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post #421 of 545 Old 12-30-2013, 12:31 PM
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I hope you get on a roll, rather than anti-roll soon. Don't believe superstition or you might force #3 to happen.

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I hope you get on a roll, rather than anti-roll soon. Don't believe superstition or you might force #3 to happen.

honestly at this point I'm just hoping no one gets really sick. I can deal with money and possessions and that type of nonsense but if one of my kids were to get sersiously ill that might cause me to have a breakdown...
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Holy long time no update!

So just to recap :

In November they built our house with a back sliding door 4 feet off the ground and they said either we can make your back yard a ski slope or you can pay $4,000 out of pocket for a deck and no we won't amend your contract. Thanks!

In December something in my wife's van broke loose and totaled the engine. $2,000 for a down payment on a new (used) van.

On Christmas frigging Eve, our furnace in our old house died, just died, out of nowhere. Another $2,000 to replace it. (Thankful it wasn't more)

Earlier this year my wife brings my daughter home from the dentist, tells me they have scheduled her for surgery to remove a tooth, and that they will immediately be starting a $4,000 braces treatment program and I said uh what?!? We have pushed that off until January - at least then, we can build up enough money through HSA to help defray the cost.

Needless to say my "theater" looks no different today than the day I moved in. However! I did recently receive a promotion at work and there will be a (prorated) bonus at year end so there is some cash coming my way. Hopefully it won't be another 6 months before my next update but I'm at least hopeful again about the future!

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Side note : I went to my friends house to watch Game 7 of the NHL Western Conference Finals and he was projecting an Optoma (did not get the model number - I assumed it was the HD20) onto a 14 foot wide screen that ran floor to ceiling (about 8 feet) and it looked... not all that great.

Now for whatever reason he was running DVD and DirecTV to it. The DVD was Empire Strikes Back and I literally almost asked him to turn it off. It did not look good at all. During the snow scenes I could see squares (the pixels) on the screen clearly outlined in black about the size of my thumb. The hockey game looked OK, but again I kept wishing it was a higher quality feed but the game certainly looked better than the DVD. But I think even in the hockey game I could see the pixels outlined against the ice pretty easily.

Did he have it configured wrong? Was it just a bad feed? I'm trying to figure out how a projector could end up looking that bad.
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That's bad expenses for sure. Sounds like a very high cost for braces, for sure... Or we're just so very heavily subsidised through the taxes over here... Hope you will get your nose above water soon!

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Sounds like your friend might be using a cheap 800x600 projector. I started with one (has 1080 hdmi feed but a 800x600 image) and as I increased the image size over a couple of months the screen door effect caused by lack of pixels began to drive me crazy. (Of course, my wife and girls were fine with the picture, but I have to get after the wife to watch HD on my 70 inch TV verses low def. She claims not to notice the difference.)

I use it on a 92 inch screen now and the image is good with a 1080 source. When I project in on the family room wall at around 14 feet wide, the image is okay when you get back 30 feet. Any closer and the pixel squares are "wow" in size which sounds like what you experienced at your friends house. Add in a non-1080 source such as a DVD or non-hd TV source, and the image is almost unwatchable on a large screen.
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crappy projector is my guess.

Sorry to hear of your unexpected costs. That really sucks and when it rains it pours I guess. Congrats on your job promotion!

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I'm curious which of the builders lovely options you chose? Ski slope, or deck? "Nice"!

Looks like you've used up all the bad luck, and you're onto the good now!
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Sounds like your friend might be using a cheap 800x600 projector. I started with one (has 1080 hdmi feed but a 800x600 image) and as I increased the image size over a couple of months the screen door effect caused by lack of pixels began to drive me crazy. (Of course, my wife and girls were fine with the picture, but I have to get after the wife to watch HD on my 70 inch TV verses low def. She claims not to notice the difference.)

I use it on a 92 inch screen now and the image is good with a 1080 source. When I project in on the family room wall at around 14 feet wide, the image is okay when you get back 30 feet. Any closer and the pixel squares are "wow" in size which sounds like what you experienced at your friends house. Add in a non-1080 source such as a DVD or non-hd TV source, and the image is almost unwatchable on a large screen.
thanks for this - seriously the Empire Strikes Back DVD made me nauseous. It was that bad.

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Thanks for all the replies and continued interest - I had forgotten that I turned off email notifications and thought you guys didn't care about me any more.

I made a big step this weekend. I bought a sh*tload of blackout material on ebay (110" x 200") so I can get a proper screen going and start testing some setups.

I recently walked downstairs and thought to myself, "you know the narrow side of the basement would be a hell of a lot easier to do this project". I keep looking at how low those vents are on the first floor and how wide they are and it's giving me heartburn. It's 12'6" wide on one side, 9' on the other and the vents are about 3' wide and hang down about 9".

"Wide" side


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The thing is I think I have to go down to 2 seats wide with the narrow side. One thing's for sure - the entire setup would get a whole lot more "intimate" on the narrow side.

According to this page - http://www.diymovierooms.com/Home-Th...Shape-and-Size - theaters dimensions should be "Room width should be 1.6 times the height and the length should be 2.6 times the room height...". My ceiling is 93" which would make 9' a tad too narrow.

And then of course I could always go across the front of both of those pictures but then I've got a big beam hanging down in the middle of the room. That's 10.5' wide.

I don't know - I keep going in circles on this damn thing Hopefully having a screen will make it a bit more obvious as far as what works and what doesn't.
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Wider is better. Narrower means more job of dampening the side wall reflex from the fronts where a wider room will work out fine with just diffusing it.

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95 Staples. That's how many staples it took to make our screen. Do you want to know WHY I know that? Because I removed every last one of them.

Welcome to my first mistake as a home theater designer / constructor!

So first I watched this video on how to build a screen : http://www.instafuze.com/?p=114

Only I didn't watch it very closely. I couldn't figure out why he was stapling his screen on the front - why not just staple the back?

My basement floor is a bit dirty so I didn't want to put my big beautiful movie screen face down on that dirty floor. So *I* had a BRILLIANT idea! I'll move all the furniture out of the living room and my LUSH CLEAN new carpet and make the movie screen upstairs!

It worked like a charm - the room was just big enough and we got the screen stapled on to the wood frame and stood it up against the wall. It was BEAUTIFUL - I think I shed a tear.

So I tell my daughter to go down to the basement so that she could tell us where we should go. We got the frame into the office and made the pivot to go down the stairs and...(clunk). Wait, what? What do you mean it doesn't fit? HOW COULD IT NOT FIT? Because it's a 12 FOOT by 6 FOOT frame you NINNY!

So we put the frame back down on the living room floor and I removed 95 staples by hand, one at a time.

Sigh.

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We got it put back together this evening but have not hung it yet. Then I get to shine my crappy flashlight projector at it and try to decide what I like or don't like.
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Flashlight projector or not, it is a great way to test things out. Plus you will be able to gauge how much you and your family will enjoy using a projector and screen. Anytime our screen goes up my wife and kids are attracted to it like a moth to a flame. Hopefully you experience is similar!
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had a delightful moment last night where we stand up the screen and my wife goes "isn't this screen bigger than your theater?"

and I said "no, it's exactly as big as the entire theater" and then I explained to her that this was a test to see what will work and won't work. And since we're dealing with unknowns I wanted to have the largest possible canvas to start with.
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Tell your wife that it is "our" theater and it helps with justifying purchases.

Having the largest canvas as possible is the best way to go IMO. I have seen many people wishing they went larger after they finished their theater.

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Tell your wife that it is "our" theater and it helps with justifying purchases.

Having the largest canvas as possible is the best way to go IMO. I have seen many people wishing they went larger after they finished their theater.

I fully expect that I will end up with a smaller screen for the final theater (if only because once you add walls and such I don't think that screen will fit) but I still wanted to know what the "max size" would look like. Having been at a friends theater recently where he had floor to ceiling 14' wide I'm not sure that's the way I would go but he clearly had something not set up right with his projector bc the picture was downright ugly.
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screen is up, movies have been watched and now of course I am incredibly dissatisfied with my cheap crappy projector (duh) and also with the metal folding chairs (not very comfortable)

The Playtime Projector is a fixed lens projector. It can focus but no lens shift or adjustments of any kind. It's about 5'9" off the floor about 18-20' back throwing a 10' wide image (or so, 1.8:1 fiixed throw ratio). So that means I can't sit anywhere near the screen or my head is in the picture. If I can't sit 1:1 with the image width (10' wide, 10' back) for me you start to lose the wonder of a movie (that 50 degree field of view is a sweet spot for me).

so I'm sniffing around ebay and Craigslist for a cheap Epson 8350 - those seem to be highly regarded for lens shifting ability. I'm not even sure if a BenQ or an Optoma is going to do it for me with this setup. Also looking at CL for super stupid cheap couches. I know Goodwill is usually good for those too.

I took a picture but I knicked my u-verse fiber with the tiller yesterday so no internet (writing this using my phone's internet).

Once I get a better projector, then I can build and test out the riser and then start figuring out what I'm going to do with my ceiling. Which I may have overreacted to. Sitting watching a movie last night I didn't realize how far to the side those ducts and pipes are. Might end up being okay there.
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anyone have recommendations on decent mass market (meaning many of them will be available used) projectors with decent lens shift?

The BenQ 1070W is $699 new right now, trying to not buy that...seems the lens shifting is pretty limited on that one.
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so this thread is quickly going to turn into a "what not to do" for future theater builders...



This is my, uhm, "theater".

So you've got an XBox 360 driving a Playtime PT100 projector stacked on top of boxes (and a baby's blanket because the projector leans backward EVER so slightly) projecting onto a hand built screen (max size possible).

The speakers are a VERY generic 2.1 speaker system (Cyber Acoustics?).

And the seating...uhm, yaaaaah.....

We are currently limited to DVD's only and will be for a while until I get a projector that takes an HDMI cable.

I've already figured out that this isn't really helping me test anything because the PT100 is a piece of trash. Aside from the fact that it's brightness is barely better than your average nightlight, it also lacks keystone correction which means I can't mount my projector to the ceiling to figure out how seating is going to work (or not going to work). Actually I suppose I could mount it to the ceiling and just deal with the keystone...sigh...since I'm not watching real movies anyways...

edit : I just checked the keystone if I raise the projector up to the ceiling and it's bad but not unwatchable. Maybe I'll just stick with it. Not a lot of sense in spending more money for temporary solutions.

edit2 : so who wants to give me pointers on building a really cheap projector box to hang from the ceiling? I'm not the handiest fella in the world but fortunately my wife is.


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On my main TV up in the family room I have absolutely fallen head over heels in love with my new WD Live TV. Full uncompressed HD, 5.1 over optical, it's heaven. Unfortunately I have also completely exhausted the space of my WD MyBook Live so I'm the market for the 4TB version now. Buying a proper NAS box feels like a better answer but low cost and low complexity are going to keep me with the WD boxes for now I think.

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Your camera lens seems a bit "warped" too....

Unless you're doing AVS' first curved theatre...

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Your camera lens seems a bit "warped" too....

Unless you're doing AVS' first curved theatre...
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All,This place is amazing. You guys are really talented, dedicated and sometimes a little intimidating looking for tips to read up on, think about etc.I'm not a DIY guy (would need to hire someone for carpentry) and I also tend to buy things at the budget end of the scale instead of the top end. I certainly have appreciation for what I have seen - just don't have the stomach to spend that much.I wrote a whole long post and deleted it Looking to hear others thoughts before I launch into my own...
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started flagging transactions in mint so that I can report my costs to the group.

so far I'm at $182.32 - I already had the crappy projector but I bought it for $180 new a couple years ago - they don't sell them anymore although there are even cheaper ($60 and probably even crappier) replacements on Amazon today

http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/12/diy...ceiling-mount/
$7.66 - makeshift Projector Box + hardware
$20.02 - makeshift Projector Box + hardware

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Been a while since I checked in. I hope all is well with you and yours. How is the Google Sketchup learning and any subsequent drawings coming along? Any thoughts as to when you might start making sawdust? Is the current setup just to scratch your theater 'itch' until things really start moving along?
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Been a while since I checked in. I hope all is well with you and yours. How is the Google Sketchup learning and any subsequent drawings coming along? Any thoughts as to when you might start making sawdust? Is the current setup just to scratch your theater 'itch' until things really start moving along?
Thanks for checking in!!!

I think I've gotten to the point with sketchup where I dont think its going to give me what I want so I am building a mock up of my theater in my theater.

I built the screen, I'm mounting the projector this week. I'm going to build a makeshift riser so I can see and experience what this whole thing will actually be like, at least in rudimentary form.

I think I have already figured out that the front seats are going to have to be a bit lower to the ground because of the low ceiling and my desire for a second row and third row bar.

For me theres no substitute for experience so thats how I am going about it.
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my wife started the projector box last night and had it 75% finished by the time I got home.

Magical woman, her

no idea how we're going to mock up a riser just yet. Might just have to build one and skip all the finishing.
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I hate to even ask this because I know how you guys like your pricey equipment but are any of these worth having as a primary receiver for my HT room? I realize this is putting the cart WAYYYY in front of the horse.

Denon AVR-X2000 7.1-Channel Network AV Receiver w/ AirPlay $399
Denon AVR-E300 5.1 Channel 3D Pass Through Network AV Receiver with AirPlay $200
Yamaha RX-V775WA 7.2 Channel Network AV Receiver w/ AirPlay & WiFi Adapter $450
Gold Box Deal: Denon AVR-X1000 5.1-Channel Networking Home Theater AV Receiver w/ AirPlay $299
Yamaha RX-V675 7.2 Channel Network AV Receiver for $379
Yamaha RX-V577 (this year's model) $299.95
Harman Kardon AVR 1565 5.1-Channel AV Receiver (Refurbished) $119
Yamaha RX-V775WA 7.2 Channel Network AV Receiver $449.95
Yamaha RX-V577 $299.99
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I might swim against the stream a little when it comes to AVRs. I think of them as bags of features. Brand loyalty is meaningless, specifications are largely meaningless - features. Buy the features you want/need.

In my shopping, I wanted pre-outs so that I would have the flexibility to add external amplification and outboard processing - so I basically bought the cheapest receiver I could find that would check that box. It was moe expensive than those, but not a lot more.

I think the key is getting the right number of inputs and outputs and the right number of channels. So layout all the equipment you might want to connect (including networked sources and extra zones) and find the short list. Then you can decide based on value and extras - like do you want Audyssey over MCACC or does the nicer on-screen display mean anything to you.

It's true that more expensive units tend to be nicer, but most of the electronics and engineering in these boxes is interchangeable. So don't sweat it - find the features you'll use and buy that.
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I might swim against the stream a little when it comes to AVRs. I think of them as bags of features. Brand loyalty is meaningless, specifications are largely meaningless - features. Buy the features you want/need.

In my shopping, I wanted pre-outs so that I would have the flexibility to add external amplification and outboard processing - so I basically bought the cheapest receiver I could find that would check that box. It was moe expensive than those, but not a lot more.

I think the key is getting the right number of inputs and outputs and the right number of channels. So layout all the equipment you might want to connect (including networked sources and extra zones) and find the short list. Then you can decide based on value and extras - like do you want Audyssey over MCACC or does the nicer on-screen display mean anything to you.

It's true that more expensive units tend to be nicer, but most of the electronics and engineering in these boxes is interchangeable. So don't sweat it - find the features you'll use and buy that.
I think I want a box to drive 6 or 8 speakers in a 12' x 24' room

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Unlike Fred, I am an unabashed Denon fanboy and will sing their praises any opportunity I get. But my enthusiasm does stem from very positive experience with them and some not so great history with other brands. Obviously YMMV.

However, I do agree that you need to first identify your needs and then manage your wants as the budget allows. I wouldn't break the bank on a receiver right now. A lot of changes are coming down the pike like HDMI 2.0, Atmos, etc., that might make you want a new processor sooner rather than later.

I would suggest that you also take a look at Accessories4Less for your receivers. Others on the forum have had issues with the products they've received from them, but I have not. Caveat emptor, but you can get some good deals on refurbished items.
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