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I have a finished basement with a projector ... so I need to run an hdmi cable and power cable on (don't want to cut into it for 6 feet) the ceiling, and down the wall...so 6 feet of white ceiling, 6 feetish of wall. Any recommendations on hiding the two cables? Like a white channel maybe?

Also, any ideas on hiding 14gauge speaker wire along carpet? Maybe just shove it under the trim if I can?
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there is a product for this, its called wiremolding, it starts white but can be painted to suit your needs, i believe monoprice carries their version of this product too. search "cable raceways"

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10520&cs_id=1052005&p_id=8288&seq=1&format=2

here is a link to a starter kit, but you can order pieces individually.
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cool, thanks...i'll try a runner.
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I have nearly the same stuff for about 5 bucks a piece - look in the classifieds. Contact me and we can work something out. smile.gif
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Real men run the wires in the ceiling and walls. Cutting and patching drywall is a merit badge every homeowner needs to earn.
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Real men run the wires in the ceiling and walls. Cutting and patching drywall is a merit badge every homeowner needs to earn.

I have no way to guide wires through 2x4's and sheetrock frown.gif
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Are you saying you don't own a drill? For six feet you just stick it in and grab with your hand.
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[resisting the urge to go there]

You throw a softball like that and SOMEBODY is going to hit out of the park.

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there goes Big sticking his hand in agian! I went there!
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Are you saying you don't own a drill? For six feet you just stick it in and grab with your hand.

on a popcorn ceiling? You're crazy handman!
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SWING! and a miss.

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Are you saying you don't own a drill? For six feet you just stick it in and grab with your hand.
I see now you stick it in then grab it!
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on a popcorn ceiling? You're crazy handman!

I hate popcorn ceilings, but if you have a popcorn ceiling how are you going to attach a raceway and make it nice and flat?

So you cut two holes in the ceiling the exact size of old work electrical boxes. One for the outlet and one for a HDMI cable.
On the wall you cut a hole at the top big enough to get your drill inside the stud bay and two holes below for old work boxes again

You drill holes in the top plate of the wall

You fish your romex and hdmi cables up through the holes in the top plate toward the holes in the ceiling, now you stick your hand in the old work boxes and feel around for the wires. Once you've got the ceiling wires in postion you send the other end straight down to the lower wall holes.

Install old work boxes

Use a PowerBridge connection for the electrical service and a brush plate for the HDMI.

patch the hole in the wall, sand and paint.

This assumes you've located the orientation of the ceiling joists and studs and have everything planned out.
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not a bad idea ... i'll have to see where the studs are. I'll still have a cable going down the wall though ... or maybe not, if I can drill a nice spot for them...wonder if I can find the blueprints to tell me where the studs are ...
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This assumes you've located the orientation of the ceiling joists and studs and have everything planned out.

THAT'S the big assumption I was thinking about, otherwise the advice is sound.

I'm not a fan of surface-mount wiremold, but if I had to put some across a popcorn ceiling I would simply mark where I wanted to install the wire mold and scrape off ONLY that part of the popcorn ceiling so the wiremold would lay perfectly flat against the sheet rock.
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not a bad idea either TMcG ...

what about speaker wires around the floor? This one I can't really drill, as it is cement floor...but I do have a ledge, I could put a runner on...it is a foundation ledge like this:

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not a bad idea either TMcG ...

what about speaker wires around the floor? This one I can't really drill, as it is cement floor...but I do have a ledge, I could put a runner on...it is a foundation ledge like this:


Two ways:
  1. I would run 16/4 to get all conductors for a stereo pair inside one sheathed wire.
  2. If there isn't enough room for even a single wire underneath the baseboard, remove the baseboard and cut a small channel at the bottom of the drywall. Run your wire and replace the baseboard to cover the fact you were even there
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It is not drywall though, it is cement.

What do you mean 16/4?16 gauge, 4 wires? In that picture, I was thinking of running the wires on top of that little ledge of the foundation... you'd only see the wires as I run them from the ledge to the floor, to the speakers.
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I remember seeing some cable raceway that masqueraded as crown molding:

http://www.cableorganizer.com/raceway-crown/
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If I don't cut holes, any good way to mount the cables to the ceiling? I basically need a decent hook to hold the hdmi and power cable.
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You can Google baseboard + raceway + cable to find a number of products that could replace your baseboard and hold cables.

Look on legrand's site to find a lot of options for surface mount raceway.

http://www.legrand.us/wire-cable-management/raceways.aspx

Home Depot carries the Wiremold basics (made by Legrand).

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I have a ledge like that in my basement. It's covered with drywall, and the ledge is preserved.

With that door there, I understand that adding drywall would be difficult.

Legrand raceway would allow you to properly add power outlets to the wall, with the outlets integrated into the raceway.

http://www.legrand.us/wiremold/raceway/nonmetallic-raceway/multi-channel-raceway/5000-access-large-capacity-raceway/5000-access-large-capacity-raceway.aspx#Components

D6B75D6E08644A6EB8077611F0D5B833.ashx?w=300&h=300&bc=ffffff&as=1

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That is cool, but those pictures couldn't be any smaller ...

for the ceiling I was going to run this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0008JIQ18/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=vivithemageco-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B0008JIQ18&adid=1E3RJ0JY1DA66HRKXGZC&

I am also going to use it for the speaker wire...my GF was OK with the idea of it, as the moulding would have looked weird, she also thought it'd be a bad idea to make a few holes for just a few feet in the ceiling. I need to find a good bracket to hold it to the celiing now though, all I see is lame adhesive kinds.
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If you do a google image search of wiremold access 5000 (or any of the other wiremold products), you can find other images.

Do you think that flexible sleeve would be good for the ceiling? Good for hiding bundles, but no structural support.

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Are there any places locally (55443)that have that wiremold access 5000 stuff? I'd love to run my basement with it.
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Did you search the wire mold site for distributors? Might want to buy a couple pieces on Amazon, to play with it (or any other online distributor).

Cableorganizer.com and cablestogo.com might be some places to look.

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It is not drywall though, it is cement.

What do you mean 16/4?16 gauge, 4 wires? In that picture, I was thinking of running the wires on top of that little ledge of the foundation... you'd only see the wires as I run them from the ledge to the floor, to the speakers.

Oops. I meant cut a channel in the back of that baseboard, as with a router. Assuming that IS baseboard in your picture...biggrin.gif

And if you are looking for a way to conceal the wires, TechFlex is definitely NOT the answer. Just go with the professional Wiremold products and paint to color match.
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Even as lousy as these pics are, you can still see how much of an improvement putting wiremold in makes.
I have all concrete walls and ceiling. It's an old apt bldg, so I had no other option.

These are kinda like before and after shots
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Ignore the circled speakers, but do notice the wires running between them, and also note the wire running
out to the 3D glasses emitter


Here, all wires , um , molded LOL


You need to look close, but you can see the wires running above the screen.


Again, wires - molded - MUCH better.


I have a few cases of this wiremold left over, let me know if you want some.
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Doesn't look bad, but I don't think wiremold will work on my popcorn ceiling ... I do like the idea of that legrand stuff....if I can find it, does anyone have an amazon link, I don't see it on there.
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http://gcs.cableorganizer.com/?q=wiremold+access+5000

I don't see much of the Wiremold Access 5000 on Amazon.

Legrand has other similar products, if you search their site.

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