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post #721 of 1424 Old 11-23-2015, 01:24 PM - Thread Starter
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No worries. No PC nancys 'round here. I started looking back through this thread and realized this project has been going on for a while. Have you already discussed elsewhere the look/feel of this room?


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I'm not fully there yet (and I need to be I know) but the original thought was

- a couple columns with sconces,
- room painted espresso brown,
- nature/dark green forest themed wall posters/acoustic panels between the dark brown columns (btw I have thoughts/plans to interchange these out with sports or movie based panels as the mood strikes me, we'll see how that goes)
- light tray in crown molding making a U around the back half of the room, probably 4-6 ceiling cans,
- 2 rows of seating (3 recliners in front of 4) the 4 seats I have - Black Palliser Hi-Fi's, front seats will need a lower back or will obstruct screen (I know bc it does today)
- riser is roughly 13" tall and will cover the back half of the room - I have a "practice" riser today that I really should have asked to be made bigger (oh well)
- in-wall speakers for sides and probably rears (room width is a PROBLEM at 11'-ish)
- still thinking through screen - most likely a millskin (sp?) spandex screen with left right center and two subs crammed in behind there, problem with spandex is that I want a bigger screen than spandex will do but I'm not paying $500+ for a screen...
- all of the tech will be fairly entry level unless I find an amazing deal on Craigslist (see prior page for convo on that) - we watch movies down there now with what we have and we love it
- also not sure where the tech will go just yet - front left, back left or back right are likely candidates
- I will likely double drywall / soundproof the ceiling but the rest of it...I'm just not sure it will matter. If we have a movie on real loud, we're all down there.

I originally had a snack bar, a kitchen and an AV closet in mind but the more my wife and I though through the design the more that just didn't make sense. We might still do a "micro kitchen" elsewhere in the basement but not 100% sure on where we have room for that.
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I had my contractor over today to look at the basement.

He was pushing fairly hard for drop ceiling acoustic tiles instead of double drywall.

I don't care about sound pushing out/sideways from the theater but I really DON'T WANT sound coming down from the kitchen/dining room or sound going up for that matter.

his counterpoint is a good one that I have plumbing from the kitchen sink running along the back of the theater and if I ever need to access that pipe for whatever reason, I would have to tear out the drywall.

I also just dont like the look of the shiny rails running all over the room that separate / hold up the tiles.

What I don't know yet is the cost difference and that may change my mind entirely.

but conversations are happening and that's exciting after two and a half long years of just talking about it
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ok see the big black cylinders? those are my support beams... I want (the contractor...) to build columns in the theater that go around those for mounting sconces and in-wall speakers...



ok so how much do I need to worry about how close the in-wall speaker is to the post? Is it enough to shove some insulation around the speaker and call it done? Do I need some minimum clearance?
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The ceiling choice is up to you, obviously - but don't confuse yourself with the idea that they are called acoustic tiles. The difference in soundproofing between them and anything else is stark - and not good, given your interest in not hearing the kitchen while you are watching a movie.
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The ceiling choice is up to you, obviously - but don't confuse yourself with the idea that they are called acoustic tiles. The difference in soundproofing between them and anything else is stark - and not good, given your interest in not hearing the kitchen while you are watching a movie.
yah I got the sense that he's familiar with the ceiling tiles and hence he was recommending them without having fully done all the research like you guys have.
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The ceiling choice is up to you, obviously - but don't confuse yourself with the idea that they are called acoustic tiles. The difference in soundproofing between them and anything else is stark - and not good, given your interest in not hearing the kitchen while you are watching a movie.
Right... the acoustic tiles are in-room acoustic treatment - they are NOT soundproofing.
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ok see the big black cylinders? those are my support beams... I want (the contractor...) to build columns in the theater that go around those for mounting sconces and in-wall speakers...



ok so how much do I need to worry about how close the in-wall speaker is to the post? Is it enough to shove some insulation around the speaker and call it done? Do I need some minimum clearance?
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I would first wrap the post in some 3-6 inch insulation and then fill the rest of the cavity with insulation. I'm guessing as long as the speaker doesn't touch the post or compress the insulation its wrapped in too much it should be fine. If you really feel anxious about it you could, including the insulation, also have the post boxed in with double drywall.

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I would first wrap the post in some 3-6 inch insulation

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not sure what you mean by this. The post is already 4 inches in diameter - you want me to wrap it with 6 inches of insulation? That's going to create a bit of a monster...
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If you dont have the space I'm sure you could get by with less thick insulation hence the 3"-6" just as long as the sound from the speaker doesn't have a clear path to reflect off the pole or cause any vibration.

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Ideal solution would be a set of in-walls with an integrated enclosure like these.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIAD-InWall...MAAOSwcBhWXIZk

Short of that, I think some loosely stuffed insulation will be fine. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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Ideal solution would be a set of in-walls with an integrated enclosure like these.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIAD-InWall...MAAOSwcBhWXIZk

Short of that, I think some loosely stuffed insulation will be fine. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
MAN you guys like to spend money when it comes to tech. LOL
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No, we like to spend other people's money...
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I built my own speaker boxes for my in walls out of plywood between the studs. Not sure the enclosure size is ideal for the speaker but they are surrounds and sound more than good enough for that purpose.

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I built my own speaker boxes for my in walls out of plywood between the studs. Not sure the enclosure size is ideal for the speaker but they are surrounds and sound more than good enough for that purpose.

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I might get talked into doing a DIY sub but I have no desire to build my own ANYTHING.
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went to an IMAX screening of Star Wars yesterday and holy smokes is that thing ever loud.

That also helped me cement why I don't need to spend a ton of money sound proofing and buying super expensive audio gear is that there is no way I would ever want to watch a movie at those volume levels in my own home.

Also reserved seating at theaters is a HUGE HUGE win. It literally takes ALL the stress out of the movie experience for me.
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I might get talked into doing a DIY sub but I have no desire to build my own ANYTHING.
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Seriously.. the performance/value is unmatched. What kind of sub you thinking?

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I might get talked into doing a DIY sub but I have no desire to build my own ANYTHING.
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Seriously.. the performance/value is unmatched. What kind of sub you thinking?
Will come back to this. No hurry don't have walls yet.

Back to speakers. This popped up on my CL feed. Seems a bit over priced but a good set of front 3?

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What did you decide on the acoustically transparent screen?

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What did you decide on the acoustically transparent screen?
More than likely going to build the largest spandex screen that I can which will be roughly 10' wide.

Have not done it yet.
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I think that's a great decision on the screen. Then I'd skip those speakers and wait for a matched LCR set.

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Then I'd skip those speakers and wait for a matched LCR set.
What do you recommend for 100w per channel receiver?
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What do you recommend for 100w per channel receiver?
I'm a big Denon fanboy. I have had several and have liked all of them.

If you don't mind buying a refurb, I'd check out this one
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I'm a big Denon fanboy. I have had several and have liked all of them.

If you don't mind buying a refurb, I'd check out this one
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Thanks what about LCR speakers ?
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What's your budget?

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What's your budget?
Let's say under a grand.

Planning on pairing these with in-wall speakers for the surrounds :

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-RC8..._12097474011_3

Might do in-ceiling speakers for Atmos/DTS-X at some point - I will wire for it and then watch the market until the prices fall into the "everyman" range.
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Speakers are a little tougher to recommend because they are much more of a personal choice. My first recommendation would be a used set of Triad LCRs off eBay. My second would be a set of assemble-yourself-speakers from DIY Sound Group. I know neither of those are really up your alley, so I think an Internet Direct speaker company would probably be your best bet. Axiom Audio often comes up when ID speakers are discussed. It looks like you could get three M22 speakers for just under a grand and they have a 30 day in home trial.

Ascend Acoustics is another company that I've seen recommended. The CMT-340 is an MTM design that would also fit your budget. Also with a 30 day in home trial.

Both of those designs are rear-ported, so you would have to have a little room behind your screen. I like the MTM design better for theater use, but the Axiom design is pretty sharp looking.

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Speakers are a little tougher to recommend because they are much more of a personal choice. My first recommendation would be a used set of Triad LCRs off eBay. My second would be a set of assemble-yourself-speakers from DIY Sound Group. I know neither of those are really up your alley, so I think an Internet Direct speaker company would probably be your best bet. Axiom Audio often comes up when ID speakers are discussed. It looks like you could get three M22 speakers for just under a grand and they have a 30 day in home trial.

Ascend Acoustics is another company that I've seen recommended. The CMT-340 is an MTM design that would also fit your budget. Also with a 30 day in home trial.

Both of those designs are rear-ported, so you would have to have a little room behind your screen. I like the MTM design better for theater use, but the Axiom design is pretty sharp looking.
I find it interesting that almost everyone on this forum eschews "popular" speakers. What I mean is if you pull up Amazon or Best Buy you won't find any of these models that I see most often used and recommended on this forum. You would think that Polk Audio or Klipsch would have found that sweet spot that satisfies the enthusiast and popular crowds.

Regarding the room behind the screen, I'm deliberately minimizing that to maximize the amount of use-able space in my basement. 18 inches is probably the most I would devote to space behind the screen.

While we're on the subject of behind the screen - it occurs to me that the back wall (behind the screen) is going to reflect a LOT of noise - is there any value to the thought of leaving that wall unfinished and just leaving the white wall insulation there so there isnt quite so much reverb? Or do you want reverb coming off that wall? I've tried to stay with acoustics books and classes a couple times but the material is just so dry I can't handle it.
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