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post #1231 of 1518 Old 07-30-2014, 02:28 PM
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Matt,

subs is something you can add later. I am. Start with something. Build on it when you get more $$$. That's fun anyways and something to look forward to after your theater is "completed"

4 subs is still "enough" to start and let's be honest even if you add four more it's still not "enough" because "too much is almost enough"right ?


4 Subs will sound great. 8 will sound better. Adding smoothing even better. After all that you could add 32 more This isn't a one lap race, so no reason you need it all upfront. Just design the room to accommodate adding more at a later date easily with location, pre wireing, etc..

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235db !

hmmm.... Scratch that off my bucket list

Haha!.

But seriously your theater is going to be amazing and BTW your thread is going to have 100k views before you install a carpet. Well done on that too.

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Matt,

subs is something you can add later. I am. Start with something. Build on it when you get more $$$. That's fun anyways and something to look forward to after your theater is "completed"

4 subs is still "enough" to start and let's be honest even if you add four more it's still not "enough" because "too much is almost enough"right ?


4 Subs will sound great. 8 will sound better. Adding smoothing even better. After all that you could add 32 more This isn't a one lap race, so no reason you need it all upfront. Just design the room to accommodate adding more at a later date easily with location, pre wireing, etc..

I just learned this:
In case you are wondering how loud your home theater has to be to blow girls clothes off: Need help designing serious bass solution for a big theater..horns vs ported or both?

235db !

hmmm.... Scratch that off my bucket list

Haha!.

But seriously your theater is going to be amazing and BTW your thread is going to have 100k views before you install a carpet. Well done on that too.
HAHAHAA@100k views before carpet!!! That's funny. I appreciate the support on this build---it's a stressful one. I have to call a structural engineer to draw up plans for widening a doorway in a load-bearing wall. Honestly, I'm sick and tired on spending money on things not related to actual theater construction. But hey--when one dreams a lofty dream, one cannot let minor obstacles interrupt the path leading from dream to reality. Thus Sunday I plan to make a serious dent in the double drywall between the joists. I haven't really had the time to do that, but I need to do it before we start wiring.

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I hear you. That sucks. If it's any consolation I removed the entire load bearing wall between my kitchen and dining room (half the house) myself and just guessed at the beam lol. Not advising that. But it's still fine 10 years later. I just figured 4 2x12's would be enough for a 15ft span. I might be wrong ... lol We'll see if it falls down. (joking) But you could just skip the engineer part and grab some engineered beams that are in clear excess of the strength you need and throw them up. It would save you cash, even overspending on the beam. The beams are not much $$$. They suspend crazy things with them over long spans so while I don't know your space I suspect it would be sufficient. Excess wins! Look for "LVL" (Laminated Veneer Lumber) beams or ask your local lumber yard for an engineered beam and explain what you are doing they can get you a quick quote. I've seen some really huge home with long spans get held up by stuff like that so I'd be confident in it's ability. Especially over a short span.

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here is the wall in question and unfortunately the soffit obsures the view. All of the ceiling joists which end at the stair well sit on the wall, two additional short joists at the top of the stairs are hidden from view. they sit directly above the double studs on the right side of the door way. In retrospect that wall probably should have additional cross blocking given the number of joists resting on it.

We want to widen that doorway. It is currently only large enough for a 24 inch door and not big enough to remove the water heater from the basement. I think we can put an appropriate size header spanning the wider door, but I'm not going to make the structural determination.

The surgery required isn't going to be a cake walk as the under stairs area is drywalled and the then there is the existing soffit framing on this side.


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Oh I see. Nice pic. I agree with you on making the determination. It's once thing if a home owner decides something, but I wouldn't do it in your shoes either.

I can't really see past the soffit but I am assuming this is all on the other side of that soffit ? (how do you spell "soffit" ?)


Jeff, are you doing this work or is this being subbed out ?

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Beast and I will probably do it once we have a consultants plan.


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Beast, do you recall the product name of the lense you bought from Edmonds Optics for your hushbox?? I am building one and am having trouble finding that product on their website. Thanks.
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I should have worded that more carefully. I did not mean a step down in subs because clearly your are not lacking there. I meant would you have to step down in your projector choice for the time being so you can do everything you want to do(personal and HT wise).
Yup! 'Tis correct! We'll see what happens though. CEDIA will let me know quite a bit!

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Sure, here it is: http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/w...windows/43-973

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Beast, do you recall the product name of the lense you bought from Edmonds Optics for your hushbox?? I am building one and am having trouble finding that product on their website. Thanks.
Where is your build thread?

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Thanks Beast, this will come in handy.
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Playing around with riser design. A single rectangular riser just won't do. Any thoughts on the steps (or anything else regarding the riser)?


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Cool idea. A tad dark to see. Lighten it up.

One thought is the curve ends too soon so if your are entering the second row from the side you end up taking a double step. Continue the curve a little farth back so the step is on the side too.

REEDZONE had a nice riser design. Ever seen it ?

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Cool idea. A tad dark to see. Lighten it up.

One thought is the curve ends too soon so if your are entering the second row from the side you end up taking a double step. Continue the curve a little farth back so the step is on the side too.

REEDZONE had a nice riser design. Ever seen it ?
Great advice! I'll work on the riser design (and lighten up the pic tomorrow). I haven't heard of the reedzone riser....ill need to search for that,
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Today was spent doing HW from Big: digging-in on the drywall between joists operation. Got the first layer drywall pieces cut today....that was tough, but not as tough as the second layer will be. tomorrow the Mrs. and I will be loading green glue onto these dusty rectangles and attsching layer one to the subfloor. All of layer 2 won't get done this week, but the perimeter will have two layers for framing purposes, amd I'll work on the middle of the ceiling after next Sunday's activity.
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Today was spent doing HW from Big: digging-in on the drywall between joists operation. Got the first layer drywall pieces cut today....that was tough, but not as tough as the second layer will be. tomorrow the Mrs. and I will be loading green glue onto these dusty rectangles and attsching layer one to the subfloor. All of layer 2 won't get done this week, but the perimeter will have two layers for framing purposes, amd I'll work on the middle of the ceiling after next Sunday's activity.
i remember doing that also ...you look at and think ah this will be nothing will get it done fast....Wrong!!!


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Today was spent doing HW from Big: digging-in on the drywall between joists operation. Got the first layer drywall pieces cut today....that was tough, but not as tough as the second layer will be. tomorrow the Mrs. and I will be loading green glue onto these dusty rectangles and attsching layer one to the subfloor. All of layer 2 won't get done this week, but the perimeter will have two layers for framing purposes, amd I'll work on the middle of the ceiling after next Sunday's activity.
I HATED doing this part of the project in my theater. Good luck to you!
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i remember doing that also ...you look at and think ah this will be nothing will get it done fast....Wrong!!!
lol, man, although I expected the tedium associated with the task, I didnt anticipate just how long it would take. And after layer one, we get to do it all over again! Lol....but hey, I view these challenges as rites of passage! I'm not the first, and I shan't be the last.

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I HATED doing this part of the project in my theater. Good luck to you!
I totally understand the hatred behind the task! It's makes a person think things like "one or two footfalls from above wouldn't be thaaaaat bad." Lol....but then I remember the "TURN-IT-DOWN!" horror stories, and I keep pushing forward!
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lol, man, although I expected the tedium associated with the task, I didnt anticipate just how long it would take. And after layer one, we get to do it all over again! Lol....but hey, I view these challenges as rites of passage! I'm not the first, and I shan't be the last.



I totally understand the hatred behind the task! It's makes a person think things like "one or two footfalls from above wouldn't be thaaaaat bad." Lol....but then I remember the "TURN-IT-DOWN!" horror stories, and I keep pushing forward!

be careful around your sprinklers and make sure when you get them lowered your there to watch the work be done ..my friend has started his theater and is doing clips and channel and two layers of DW so the sprinkler obviously needs to be lowered. the guy came out broke a pipe panicked cut a nasty whole in the adjacent bathroom ceiling to fix his mistake...needless to say the sprinkler head work was done for free ..... tips though the cost should be 100$ and hour min 2 hours and if you have 3 to 4 heads in your space he should be done within 1.5 hours if they know what there doing. I will not recommend the guy my friend used to you for the obvious reasons .... just thought you maybe happy to hear that this modification to your room should not cost you a small fortune. also if they are nice they will give the cups that go around the sprinkler heads.


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Is sprinkler system required as code in a basement? Or is this just a premium option ? Seems like sprinklers spraying your gear and carpet is as much a detrimental threat as a real fire. In the event of a small house fire would an activated sprinkler system and the damages from that be covered by insurance?

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Yeah, just put in a Halon fire suppression system....it would probably only cost as much as your entire house!


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Is sprinkler system required as code in a basement? Or is this just a premium option ? Seems like sprinklers spraying your gear and carpet is as much a detrimental threat as a real fire. In the event of a small house fire would an activated sprinkler system and the damages from that be covered by insurance?
its code for Maryland no way getting around it .... also they have strict rules on there spacing.


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Yeah, just put in a Halon fire suppression system....it would probably only cost as much as your entire house!

and i think those systems are usually used in server farms and are under the raised floors? but yep $$$$$$$$$$


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Maybe I can just attach weights to the handles of fire extinguishers and suspend them by a melt-ready cable. Heat melts the cable, weight swings against handle, fire extinguishers put out fire. Wait....this started as a joke, but now it sounds like I'm actually thinking this through. Stop me, somebody!

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Or let your house burn...

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its code for Maryland no way getting around it .... also they have strict rules on there spacing.
You guys have a lot of fires or something? That's not around here. It doesn't seem like house fires are very common either. I almost never hear of any.

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You guys have a lot of fires or something? That's not around here. It doesn't seem like house fires are very common either. I almost never hear of any.
Its a Maryland thing , I'm in Virginia... not sure why they have that rule/code there you would think it be something for California where there are a lot brush fires and stuff.


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