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Little bit sad right now. Theater is almost completely torn down. Just the riser and the screen.
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hey you know what you do when it's 1:45am and you can't sleep? You work on your theater plan...

So Dolby Atmos...

Any general guidelines on placement? I looked up the guide and it said even with fronts and 45/135-degree placement from the listener. I placed them 4' in front of and behind the "money seat" and in line with front left and right.

I'm just looking to locate speaker wire / future proof.



Also, I need about 300' of speaker wire for all of my runs - recommendations.... go! =D

(prefer Amazon to Monoprice since I have Prime)

here are my measurements
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Anyone used this split wire loom?

Seems handy with the ability to duck wires into and out of the tube where needed?

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You could do that, but I would not want to rely on that for pulling new wires behind a closed wall. There's too much chance that the wires get tangled and bound in the split.
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Anyone want to take issue with this?

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the...speaker-cable/

Choice™ Series 12AWG Oxygen-Free Pure Bare Copper Speaker Wire
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You'll want CL2 speaker wire for running in walls. The other stuff fine for in room, but should not get enclosed in a wall.

12 awg will be best for your LCR especially running all the way from the back of the theater. It would also be best for all your surrounds, though 14 awg would likely suffice as well. For you subs, you might want to consider running 12/4 for each of the two subs. This will give you some extra options in the future and won't cost much more for a single 100ft spool.

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You'll want CL2 speaker wire for running in walls. The other stuff fine for in room, but should not get enclosed in a wall.

12 awg will be best for your LCR especially running all the way from the back of the theater. It would also be best for all your surrounds, though 14 awg would likely suffice as well. For you subs, you might want to consider running 12/4 for each of the two subs. This will give you some extra options in the future and won't cost much more for a single 100ft spool.

This seems absurdly cheap?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/3216647...chn=ps&lpid=82
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It's copper clad aluminium. You want solid copper.

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Item specifics
Condition:New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging (where packaging is ... Read more
Type: Loudspeaker Cable
Cable Rating: CL2 Rated Cable Length: 500ft
Strand Count: 122 wires Conductor Type: Stranded Conductors (CCA)
Strand Size: 0.18mm Twist Type: Multi-Twist, Rope Lay
Outer Diameter: 8mm Outer Jacker Color: White
UPC: Does not apply

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It's copper clad aluminium. You want solid copper.
I can't tell you how many times you've saved me from making an uninformed decision.

How about this?

http://www.amazon.com/12AWG-Rated-2-...1%2C3605292011
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I can't tell you how many times you've saved me from making an uninformed decision.

How about this?

http://www.amazon.com/12AWG-Rated-2-...1%2C3605292011
Edit: This speaker cable is CCA. I was wrong in my recommendation.

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I'll take that as a "go ahead..."

edit : I get 5% off!! Yes!!
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I'll take that as a "go ahead..."

edit : I get 5% off!! Yes!!
Yeah, that's a really good price. Think about this one too:

http://www.amazon.com/Cmple-12Awg-Ra...eywords=12%2F4

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Yeah, that's a really good price. Think about this one too:

http://www.amazon.com/Cmple-12Awg-Ra...eywords=12%2F4
what's that for? a future sub?
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what's that for? a future sub?
Good for future sub, different wiring options with dual voice coil subs, and for combining both pairs to create a thicker wire for running more power than a 12awg would allow. If none of those are going to apply, than 12/2 is just fine. So more future proofing than anything else.

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Good for future sub, different wiring options with dual voice coil subs, and for combining both pairs to create a thicker wire for running more power than a 12awg would allow. If none of those are going to apply, than 12/2 is just fine. So more future proofing than anything else.
I think I'll spend that money on the conduit and then run it if I need it.
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If you want to make the 50 min. trip up by me I can show you my room and how I designed it.
hey do you know anything about these chairs? these apparently ship from your neck of the woods...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Home-Theater...-/141895724862
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hey do you know anything about these chairs? these apparently ship from your neck of the woods...



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Home-Theater...-/141895724862

I just googled them to and found nothing. I think this place is a online company since there is no address. Send them a message via eBay and see what they say. If there in my town I'll take a ride over there and check them out for ya and take some pictures and see the build Quality In them.
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I'll take that as a "go ahead..."

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I wouldn't do it. Be careful - read the reviews on the same wire in 50ft - it's also CCA, which is why it's a low price: http://www.amazon.com/Cmple-12Awg-Ra...ords=12AWG+CL2

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Anyone used this split wire loom?

Seems handy with the ability to duck wires into and out of the tube where needed?


I have used those to organize wiring from the back of the rack to the point where the wire comes out of the wall. Works fine. Not good for any in wall or hidden stuff.
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I wouldn't do it. Be careful - read the reviews on the same wire in 50ft - it's also CCA, which is why it's a low price: http://www.amazon.com/Cmple-12Awg-Ra...ords=12AWG+CL2
Agreed. All those either state CCA, or dodge the issue, but they all appear to be CCA. If they are 100% copper they will usually state that as it is a selling point. None of these do.
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Sorry, I was wrong. I'm not sure what I was looking at earlier, but that Cmple stuff is CCA.

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I wouldn't do it. Be careful - read the reviews on the same wire in 50ft - it's also CCA, which is why it's a low price: http://www.amazon.com/Cmple-12Awg-Ra...ords=12AWG+CL2
the description says pure copper - I already ordered it.

attempting to cancel.

"The truth is, one of the best materials for transferring electrical signals is pure copper. Higher grade copper will offer less signal resistance and have less tendency to corrode or tarnish underneath the jacket. These cables are capable of delivering loud, clear and crisp audio reproduction limited only by the quality of the equipment you are using."

The description from the page you linked omits the part about pure copper - I still think what I ordered is pure copper.

EDIT : damn it. They shipped it. Guess we'll find out one way or another if this is real copper or CCA.

This is my order :
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o00_s00


Here is Monoprice CL2 on Amazon :

http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-1038...l2+pure+copper

or from their website...

http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_i...seq=1&format=2

roughly 191 shipped

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any tips on shopping for insulation -

from everything I've read just the regular cheapest stuff you can buy is just fine.
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I can't get the idea of a stage out of my head. I'm leaning towards having one built. It's essentially just another riser right?

How do you keep it decoupled from the walls?

Also for the riser and for the stage those need roofing felt underneath right? They're not supposed to sit on bare concrete? Is that right?
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use cheap insulation, take the money you save and buy the right gear to handle the insulation, Depending on your tolerance you may want a disposable jump suit, face mask and googles.

As for the stage you keep the framing and decking 1/2 inch from the wall, I position scrap wood spacers temporarily tacked to the walls then pull them out later, Make sure they stick well above the height of the stage.
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use cheap insulation, take the money you save and buy the right gear to handle the insulation, Depending on your tolerance you may want a disposable jump suit, face mask and googles.

As for the stage you keep the framing and decking 1/2 inch from the wall, I position scrap wood spacers temporarily tacked to the walls then pull them out later, Make sure they stick well above the height of the stage.
I felt like I have read you say to use roofing felt under the riser and stage? Is that right?

Also, the stage doesn't move after you move the spacers? Seems like with all that vibration it might slide a bit here and there. Maybe not if you are filling with sand but if using insulation instead?
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CMPLE was just added to the companies I will never, ever order from again :

their response :

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Hello,

We apologize for the confusion , description does not states that our product is a copper.
You can return the item for a refund or you can keep the I tem and we can provide you extra 20% off.

Sincerely,

Thank you
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The Monoprice 12AWG is the good stuff, guaranteed 100% copper.

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ok so things I need to buy, preferably before the contractor gets here :

insulation
ethernet wire
flex tubing

still really pissed at cmple
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use cheap insulation, take the money you save and buy the right gear to handle the insulation, Depending on your tolerance you may want a disposable jump suit, face mask and googles.

As for the stage you keep the framing and decking 1/2 inch from the wall, I position scrap wood spacers temporarily tacked to the walls then pull them out later, Make sure they stick well above the height of the stage.
Jeff - do you use any kind of spacers - be it sorbothane, rubber, etc to maintain the wall / stage spacing?
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