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post #1 of 31 Old 10-28-2013, 08:36 PM - Thread Starter
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Starting up a thread on my new theater build. Erskine Group worked on the design, and they will be doing the construction and equipment installation as well.

We’re starting with essentially a concrete bunker that’s about 31’ long, 21’ wide, and 9.5’ high. Total finished space will be around 25’ long (back wall to front of screen wall, screen sits “recessed” in this wall by about 2 feet), 20’ wide, and about 7’ high on platform, 8’ high off platform – that’s head clearance, from carpet to bottom of ceiling coffers. (Note to future HT builders: you really need at least 11 feet of depth to work with, if not 12 or 13…)

We’ll have three rows of seating:

* First row: Sectional, seats 5, about 11-feet from eyeballs to screen
* Second row, on platform: Five Fortress “El Dorado” theater seats, about 18-feet from eyeballs to screen
* Third row, on platform: Four bar stools behind bar counter, about 22-feet from eyeballs to screen

Here’s the equipment we’re putting in, some of which is Erskine-Group-recommended, some of which is my own:

* Screen: Stewart CineCurve StudioTek 130, 2.35:1 AR, left/right masking, 12-feet wide, Microperf
* Projector: Sony VPL-VW1000ES, w/upgrade
* Lens: Isco IIIL

* LCR Speakers: Procella P815
* Surround Speakers: Procella P8
* Subs: Procella P18 (x1), Procella P10Si (x3)
* Pre-amp: Onkyo TX-NR929
* Amps, DSP: QSC

* Sources: Oppo BDP-103, DirecTV, gaming systems
* Video processing: Darbee Darblet
* Power: ExactPower transformer, TrippLite UPS

There is a medium-term plan to upgrade the video (including pre-amp) when 4K standards become better established.

And of course, I've had a great experience so far with Erskine Group and Dennis in particular!

Would be great to hear any thoughts you guys have. smile.gif
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This should be a really nice theater! I look forward to seeing it progress
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Sounds awesome ... I look forward to following this one !

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Would be great to hear any thoughts you guys have. smile.gif

First thought that comes to mind - "Dream system"

That is a seriously good and well-balanced equipment selection.

A few questions....
- Do you plan for two sets of side speakers?
- The Procella P18 is an extremely impressive sub, but are there plans to add a second P18? Not that you don't have 3 15" subs in the 815s and another 3 10" subs with the P10Si....buy hey, why not?/!biggrin.gif
- Which QSC are you considering the 322, 922 or the new Core 250i series?
- Given the scale of your system, had you considered one of the Lumagen Radiance processors with the built-in Darbee technology? http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=news
- Is the Isco lens fixed or will you automate it on a slide?
- Are you going with Quest Acoustic treatments for the room? I assume so, because that's what Dennis specs....

I'm subscribed and looking forward to following along!
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Looks first class all the way. Are you going to use the 4K 1.25 ISCO or the 2K 1.33 ISCO?

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First thought that comes to mind - "Dream system" ... That is a seriously good and well-balanced equipment selection.

Wow, thanks! Obviously Dennis deserves much of the credit.
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A few questions....
- Do you plan for two sets of side speakers?

Yes. 6 total surrounds, 7.1 system.
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- The Procella P18 is an extremely impressive sub, but are there plans to add a second P18? Not that you don't have 3 15" subs in the 815s and another 3 10" subs with the P10Si....buy hey, why not?/!biggrin.gif

smile.gif There's space for a 2nd P18, but for now I'm just sticking with one. If I want to add one later, I think it should be as simple as plugging it and re-calibrating.
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- Which QSC are you considering the 322, 922 or the new Core 250i series?

DSP's are the 922UZ's, amps are DCA-1622/1644. What's the Core 250i about?
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- Given the scale of your system, had you considered one of the Lumagen Radiance processors with the built-in Darbee technology? http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=news

Briefly. But, since I'm planning to upgrade the video in 3-5 years anyway, I didn't want to overspend on the video at this point. I'd imagine we'll add a Lumagen at that point.
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- Is the Isco lens fixed or will you automate it on a slide?

Cineslide.
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- Are you going with Quest Acoustic treatments for the room? I assume so, because that's what Dennis specs....

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I'm subscribed and looking forward to following along!

Nice, thanks!
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Looks first class all the way.

Thanks Mark!
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Are you going to use the 4K 1.25 ISCO or the 2K 1.33 ISCO?

The 1.33, for a few reasons:

(1) It's several thousand cheaper. As stated earlier, I didn't want to overspend on the video.
(2) As I've noted on the 1000ES thread, I suspect that the extra digital processing required in using the 1.25 lens gives a notable hit to image quality.
(3) Probably the biggest reason: The difference between passing 1080p through a lens and 4K is that a pixel width is about 100 microns on the lens in 1080p and 50 microns in 4K. I have a hard time believing that a lens that does a great job of passing 100-micron pixels isn't going to do a great (or at least very good) job passing 50-micron pixels.

Out of curiosity, who's "rating" the lens for 4K? ISCO? Or some 3rd party? I imagine it's ISCO, in which case I frankly don't put much weight on it.
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I'm struggling with the same idea on using the ISCO IIIL/Sony 1000/1100 combo...it looks like people have some mixed feelings/experiences in reading the very long Sony 1000 thread.

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I'm struggling with the same idea on using the ISCO IIIL/Sony 1000/1100 combo...it looks like people have some mixed feelings/experiences in reading the very long Sony 1000 thread.

Long-story short, if you use the 1.33 lens, I believe the digital operations in the Sony are pretty simple. It's a 1.33:1 vertical stretch, which is a procedure that has been around forever, plus an exact 2:1 upscaling. If you use the 1.25:1 lens, it seems like it would either have to stretch both vertically and horizontally, or upscale by a non-even multiple of 2.12:1. Either way, it's extra digital processing that you probably don't want. You do get some added brightness though by maybe 6-7% if you use the 1.25 lens.

Of course, you could zoom as well. For me, my screen size is too big to make that work -- I can't afford the reduction in brightness. Plus, in my mind, it defeats the purpose a little bit of having the higher resolution available.
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Wow - you're certainly going to get some attention with that thread title! Really, really impressive audio list! Looking forward to watching this one come together!

Edit: oh, and those El Dorado seats are beautiful!!

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Wow - you're certainly going to get some attention with that thread title! Really, really impressive audio list! Looking forward to watching this one come together!

Edit: oh, and those eldorado seats are beautiful!!

Thanks man. smile.gif

FYI on the seats: Fortress seats are very highly customizable -- so you can make them as beautiful or as ugly as you like. smile.gif Even in the El Dorado's, there are some I liked a lot, others I didn't like so much. The various model names more or less specify a general shape. You can put nearly whatever leather you like on them, and even play with the various dimensions to some extent.

My chairs will look somewhat like this one:

http://www.fortresseating.com/art/chairs/eldorado02.jpg

But, frankly, my leather won't look quite as nice as this -- wanted something with more durability than the one that's pictured.
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Shares a lot of similarities with my Erskine design--1000ES, Procella (although I saved some money with Triad surrounds), Oppo, DirecTV, Gaming, Quest. Very similar dimensions also. Are you positioning the projector so you can do stand up gaming (Wii, Kinect, etc) and not have the image blocked? I have a couple more feet of height than you so maybe not...

I never did a build thread, for various reasons.

Main regret so far is I am borderline wanting another P18, which actually would be easy to add, but not for my exceeded budget.

Did you look at D-BOX?

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Fantastic list of gear and designer and I really like your rooms dimensions! Subscribed.

I would consider adding a second P18 right now instead of later just to maximize defeating modes as much as possible. It's not a must considering you also have the 3 procella 10s to smooth things out but chances area you'll want and or need it in the end. Not for lack of bass but to smooth things out. Your space is on the large size which i love!

Either way you are gunna have one incredible theater! I'm lookin forward to the build.

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Any updates?

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Our rooms will be identical...well outside of the professional design, 4K projector, bigger dimensions and you are sparing no expense..other then that, identical :-) Looks like it is going to be fantastic and look forward to following your progress.
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This is going to be EPIC!!!! Wow. That gear list is something else.
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I always like seeing HTs using nice speakers. smile.gif

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Any updates?

Nope, nothing particularly new to report. Construction is underway and making progress. smile.gif
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Nope, nothing particularly new to report. Construction is underway and making progress. smile.gif
Cool thanks man. We love construction pics too!

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Subscribed. Sounds like a great project, enjoy!
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Any updates?


Nope, nothing particularly new to report. Construction is underway and making progress.
Many of us would be interested in an update and a few pics if you'd like to share.

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yeah,it's extra digital processing that you probably don't want. You do get some added brightness though by maybe 6-7% if you use the 1.25 lens.thanks [IMG]http://*******/Xv1t7N[/IMG]
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Many of us would be interested in an update and a few pics if you'd like to share.

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I assume you must be watching movies in the lap of luxury by now since this was a turn-key EG project. Would love to see a few pics.
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I assume you must be watching movies in the lap of luxury by now since this was a turn-key EG project. Would love to see a few pics.
Even on a turn-key project, you can't post a title like that and leave us hanging. Otherwise it's basically a "Vaporware" build to us. We need pics to generate awe and jealousy so we can find excuses to overspend on our own projects!
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Dennis just posted some photos on his Erskine Group Facebook page of an Ohio space that's close to being finished and is all 4K with Procella speakers. Maybe it's this theater, maybe not. Either way, it is very sharp. No real theater pics except the baffle wall with the P815s slotted in position, awaiting the screen. Here's one pic. Copyright Dennis Erskine, of course!

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Dennis just posted some photos on his Erskine Group Facebook page of an Ohio space that's close to being finished and is all 4K with Procella speakers. Maybe it's this theater, maybe not. Either way, it is very sharp. No real theater pics except the baffle wall with the P815s slotted in position, awaiting the screen. Here's one pic. Copyright Dennis Erskine, of course!


Welp, that looks sufficiently bada$$ to me. Wow!

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Sorry to leave you all hanging for so long! Got busy of course, and haven't been on the forum much lately. Thanks for your patience.

The room is in fact done. You can check out some photos on the Erskine Group Facebook page. It's not the one you've posted above, it's the one dated August 9th on their page:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Erski...34577633257657

Of course, they did a fantastic job. The room looks, works, and sounds great. Special thanks go out to Steve Kujala, Adam Pelz, Justin Vogel, and of course Dennis Erskine. These guys had to deal with a lot of challenges on this project and handled it all very well. I'd recommend them higly!
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what, no pictures of the racks?
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Nice stone. Is that Eldorado? Looks great!

I used Eldorado stacked ledge in my HT.
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what, no pictures of the racks?
No, but the soffits are pictured, and hidden inside the soffits are the painstakingly run wire chases.
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