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Just wait Tim...62 degrees for you when you finally get your a$$ to the Savoy!
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There's something super cool about having your head at the screen's center height. I've never experienced that before in a home theater.
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I picked that up from some thread on AVS. Have the back row so their eyes are at the centerline of the screen. This also allows you to place your LCR in the middle of the screen so the tweeters are at ear height...at least with the JTR 212's. My front row drops 12" so they have a slight angle up but figured if you want to sit in the front you want that more immersive experience anyway.
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I wouldn't know, I think that I've only sat in the front row...

Just kidding. I've been in both. Still wish that I had more reason to make the drive to your place. 2 hours doesn't seem bad until you are driving home at night. Then you realize that you spent 4 hours driving and wish that you were in bed. Heck, even when my oldest was going to Drake, I don't think that I could find a way to get back to your place. The fact that she was in school there was what brought us to Des Moines, but then we were always busy with family stuff (which is a good thing) that I couldn't justify getting away.

Someday I'll make it back... Someday...
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I picked that up from some thread on AVS. Have the back row so their eyes are at the centerline of the screen. This also allows you to place your LCR in the middle of the screen so the tweeters are at ear height...at least with the JTR 212's. My front row drops 12" so they have a slight angle up but figured if you want to sit in the front you want that more immersive experience anyway.
Yeah, I liked that.
It would be fun to move up front occasionally for more immersion, video games, or 3D movies.
It might be interesting to get a slightly wider viewing angle and odd number of seats in the back row, to really dial it in for the 80% use case.
With some narrower seats I could maybe fit 5 in back. It would probably require going with straight rows, which is a bummer. The curved rows are really nice. Can't have everything.
Also, I'm curious about fitting in nearfield subs somehow.
I wonder how transducers/actuators compare to nearfield subs.
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David, how far are your eyes from the screen when you are sitting in the front row?
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David, how far are your eyes from the screen when you are sitting in the front row?
It is about 12' for first row and 18' for second row.
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I had the pleasure of experiencing David's theater this weekend.

This is perhaps the highest compliment I can give: This is going to be the model for my theater.

Aside from great audio/video and looks, it's just a great feeling place to spend time.

I too had the pleasure of getting some seat time in The Savoy. Definitely the highlight of a pretty incredible
week based around the 2017 KC HT Crawl, which in itself was a pretty fantastic experience.

I am still looking to put it all into proper perspective (less the excitement quotient!), but that awesome experience
is already causing some major changes to my gear. Major rack churn started here.

DesertDome, is there any MOTU that can future proof for ATMOS (Thunderbolt or USB 3.0/3.1) for when ATMOS software
becomes available? Not that the 1248 and 7.1 wasn't attractive enough. I can see jumping in with the 1248, and being
completely happy with 7.1, but I wonder about maybe hedging my bets on ATMOS.
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Good, practical solutions for Atmos plus good room correction are still vaporware.

I'm still waiting on the sidelines to go to Atmos, until we have a good option.
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I won't be doing room correction if I can help it... The room and it's acoustical treatments will handle that.
Otherwise, DIRAC might be doing some small corrections, if need be.


I also am on the ATMOS sidelines for now (and maybe never). But if I am buying a new MOTU, I am weighing
the value of being future proofed by having backer boxes in, for overhead channels, and not having to repurchase
a new audio front end. My base line is the MOTU 1248 and 7.1 (and 1080P) and truth be told, I could be quite happy
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It is about 12' for first row and 18' for second row.
Thanks DD. I even measured this on Saturday and forgot to respond. Yes I'm one inch short of 12' from screen to eyes in the front row.
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DesertDome, is there any MOTU that can future proof for ATMOS (Thunderbolt or USB 3.0/3.1) for when ATMOS software
becomes available? Not that the 1248 and 7.1 wasn't attractive enough. I can see jumping in with the 1248, and being
completely happy with 7.1, but I wonder about maybe hedging my bets on ATMOS.
The MOTU 1248 has 12 inputs and 12 outputs so will work with 7.1.4. Four of the inputs have a mic pre-amp, but that isn't really an issue. However, an HTPC currently can't decode Atmos but it can bitstream Atmos. The OPPO 203 plays nice with my HTPC in that I can use the OPPO's 7.1 analog outs into the MOTU 1248 and play either from the OPPO or the HTPC and all content is routed to the speakers with the MOTU handling bass EQ. If the upcoming OPPO 205 has 11.1 analog outputs, then it could be used in conjunction with an HTPC and a MOTU 1248 for an Atmos solution. However, using an HPTC and OPPO 203 with Yamaha CX-A5100 is probably easier and you basically get the same result.
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I find that all very informative and very interesting!

(Thank you for all that, you just sold me on a MOTU 1248.)

I do have external amps and an Oppo 105. Now a 205 with internal DAC would be awesome.

So maybe the 105 + 205 + htpc means maybe I should be looking at what's available to switch inputs and usb?
And it solves the D-box control questions I was wondering about...

I was prepared to wait for 4K optical drives and software. The htpc case can accommodate a second 5.25: optical drive.
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I was prepared to wait for 4K optical drives and software. The htpc case can accommodate a second 5.25: optical drive.
4K capable drives are already available (LG WH16NS40 comes to mind off hand) but the encryption has yet to be cracked on the discs.

I keep confusing my intentions with my abilities.
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4K capable drives are already available (LG WH16NS40 comes to mind off hand) but the encryption has yet to be cracked on the discs.
And even then it may never happen. BDXL does not guarantee 4K/UHD playback.

And Pioneer announced the "first" real 4K player, but dang, might as well start planning a high powered new HTPC to get it to work.

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreak...ay-drive-4k-pc
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Just noticed your 3 horsemen and 212's listed... For all the glowing reviews your theater gets, I can't imagine how you could upgrade!! What's the plan?
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Just noticed your 3 horsemen and 212's listed... For all the glowing reviews your theater gets, I can't imagine how you could upgrade!! What's the plan?


212RT's

Are you hoping for an improvement David or just itching to try something new?


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Little bit of both...should be an improvement in the mid bass and gives me a chance to reduce the number of channels (less complexity, less amps, etc)
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Little bit of both...should be an improvement in the mid bass and gives me a chance to reduce the number of channels (less complexity, less amps, etc)
Does that mean you are getting rid of the mbm's? Yeah, I assume you won't need them anymore with the 212 RT's.
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Sounds like he is selling 3 of the 4. Probably keeping the rear one for that extra midbass punch for the surrounds...

I personally am looking forward to the upgrades!
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Does that mean you are getting rid of the mbm's? Yeah, I assume you won't need them anymore with the 212 RT's.
Potentially but only if the 212's sell as well. Not a huge deal to upgrade but if it works out then great.
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