? Vacuum press?

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all of it the finishing and so on
For vacuum press youtube is a great resource. I found a few good videos on that. Amazing what the weight of 100 miles of atmosphere can do. It's literally tons of pressure!

For finishing- I assume you mean like stains/clears/wood dyes and such ?
I have a couple things you might like, PM incoming.

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Yes and since I live about 2 hours from Tim and an extra set of hands come in handy at times. If we can arange our schedules I know he is on the road alot.
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Yes and since I live about 2 hours from Tim and an extra set of hands come in handy at times. If we can arange our schedules I know he is on the road alot.
2 hours away?? Can't that Mustang make it in just over an 1 hour?

I have been hoarding a bunch of Amazon gift cards that I received as gifts from Christmas, etc. and I will be putting them toward one of the new 4K GoPro cameras. The plan is to add video content for a number of the building / finishing tasks for those who may be interested. The camera also has integrated time lapse features I am thinking about using for certain portions of the build-out for pure entertainment value - like skinning the room with OSB or running the hundreds of individual fiber optic strands for the star ceiling.
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2 hours away?? Can't that Mustang make it in just over an 1 hour?

I have been hoarding a bunch of Amazon gift cards that I received as gifts from Christmas, etc. and I will be putting them toward one of the new 4K GoPro cameras. The plan is to add video content for a number of the building / finishing tasks for those who may be interested. The camera also has integrated time lapse features I am thinking about using for certain portions of the build-out for pure entertainment value - like skinning the room with OSB or running the hundreds of individual fiber optic strands for the star ceiling.
My son had a go pro and a wild life camera he used for his house build. The Go Pro was on a small drone he purchased so he would do fly overs about once a week. The camera was mounted high on a tree. It was neat after the house was finished to watch 5 months of build go by in about 10 mins. If you are on face book and interested I will look for the link and have him share it. He is a cyber defender for DOD and needless to say his securty settings on face book and his home network are tight.
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Any updates?

I've been researching HVLP since we last talked about it here. Thought you might be interested in what I've come up with.

I'm still pretty set on the 3-stage Fuji HVLP. I think it's a solid investment.

In the meantime though, I have some small pieces I need to paint and I can't see spending the $$$ on Fuji until I actually need the horsepower.

Enter the mini gun. mfusick's 3-gun set includes one but I wanted something a little better. I came across the Astro HVLP mini gun. It will spray on 4cfm and has a fan pattern about 5" wide. It is also precision machined. *No gaskets*. It gets great reviews on the forums and it's only $80.

Perfect for what I need right now. I have some molding I milled and a few 12" deep shelves to paint. Thinking back.. Imagine the waste painting 4" trim with a 12" fan (eg painting trim that is already applied to a door frame).

The Fuji mini gun is over $300 (just the gun, you need the turbine), so I think I would use the turbine and full size gun for bigger pieces (or where you could line up trim side-by-side) and use this $80 piece for smaller stuff.

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Based on advice from MM in the DIY screen section, Fixing my 130" DIY curved screen: going from DW Laminate to some painted/cloth screen , I got this
http://www.gleempaint.com/noname.html, not sure if it's available today or what not, it was value priced ... honestly I never used it, got busy with other projects, though I may "fix" my screen this summer ...


On Amazon also, got good review but out of stock now, got mine in 2011 ..
http://www.amazon.com/Factory-Recond...ef=pd_sxp_f_pt

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Yeah I have that sprayer. Don't regret the $50 but it is going downhill. I did spend another $30 for the 1.3mm needle. I got my theater out of it, so I got my monies worth.

The mini gun would be a good addition to this as well.

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Any updates?
No theater updates, but I have been busy doing laps around North America for work and my spare time at home has been consumed with a complete master bedroom update This side-project is courtesy of my wife and somehow found its way to the top of my honey-do list. It involves a new gas fireplace with marble hearth and wood mantle, 6 zones of lighting, a new ceiling fan, a bunch of different moldings (including crown), a 50" flat panel, in-wall speakers, new window treatments, paint...and maybe new carpet. And while we were in destruction mode, I cut a 48.50" swath from the center of the master bedroom wall that adjoins the nursery so we could insulate the wall and reduce noise between the rooms. I can post a little project summary once things are wrapped up for all you construction junkies, similar to what I did for the coffered ceiling and nursery.

Thanks for the other HVLP information. I own a cheap 'Paint Zoom' that I bought refurbished for $45 to use for the nursery. It did OK...but it certainly had its issues. The most annoying is that it would occasionally splatter larger drops of paint while spraying. Thankfully I had enough Flotrol in the mix that the splatters laid flat before drying, but it's certainly not a precision tool.

My neighbor has an Earlex HV5500 sprayer he's offered up on loan if I wanted. Seems like a pretty nice unit and probably sufficient for my needs. I just worry that for the amount of time I would need it I would be 'overstaying my welcome' with his generous offer.
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Why do wife's always mess up our theater building plans?

Last year for me was, "Please build 6 raised beds.......................................... NOW!!!!" before I could tackle my ceiling!
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Thanks for the other HVLP information. I own a cheap 'Paint Zoom' that I bought refurbished for $45 to use for the nursery. It did OK...but it certainly had its issues. The most annoying is that it would occasionally splatter larger drops of paint while spraying. Thankfully I had enough Flotrol in the mix that the splatters laid flat before drying, but it's certainly not a precision tool.

My neighbor has an Earlex HV5500 sprayer he's offered up on loan if I wanted. Seems like a pretty nice unit and probably sufficient for my needs. I just worry that for the amount of time I would need it I would be 'overstaying my welcome' with his generous offer.
Haha I feel your pain with the splatter. I had that happen a few times. Mostly when paint was running low.

5500 looks decent but a Ford cup time of 160 seconds? Holy moly! You would definitely need a smaller (much smaller) nozzle for stain and poly.

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That's problem with full size graco sprayer I have - it will swallow a gallon of paint in a couple minutes.
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Hey @TMcG , are you going to do a home-run straight from your sub to your panel? I was thinking yesterday whether I should put outlets on all the circuits run yesterday, or if I should leave some to be terminated in whatever connection is required by my "one piece of equipment per circuit" gear.
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Hey @TMcG , are you going to do a home-run straight from your sub to your panel? I was thinking yesterday whether I should put outlets on all the circuits run yesterday, or if I should leave some to be terminated in whatever connection is required by my "one piece of equipment per circuit" gear.
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Why are you asking Tim ?

He's not even going to finish his theater.

Or is this a trick question ?
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Why are you asking Tim ?

He's not even going to finish his theater.

Or is this a trick question ?
Ouch.
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Why are you asking Tim ?

He's not even going to finish his theater.

Or is this a trick question ?
But at least he's started one....
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But at least he's started one....
Hey, he "..almost started a build thread..."

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Hey @TMcG , are you going to do a home-run straight from your sub to your panel? I was thinking yesterday whether I should put outlets on all the circuits run yesterday, or if I should leave some to be terminated in whatever connection is required by my "one piece of equipment per circuit" gear.
I wanted protection for all of my equipment, including all the heavy amplifiers, so I am taking a different approach by using an isolation transformer. The Richard Gray Powerhouse will sit on its own double pull 60 amp circuit to pull 240 volts from the panel using heavy duty 6/3 wire. The isolation transformer steps down the voltage to 120v and provides 20 separate 20 amp receptacles on the back of the unit. The Powerhouse has a current reserve of 6000 watts to handle any sudden current needs that exceed the capacitance built into the amplifiers. EVERYTHING will plug into this single isolation transformer.

You can't go wrong with one circuit per amp, but as I've said before, that's overkill vs. actual current draws if you were to meter the connection. You can protect everything on your panel using an Environmental Potentials EP-2050 you can purchase through Nyal Mellor. The one thing to think about is that there is no isolation for what's on the panel from other circuits, so you may be more prone to hearing clicks and pops from other electrical circuits in the house coming through your amplifier. And one last word of advice given to me by Nyal....but all of your theater circuits on the same 120v leg inside your electrical panel to reduce any difference in ground potential (i.e. hum). When you get into the panel you'll see 1/2 the circuits run on one leg of the 240v feed (to give 120v) and the other half on the other leg.
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Just curious, why the Powerhouse over one of the solutions from Torus or Equitech?

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Just curious, why the Powerhouse over one of the solutions from Torus or Equitech?
I used a 5 kVA Exactpower PowerCore rackmount transformer (now owned by Middle Atlantic) for this same purpose. All equipment in my room (including 2 1 kW JBL powered subs) plugs into this, and it works great.
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I used a 5 kVA Exactpower PowerCore rackmount transformer (now owned by Middle Atlantic) for this same purpose. All equipment in my room (including 2 1 kW JBL powered subs) plugs into this, and it works great.
That looks like a solid piece of equipment. Did you get the fan issues figured out?

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That looks like a solid piece of equipment. Did you get the fan issues figured out?
My fan issue is with the Tripp-Lite UPS upstream from the Exactpower. It turns out the fan noise is a feature of the Tripp-Lite UPS I have, so I am moving UPS out into the garage to eliminate the noise from my equipment closet.
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Just curious, why the Powerhouse over one of the solutions from Torus or Equitech?
The deal I found, plain and simple.

It's no secret isolation transformers are hugely expensive and wouldn't be in my budget at retail pricing, but I wanted one for my system so I shopped for all three brands on the used market.

I almost landed on two different Torus units before finding a steal on a Powerhouse. A guy had been trying to sell one on Audiogon for almost a year and finally put it out on a no reserve auction to get rid of it which I ended up winning.

A Powerhouse just recently sold on eBay for $1763 plus freight which is the cheapest I've ever seen one close. Perhaps I should have reached out to @BrolicBeast about it...

As a side-note, I don't have a huge wattage Tripp Lite UPS like @LeBon , but I own an APC S20 which I'll plug into the Powerhouse and which will give about 1000 watts of battery back up for 5 minutes. For programming, I'll let the batteries do their thing for up to two minutes. If the power isn't restored by that point, the automation system will initiate a shutdown sequence.
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I wanted protection for all of my equipment, including all the heavy amplifiers, so I am taking a different approach by using an isolation transformer. The Richard Gray Powerhouse will sit on its own double pull 60 amp circuit to pull 240 volts from the panel using heavy duty 6/3 wire. The isolation transformer steps down the voltage to 120v and provides 20 separate 20 amp receptacles on the back of the unit. The Powerhouse has a current reserve of 6000 watts to handle any sudden current needs that exceed the capacitance built into the amplifiers. EVERYTHING will plug into this single isolation transformer.

You can't go wrong with one circuit per amp, but as I've said before, that's overkill vs. actual current draws if you were to meter the connection. You can protect everything on your panel using an Environmental Potentials EP-2050 you can purchase through Nyal Mellor. The one thing to think about is that there is no isolation for what's on the panel from other circuits, so you may be more prone to hearing clicks and pops from other electrical circuits in the house coming through your amplifier. And one last word of advice given to me by Nyal....but all of your theater circuits on the same 120v leg inside your electrical panel to reduce any difference in ground potential (i.e. hum). When you get into the panel you'll see 1/2 the circuits run on one leg of the 240v feed (to give 120v) and the other half on the other leg.
Would the EP-2050 work better if I had a sub-panel installed next to the existing panels, and used it just for that panel? Can a sub-panel by installed on a single leg? If so, can it be done without taxing the leg? Sorry for all the questions--as electrical gets close, I'm spending quite a bit of time thinking about these things.

I had a conversation many months ago with Nyal--he did give the advice to install equipment on the same leg. I didn't really know what that meant until BIG explained it to me last Sunday.

I hope work, family, and other house projects underway are all doing well. Theaters can wait, like the hobbies that they are.
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Would the EP-2050 work better if I had a sub-panel installed next to the existing panels, and used it just for that panel? Can a sub-panel by installed on a single leg? If so, can it be done without taxing the leg? Sorry for all the questions--as electrical gets close, I'm spending quite a bit of time thinking about these things.

I had a conversation many months ago with Nyal--he did give the advice to install equipment on the same leg. I didn't really know what that meant until BIG explained it to me last Sunday.

I hope work, family, and other house projects underway are all doing well. Theaters can wait, like the hobbies that they are.
That's what I did. Put a EP-2050 right in front of my 100A sub panel that powers the HT equipment. The sub panel is located in my equipment room right by my equipment rack. All circuits were mounted on one leg. Works wonderfully.
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That's what I did. Put a EP-2050 right in front of my 100A sub panel that powers the HT equipment. The sub panel is located in my equipment room right by my equipment rack. All circuits were mounted on one leg. Works wonderfully.
Music to my ears! Thanks David. I'll need to look into that.
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