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Just had a great time at the gtg. One of the best I have attended. Organization makes a huge difference in getting things done in a timely manner since these gtg's are notorious for running late.

There are a few things that really stuck out in my mind. Possibly because now I feel that at least a few of them are weaknesses in my own room.

The surround field was fantastic. Just like carp said the "all around you" clip was astounding and I knew right away that my own surround field was lacking. I remember that Luke Kamp said "more please" after the clip and I felt the same way. The S8's were dynamic and kept up with the 212's. It seems that desertdome did a great job with the delays and the treatments may have helped with the diffusion. Placement appeared to work too. At any rate the end result was great and it left me thinking about changing my own room. I could install direct radiators instead of dipoles or maybe change treatments or placement of speakers.

The size of the room was just amazing. It is huge. I can't help but think that most of us are stuck trying to make a small room sound big but there is no substitute for having a big room to begin with. It sounds big which is a great thing.

The sony 55 did a great job lighting up that giant screen. The darbee was interesting. Maybe something I will play around with in the future. I don't think I universally liked what it did but when it worked it provided a big wow factor for enhancing detail.

The treatments were well done and it looks like Nyal spent quite a bit of time prescribing treatments instead of using generic applications.

The hvac was a high point. I will be installing a mini split before winter if funds permit. If you have he money then do it right he first time and expect you will need cooling in the dead of winter. I did anticipate this but was already over budget.

I think the 212's are some of the best cinema speakers out there in its price range. They shined in pretty much every clip. I expected no less and they sound similar in my own room even though the dimensions, calibration, and treatments are different.

Overall it was a well planned room and I think the budget was balanced for fantastic results.
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The more feedback I read about the Savoy grand-opening GTG; the more depressed I become at having missed it (had a relative's graduation - schedule conflict)
My belated congratulations to David and his team for a great theater (and GTG) !!!

My "Hawkeye afflicted" brother lives within 20 miles of this location - maybe someday, on my way to/from ISU

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Thanks for the review Grant and it was great to get you up to Iowa. Can't wait til I make my way down your way. You guys have to get your Crawl scheduled.
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This is an amazing space! I can only hope my room turns out half as well!

Can you give any details about how the wainscoting was constructed? Were you columns built in place and then the wainscoting attached to them? How deep are the columns? I noticed on the first post that the layout shows 6" deep, but I suspect from the pictures they are much deeper than that.

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If anyone is interested in a bargain on the first 3 seasons of the Game of Thrones on bluray let me know. I'm through all of them.
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If anyone is interested in a bargain on the first 3 seasons of the Game of Thrones on bluray let me know. I'm through all of them.
Hey I might be. I just finished season 2. I am beyond hooked. How much ya want?
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I have all 3 seasons. You're only looking for season 3?
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I have all 3 seasons. You're only looking for season 3?
Well, I kinda want to have all of the seasons since I like the show so much. But, I have not decided if I really just have to have them.
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$60 shipped for all 3 seasons
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$60 shipped for all 3 seasons
Let's do it.
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If the GOT blu rays don't work I will take them Fun show to get hooked on. My wife and I like Vikings also and ran through the only 2 seasons awhile ago.

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Watched Unstoppable last night with some friends. I forgot what an intense movie that was and pretty good sound effects throughout with all the train motion. One of my friends has never made it through an entire movie without sleeping last until last night...he said it was the most profound movie experience that he has ever had .
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Dlbeck,

I'm thinking of adding some MBMs to my 212 sealed LCRs but I can really only fit 2 well. Can you do some scientific guesstimating about how you think running only 2 of your PB18H+ would do in terms of solidly adding chest-thumping midbass? Thanks.

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Hey David - I think two would work great. I'm actually using only 2 of them when I run two channel anyway for music and there is plenty of mid bass with music. Not much for scientific but my 2 cents.
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Hey David - I think two would work great. I'm actually using only 2 of them when I run two channel anyway for music and there is plenty of mid bass with music. Not much for scientific but my 2 cents.
Have you watched Book of Eli, specifically the scene with the Gatling gun? I'm wondering does the midbass hit you in the chest or is it more like a massage from the back? Midbass is the only thing I'm missing (little lean in my room with 212HT-LPs plus a sink at 100Hz) and I'm hoping that will cure my desire to look at other speakers. Thanks for the feedback.
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Hey David - I think two would work great. I'm actually using only 2 of them when I run two channel anyway for music and there is plenty of mid bass with music. Not much for scientific but my 2 cents.
I am sure he will be happy to hear this.

Once again, I must compliment you on a such a nice theater. David and I were talking about it today and how we need to head up to Des Moines on a road trip.
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I'm thinking of adding some MBMs to my 212 sealed LCRs but I can really only fit 2 well. Can you do some scientific guesstimating about how you think running only 2 of your PB18H+ would do in terms of solidly adding chest-thumping midbass? Thanks.

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I would be VERY interested in following your process and building some myself. I get ALL the back massaging rumble I need in my little room with dual 2400 Submersives. I could certainly grab whatever materials needed and build my own. Perhaps based on your success I could clone them? Just thinking out loud there. Not sure yet either how to implement them either with just a Denon 4520 out to all my speakers. Also I run an Open DRC from mini dsp in the submersives signal chain to get my EQ and house curve there.

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I would be VERY interested in following your process and building some myself. I get ALL the back massaging rumble I need in my little room with dual 2400 Submersives. I could certainly grab whatever materials needed and build my own. Perhaps based on your success I could clone them? Just thinking out loud there. Not sure yet either how to implement them either with just a Denon 4520 out to all my speakers. Also I run an Open DRC from mini dsp in the submersives signal chain to get my EQ and house curve there.
I'll probably order the midbass drivers in a few weeks and will definitely post my progress although I'll likely design them to fit in between a pair of studs with only a few inches poking out into the room. I'll have to find a quiet pro amp to power the midbasses or just go ahead and buy a DSonic amp to run my LCRs and MBMs.

Regarding your 4520, you could use Sub1 for your MBMs and Sub2 for your subs. But I think you'd want some DSP on your MBMs too.

For DSP, I currently have a MiniDSP NanoAVR and MiniDSP 10x10 but I'll likely follow Dlbeck's lead and switch to Jriver. Computer is in the process of being built.
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I'll probably order the midbass drivers in a few weeks and will definitely post my progress although I'll likely design them to fit in between a pair of studs with only a few inches poking out into the room. I'll have to find a quiet pro amp to power the midbasses or just go ahead and buy a DSonic amp to run my LCRs and MBMs.

Regarding your 4520, you could use Sub1 for your MBMs and Sub2 for your subs. But I think you'd want some DSP on your MBMs too.

For DSP, I currently have a MiniDSP NanoAVR and MiniDSP 10x10 but I'll likely follow Dlbeck's lead and switch to Jriver. Computer is in the process of being built.
The NanoAVR is in my setup now...but like Dgage, I am looking at JRiver after he gets his done.
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There are certainly lots of advantages with JRiver but it also comes with some disadvantages. The main two disadvantages I see if you have a setup like me is that you can't easily hook up other sources and integrate them into your audio. Second one would be the recognition of chapters on any disc media. You can break it down using MKv but takes time and effort.

Also, just a point on the mid bass - you have to have it 5-10 dB over reference to get good thumping bass. You can feel it at lower volumes but it doesn't become pronounced until you click that volume dial up. Is that the case with everyone?
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Yeah 10dB over reference on the MV plus +10dB house curve really get things going.
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There are certainly lots of advantages with JRiver but it also comes with some disadvantages. The main two disadvantages I see if you have a setup like me is that you can't easily hook up other sources and integrate them into your audio. Second one would be the recognition of chapters on any disc media. You can break it down using MKv but takes time and effort.

Also, just a point on the mid bass - you have to have it 5-10 dB over reference to get good thumping bass. You can feel it at lower volumes but it doesn't become pronounced until you click that volume dial up. Is that the case with everyone?
No not for me. The voice of reason strikes! Our listening ranges from -20 on crazy loud tracks to around -12 on quieter tracks. Prob avg right at -17.5. But for example my subs, between the post XT32 trim bump (from -8.5 to 3.5), PGM 2 on the Submersives (+3db at about 45hz on down), and low shelf via Open DRC mini dsp unit (+5db on the gain at about 65hz.) I am certainly not on the same averages when it comes to my LFE channel lol! I was generally thinking the same could be done. Kinda like creating a FR response just like Brandon, beast, has. Perhaps all this should be cast aside until a dedicated room can be done.

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There are certainly lots of advantages with JRiver but it also comes with some disadvantages. The main two disadvantages I see if you have a setup like me is that you can't easily hook up other sources and integrate them into your audio. Second one would be the recognition of chapters on any disc media. You can break it down using MKv but takes time and effort.

Also, just a point on the mid bass - you have to have it 5-10 dB over reference to get good thumping bass. You can feel it at lower volumes but it doesn't become pronounced until you click that volume dial up. Is that the case with everyone?
Thanks for the feedback dlbeck. Putting my Tivo into Jriver to watch football games is definitely one of the things I'm worried about.

Regarding the midbass, I have the sealed 212HT-LPs and I really think they might be a little light in the midbass region, especially when you have a room mode that drops 10 db at 100Hz. And since I want to feel the gatling gun hitting me in the chest like a sonic boom instead of the back massage my subs give me, that is why I want the MBMs. Otherwise I'll probably spend more money trying to find speakers with more midbass. So it doesn't surprise me that you have to dial up the volume to make it move.
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Thanks for posting that! That will be a big help when I start building my columns.

Is that 9" depth just to the wainscoting, or is that from the front of the column to the drywall?

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Thanks for posting that! That will be a big help when I start building my columns.

Is that 9" depth just to the wainscoting, or is that from the front of the column to the drywall?
9" to the wainscot and them another 7" of depth to the real wall.
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Does anyone have a good recommendation for outdoor speakers? Iowa weather - can remove in winter - SPL more important than a good FR curve.

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