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I've been looking at these racks online. Are the prices I'm seeing for the rack itself, without shelves, etc?
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I've been looking at these racks online. Are the prices I'm seeing for the rack itself, without shelves, etc?

Unless it's part of some kit (that specifically includes some shelving) - then yes.

The Slim5 racks are pretty popular for HT needs.
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Typically, yes it is just the rack itself.  That is one of the issues with racks - the price can really jump when you add all of the accessories (power strips, shelves. etc.).

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Thanks. Yeah little to speedy for some painted metal. They must make a fortune off the racks.
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Watch your local Craigslist for used server racks. I picked up a 42U 4-post rack with sides, doors and a top w/ dual fans for $100. I check CL whenever I can and recently scored a 20amp 24 outlet power strip for $80. The deals are out there just have to be patient and willing to buy used.
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Thanks I did look and I found a few but when I read the details and such I just don't understand what they are selling really and if it fits my needs. I just need to be more educated on what items are which and what I need.

I'm in Dallas Fort Worth if you see any deals!
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I've been watching craigslist the last couple years, and I've seen several AV racks (as well as many server racks). SearchTempest allows you to search multiple CLs. Also, you can set up eBay searches by distance (within X miles), with email notifications.

You can always buy vertical rack rail, and DIY a cabinet. If you don't want fancy, forego custom face plates, and try to use rack ears when possible.

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You can always buy vertical rack rail, and DIY a cabinet. If you don't want fancy, forego custom face plates, and try to use rack ears when possible.

^ This is probably the cheapest route and can look good when done as an in-wall unit.

This is a 4-post in your area that would work if you have the space.

Here's another

A swing out design

A white one with shelves and power strips included

A 2-post with CAT 6 patch panels and cable management.

There are a ton of these in your area you should have no problem grabbing one for cheap. IMO I would not pay over $200 for a 4-post rack, unless it came with a lot of extras like shelves, outlet strips, etc. Unfortunately I did not see much in the way of accessories like shelves and panels, but they come around eventually.
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Thanks for looking. Yeah most that I found, like you did as well are a little taller then I'd like to go and didn't seem to have much racks. I may just wing it until I find the right deal. I pretty much have everything else or I will have it in the next two weeks and want to get started. Just hate thinking about putting something like this off. Wanted to do it before paint ad carpet go in..

The way my setup is gonna work is I have a closet on the other side of my theater wall and the wife has given me the go ahead to use this as the audio/video storage. It works perfect because if I need to access to the back side I just open the closet door. I just need cut out the drywall for my rack. Which as I said I'd like to do it before the carpet and paint.
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I debated between total DIY and landed on a solution with rack rails and shelving from MA, with custom faceplates which really blew up the cost. You could do it alot cheaper without the faceplates.

Check out the link to my build thread for details and pics starting with post 95

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1361916/the-i-want-it-done-build-thread/90

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Kelton it looks like you have what I want. When are you putting it on Craigslist? Lol kidding. Seriously though I like what you did and it's what I had in mind with my setup. With the extra panels you got what did that all come out to in cost? I have the same setup basically....receiver, bluray, Xbox, ps3, pc I built as well with Apple TV. I will be putting that in the closet space in the back though.

Do these racks screw into the studs on the left and right?
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About $850. The rack rails are screwed directly into a square wooden frame of 2x6's I built and attached to studs in the wall. Everything else attaches to the 2 rack rails.
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Various search terms I used included:
"Middle Atlantic"
Lowell rack
AV rack
Audio rack
19" rack
Rackmount
AV enclosure
AV cabinet
Server rack

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I'm using this one for a project. It will be built into the wall near the rear of the theater. Back opens or can be removed.





$499 local pickup $599 shipped. Additional shelves for under $10 each. We also considered MA but by the time you buy all the custom shelves the cost approached $2000.

HTdepot.com
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Kelton how much of that $850 was the custom cut outs? That is a lot more then I want to spend so may not be a option for me.

BIGmouthinDC where is that pic from? That smaller rack on the left side I may be interested in. I'm looking for one around 3'.

I think the site you posted should be HTdepot.com right? I will look on there.
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^^^

The custom face plates versus just standard shelves is about $325 more. So you could do a similar rack with a drawer, the remote/mp3 player cubby, 4 non-custom shelves and 3 blanks for about $525.
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Big, you should become a MA dealer.

Comparable MA is $800 street, plus freight. Let us know what brand that one is, when you see it.

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Someone pointed out that it looks identical to

http://www.omnimount.com/products/rack_systems_and_carts/rack_systems/re42/

So it probably comes from the same Chinese factory. The difference is with this local vendor (HTdepot.com) you get a much smaller assortment of included shelves.

Neurorad can you explain your comment of why I should be a dealer?
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Edit: Nevermind I just got my answer
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You would be able to buy the equipment from MA, delivered to you or the jobsite, and sell the equipment to the end-user. Your markup would be similar to that of a distributor or reseller. Client gets the benefit of your rack experience (you know what to order), and you get paid for your experience. Fewer ordering mistakes, and equipment is drop-shipped where you need it.

Just a thought, throwing it out there.

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Does anyone know if this rack would allow me to use the standard rack shelves that are for most video/server racks?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-19-18U-500mm-19-7-deep-wallmount-cabinet-for-multiple-uses-black-color-/221222203942?pt=US_Rackmount_Cabinets_Frames&hash=item3381def226
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The 19" width is standard, and would fit any shelf designed for a 19" RETMA rack. Note that this rack has square holes in the vertical rails, into which you snap "cage nuts" at locations where you want to screw something in.
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Also, that linked ebay rack is pretty shallow. The rear panel looks like pressboard, not sure if that will be an issue for you.

I don't know what this means: "Handle room: 1.5" at least". Does the handle interfere with closing, if equipment is mounted there?

I'd have concerns about that no-name rack. That's a pretty short rack, too.

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Thanks. What is a RETMA rack? I'm all new to this. Also LeBon I wasn't sure what point you where trying to make about the cage nuts? Sorry again I'm just not familiar so not sure if you we're trying to tell me to be concerned, etc.

Neurorad by short you mean the 39"? I'm looking for one that size.

Thanks for the feedback!
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RETMA as the old Radio Electronics Television Manfuacturers Association, who adopted the standards for the racks we now call standard. You prbably need to be an old guy like me to even know what RETMA is. 19" wide, and divided into 1.75" units vertically. So equipment designed to fit in a standard rack are multiples of 1.75" ( 1 RU = Rack Unit) high.

The square hole/cage nut racks are usually server racks. An A/V rack like the Slim 5 has drilled and tapped screw holes in the vertical rails. Shouldn't be a problem, as long as you have a source for the cage nuts.
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Thanks for the info! The more I look around it seems my best bet is to go with the Slim 5 rack and get some shelves for it. Is there any reason to get something other than the Half Rack Shelves if I'm just putting in standard stuff like BluRay player,. Receiver, cable box, Xbox? I was thinking about just getting a few of those, a storage box for remotes and then something for cable management. Any suggestions or comments about what I'm getting?
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Pretty hard to beat the Slim 5 rack for a built-in installation. Any standard 19" rack shelf or panel will work in it.

The main thing that sets MA apart is their line of custom rackshelves with front panels to fit around virtually any piece of electronics you can come up with.
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Is this worth getting? Placing my order today and they recommend this.

http://www.customavrack.com/products/592-middle-atlantic-horizontal-rack-mount-server-rack-power-strip-pd-915r-15a.aspx

"Worth" is a strong word here. It's just a power strip, but in a very nice form factor. You can get a less-nice solution for less money.

I went the other direction - since I wanted a light for the rack, and needed a power strip, I used the MA light / strip. I went with the brushed decorator model, but this one is cheaper:

http://www.customavrack.com/products/946-middle-atlantic-pdlt-815rv-rn-lighting-and-power-distributor.aspx

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Did you mount yours in the front or back of the rack? I should probably just go ahead and bite the bullet and get it. This HT project is costing me more and more every day!!!!!
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