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post #1 of 33 Old 11-24-2013, 07:19 PM - Thread Starter
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How can you start a Theater thread without a name? Finally, someone on AVS said they had been to Toronto, "Why not make it a winter theme?" confused.gif I was hooked on Game of Thrones at the time; I have a turret and a big tree, so there you go!

A HT has been something stuck in my head since my wife and I bought this 1907 house 22 years ago. It has evolved a bit. Originally I was going to start restoration with the inclusion of an addition. The HT would seat maybe 5 or 6, more with pillows. A massive 50 or 60" screen and an awesome stereo system. biggrin.gif

The addition didn't happen, so a space in the existing basement looked good, but we were using it as a bedroom.

Around 2001, I was taken to a Lenbrook warehouse sale, I swear to god I wasn't going to buy anything! I came away with a small PSB 5.1 set of studio test speakers and a new Marantz DVD player for under $500! Which is still in use.

Zoom ahead to 2009 and planning construction Phase ?, I've lost count, and that addition is becoming reality. With a few modifications. The screen was going to be a little bigger and a few more speakers! Oh, and no "planned" pillow seating. biggrin.gif

I wasn't on AVS yet. I think I had stumbled on it once but lost it. My research included talking to several high end Audio shops. One place had a fantastic theater set up. I was impressed, until one visit when my salesman was busy, he set me up in the "other" theater. Later, when asked what I thought, I said the sound sucks, how often does this happen? The response was, "We've done 8 so far, 2 are good." Thank you, bye.

I talked to a contractor who had installed two theaters in my neighbourhood. I asked him about room dimensions ratios and he said he just builds a room and lets the audio guys deal with it.

I reached out to my A/V repair guy. He put me in touch with a friend who used to design audiophile speakers in the 80's. We met and got ourselves so worked up about the possibilities that we could do for only, money! I haven't forgotten him, he has some very interesting ideas!

Now I am here. I am following 3 or 4 builds and get shot off to others to follow a conversation. You guys really are fantastic!!! A wealth of knowledge and experience. I love the exchange of ideas, even if my advice isn't followed to the letter. biggrin.gif

When designing the addition, I stretched the perimeters to the max, without involving the committee of adjustments. My building inspector/friend remembered a bylaw that permitted the basement to extend past the maximum depth of the house by 2.5 meters (8.5') in the basement. smile.gif I went from having a 16' x 17' to 16' x 26' HT and 9' high stepping down to 11'. I appreciate having a concrete step has negative potentials, but with out having a final theater design/designer, everything is pushed to the limits of what I could build. Reality could be built within it!

I picked up a new Bryston 9B SST on line for a steal when the CDN$ was high and it had been bought by the reseller when our $ was in the sewer. It came all the way from Texas, and is actually made only 150 km from Toronto. Unfortunately, my proposed system turned into 7.1 and then jumped to 11.? So, no more equipment buying until I need it!!! ...OK, I had a weak moment a year later when a vintage 1990 McIntosh stereo system fell into my lap with an estimated 100 hours on it!

My goal was to build a combined HT and music listening room. STOP YOUR EYES FROM ROLLING!!! I have sold out and am building a dedicated HT, BUT it will have a dedicated stereo system installed, and I will play with movable/exchangeable surfaces/panels to experiment...

So, some pictures. I've spent the weekend trying to upload 54 pictures into Photobucket. The album wouldn't keep the title or the description without going back and forth, re-pasting the description until it "clicked". If anyone has any insight as to the problem...

This first group of pictures is the construction of the addition which will house the HT. The kitchen being operational, was something of a priority, so it is brought to such a state, with a "few" things left to do...biggrin.gif

Here we go! Of course, ask what ever Q's...

EDIT: Click on 1st picture to show the description, then use the arrows on the picture to navigate through the pictures.

0001 Let’s get this party started!
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0002 5 minutes into it!
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0003 2 hours into it. 1st of two 40 yd bins.
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0004 2nd day was Halloween. The operator "dropped" a brick when he showed up and opened the door!
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0005 Wife's not here. Go a little deeper!
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0006 Footings laid out ready for concrete.
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0007 Concrete pump truck set up, waiting for concrete truck.
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0008 Waiting...
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0009 Footings stripped, ready for foundation walls.
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0010 HT is the room on the right with the 2' step.
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0011 Pile of rebar for the poured concrete walls.
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0012 Starting the foundation forms.
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0013 These blocks make up for those of us deprived of Flintstones Building Blocks as a kid!
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0014 OK, the door isn't going to fit here.
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0015 Rat in the maze.
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0017 Foundation ready for braces and concrete.
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0018 Aerial view.
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0019 HT walls ready to pour.
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0020 Pouring the foundation walls and parking pad (roof of wine cellar).
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0021 Walls filled.
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0022 parking pad.
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0023 Gravel spread.
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0024 Steel Concrete forms in place. Starting on the rebar.
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0025 Rebar in place. Red tube is radiant floor heating. Ready for concrete.
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0026 Exterior stairs.
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0027 SNOW!!!!! mad.gif
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0028 After cleaning all the snow out of the forms with our bare hands, we poured the 1st floor and stairs.
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0029 We pulled the blue tarp over to enclose the floor so I could feed the hydro meter to heat the space. -4 C.
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0030 Start the 1st fl walls.
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0031 Walls poured and tops protected from the cold.
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0032 Beams to support smaller foot print of 2nd fl going in. Window stuffed with insulation to try and stop draft.
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0033 Sky hooks support brick while a 16' beam goes in over future opening to existing house.
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0034 Beams getting welded.
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0035 When it's cold we move fast. 2nd fl framed, 2nd fl walls framed and sheathed, 3rd floor deck framed.
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0036 Bell roofs framed. Waiting for windows. More snow.
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0037 HT. Section of insulated ceiling is under exterior terrace. Floor sprayed for insulation and vapour barrier. 2 lb foam.
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0038 HT upper section. Four 2" conduits run from the front to the back.
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0039 HT radiant floor heating.
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0040 HT upper section and doorway to hall.
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0041 Starting electrical. Wires get routered into foam. Note copper tube above window. It is irrigation for the planter boxes inside at the bottom of each window. Boxes also have drains. Many people have pointed out that it is cheaper to buy herbs at the store... Most windows in. Lead Glass panels are made by a friend from 100 year-old drawn glass that I've collected. They match the pattern in the front of the house.
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0042 Ceiling under 2nd fl bathroom. Iron drains deaden sound. Silver Spacepak ducts for A/C. Old joists reinforced with plywood. All pipes penetrating a joist or stud get foam or silicone to eliminate squeaking against the wood. The grey beam is over the new opening.
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0043 1/2 lb foam going into the roof around skylight.
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0044 section of existing wall with 1/2 lb foam. Iron drain pipe got foam. You can barely hear it!
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0045 Kitchen wiring layout. Water to stove pot filler. Water...electricity? Is there a problem?
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0046 DW's here. This is 5/8 abuse resistant DW and is 50% heavier than regular 5/8 board. Resilient track and sound insulation is in ceiling. Brick wall is now open to old kitchen at right.
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0047 Red tubes for new bedroom rads. White tube is water for 2nd fl deck. Blue wires for ceiling speakers. Silver tubes are A/C ducts.
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0048 DW up and almost finished.
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0049 Cherry cabinets going in.
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0050 After much hunting, we found a quartz from Italy that we liked. These were the last 2 pieces and they are “book matched”.
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0051 Cabinets in, waiting for counters.
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0052 Kitchen operational. Bulk head still open waiting for the wires I hadn't thought of...and still thinking of. The floor, which is over the HT is a total of 16 in. thick: 8 in. concrete rib, 6 in. slab, 5 mm acoustic mat glued down with acoustic glue, 3/4 in. ply glued down with acoustic glue, 3/4 hardwood floor.
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0053 Command central.
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0054 Guess who's coming for dinner! ;-)
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Now I have a room and unfortunately for now it has become my carpentry shop until I can finalize the plans and generate some more of that green stuff. I will present what I am thinking for general layout, hopefully in the coming week. Thank you for taking the time to look. I would appreciate any comments you might have. Now I have to go make dinner!
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It worked! biggrin.gif

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Wait a minute. You have to click on the picture to get the description. Is this normal??? Anyways click on the first picture and view as a slide show. I'm just not sure this computer thing is going to catch on! cool.gif

EDIT: OK so apparently #'s and descriptions don't travel with the pictures from Photobucket, in case anybody else was wondering. The captions have to be typed onto the AVS page manually. frown.gif

So the first entry now has the captions cut and pasted...only two hours...biggrin.gif

I know how Obama felt with his health care computer enrollment roll out! mad.gif

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WOW! kitchen is stunning! really.....gorgeous. best wishes for the rest of your project smile.gif

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Thanks Ijmart. I have to tell you it is fun to cook in! It replaces a kitchen that had 2' of workable counter space. Cooking is my other passion.

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Yes! Picture thread!! *thumbs up*

Next time, do give your workers a lunch break in time...

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Great to see Jim. Let me know if you need some woodworking tips. Some guy in Canada shared with me a good tip or two and I'd be happy to share with you.
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Yeah, that's right psychdoc - just bump him, we want to see some progress!

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I was going to go with, "Stunning", but someone already mentioned it. Frankly, you had me at Winterfell.
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I knew this would happen! Exposing myself with a thread after only 22 years in the works... Yes I am actually going down there today to deal with some of the other projects that have taken over the space.

I've gotten the badly cupped Abaco 5/4 decking replaced with 5/4 Ipe. The 20' Abaco boards are getting cut up into wine racking (Sorry Psychdoc - no racking for beer. ). After minimal milling the wood looks like new. Motivation here, is my A/C guy has finally booked me for Friday to connect the A/C unit which I installed 5 month ago and had the line set run, so it could be vacuumed and charged during the slow season...

The other pile of wood is Douglas Fir to be ripped into 1" strips to glue up for cores for the 14 more 7 panel doors I need to finish the addition. These get skinned with 1/4" White Oak.

...and I'm connected with a designer via another member...just waiting on a quote...

I will try to get the sketches up that I started to draw...either I'm using different formulas or ???, but seating distances and screen size don't seem to working out the same as "before". Before, everything seemed to work...now, not so much.

Psychdoc was the inspiration of the theater name - "something to reflect the north"...and I have an English Oak growing.

I hear that Canadian woodworker is a real slacker. What I need is someone with military training to get the workforce off their ass. And I hear that Swede is almost finished. I'm sure he'll be looking for a new project...

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Military didn't draft me due to my medical issues, so it won't work to send any my way.

I'm not soon finished, grand opening still planned for mid-2017.

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Bump! Any progress?

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....well, not so much. Shoemaker's barefoot children, and all that. I'm on my 3rd house reno since spring, so there has been NO time for the home front. OK, I did get the wine cellar A/C up and running BEFORE the end of summer and a good start on the racking. The "theater" does make a great carpentry shop! Hopefully, I can get back to focusing on the room by mid November. The deadline on the current job.

Daughter #2 , the pack rat, moved back from university and so everything from her apparently very well stocked apartment followed her. Every "free" bit of space in the house is packed with her STUFF! I don't know where she gets this trait from...

However! I'm glad to see that you are on the home stretch and can now sit and enjoy the fruits of your labour!!! I'm still trying to imagine the bass that can cause the light details to fall off...!

Should I promise to have something posted by the end of November?....am I that stupid?

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In the immortal words of Douglas Adams:

"I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by."
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Subscribed. Another Canadian project . Loved the skeleton in the excavator ! Keep rockin this build . I am watching from Caledonia, Ontario.
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Ya, the operator loved it too. It was Halloween. When he went to get into his machine in the morning he must have jumped back 4 feet! He laughed after swallowing his heart and changing his...he laughed!
Oh oh, with an audience does this mean that I actually have to show progress? Welcome aboard 69glamboy!

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That it does! How are things looking?

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That's a good question. Do you have any more of those?

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Well I got something done that is related to the theater, in that it is one more pile of wood gone from the space.

I had done two roof decks with a Brazilian wood sold as Abaco which is actually Massaranduba. The wood had been Kiln dried, which is not so good for this wood if it is used outside. So when it cupped like crazy, my supplier replaced it with Ipe and I got to keep the "scrap", about $5,000 wholesale cost. I thought to myself, "Wouldn't that make lovely wine racking...and it won't rot." So I cut the 20' long 5/4 x 6" boards into 3/4" x 2" stiles and 11" x 3/4" x 3/4" rails; that’s 58 stiles and 2,434 plus, rails, all routered with an 1/8 round over. This wood is 3,290 on the Janka scale, so it finishes smooth as a babies butt with a carbide blade, but is a little difficult to nail. 18 gauge nails will split it and the only SS nail I could get smaller for a nail gun was 23 gauge. These "pins" like to follow the grain, but I found that if you grind the chisel end flat it will "more" likely punch through straight-ish-er. The odd piece would send every pin any direction but where you wanted it, coming out the side or back at you. Some would even come out like a cork screw! In all, to fasten 2,434 rails onto the stiles I used 13,000 SS pins. Because the wood is so hard, it was a little hard on the gun's driver. I obliterated 4 drivers. Fortunately, I had great support from the Canadian Grex distributor, and even got to be the first in Canada to try the new 23 gauge Super pinner prototype.

Everybody kept asking, "Is this free wood worth all the extra work?” By the end of it, I was asking, "Is this f%$W$@g "free" wood worth it?" Not sure, but it is done!!! 1217 bottle capacity.

Now, to start cataloging the wine we have... ;-)

The next pile of wood is Douglas Fir that is now cut into 1" x 2" strips to be glued into 5" x 2" cores which get skinned in 1/8" White Oak veneers for the stiles and rails to make 12 more 7 panel doors, FOUR OF WHICH ARE FOR THE HT!!!

Oh, I finally got the irrigation system connected to the kitchen window boxes. I'm trying to find grow lights that can be focused to an 8" x 32" sill from 5' above. The plants get the water they need but suffer from lack of sun during our winters, even though the windows face south. Most of the herbs look pretty sad but the Jamaican Thyme and Scotch Bonnet peppers are quite happy...go figure. ;-)

I have pictures, but once again I am having problems uploading them. Photobucket isn't working, as it did and the drag and drop won't accept them. When I figure it out...

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Kitchen looks awesome! Can't wait to see what you do with your HT space. How about some wine rack pics? I built mine out of pine, and it was still a PITA without having to worry about nails bending.

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Jim... I'd like to see the wine rack pics as well lol. Keep trying to post.
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3 shots of the cellar. The standard space will fit all regular wine bottles. I have two columns for Magnums (They will also fit Scotch bottles Bjorn, there is one!) and weird shaped bottles, 3 for Champagne and sparkling wine, and 4 for Icewine (I am Canadian, eh!) and demi's (These will also fit beer bottles Matt! ). I still have to label the bins; Letters around the top and number down, so I can find the bottle I'm looking for, using a cellaring program.


The corners are my own design with a single front stile to save space. The straight sections are made up of "ladders" made in the style of a couple of brands with added router work, but proportioned to more efficiently fit bottles and the height of my ceiling (around 7 feet). I drew many configurations until I committed to these proportions (yes, given my computer skills, with a ruler, a compass and paper ). A supplier's site design software calculated that I could store approximately 850 bottles using their racks. By playing with the proportions the final count is 1217 bottles. Because I was floor to ceiling, I started by mounting the 2 top and 2 bottom tracks, pre-dadoed to take the ladders. Each ladder was then fitted and slid in. They are held in place with the horizontal blocks (2 out front and 2 in back) to keep things straight and rigid.


This cellar is actually outside of my house's footprint. Because it is completely underground and uber insulated down to 4 ft below grade and nothing below 4 ft, it will actually stay around 56 F during the winter. The chiller will keep it there the rest of the year. This was supposed to be on the North corner of the house but got moved to the South side to maximize the size of the theater. Priorities! It is under one of my parking spaces. And yes I was holding my breath the first time I parked a 2 tonne minivan on top of it! With the R & D and all my time plus $4k for the free Abaco, I shudder to think that this cost me around $13,500. About what it would have cost me to higher one of the cellar companies, except with better wood and 400 less bottles.


The Kitchen window boxes, complete with irrigation and drainage (from cloth covered gravel bed in each box to a common drain to the house sewer).


Jamaican Thyme and Scotch Bonnet peppers (for Jerk and Peas and Rice) seem to be satisfied with the amount of light. The Thyme is a vine that wraps around the balustrade for about 10 ft.


Each box has 3 drippers that can be adjusted individually (black post with green cap). These are grocery store variety Red Bell Peppers grown from their seeds that seem to be miniature.
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Wow! With your skills on display here, I can't wait to see how the theatre develops!
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Lovely wine cellar... but I wonder if your plant boxes don't impress me more, actually. Never seen anything like it before.
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Lovely wine cellar... but I wonder if your plant boxes don't impress me more, actually. Never seen anything like it before.
The most popular Q's about the window boxes are, "How much did this cost you?...and how much are herbs at the store?" and "Are you insane?"
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I'm not particularly a wine guy, but I really like your setup there
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3 shots of the cellar . . . I still have to label the bins; Letters around the top and number down, so I can find the bottle I'm looking for, using a cellaring program.
Looks great - you did a good job on the racks! I use cellartacker because it's free, but the problem I have is forgetting to mark bottles that I drank. It definitely helps to keep track of what's ready to drink or nearing the predicted end of its life.

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Looks great - you did a good job on the racks! I use cellartacker because it's free, but the problem I have is forgetting to mark bottles that I drank. It definitely helps to keep track of what's ready to drink or nearing the predicted end of its life.
Thanks! Cellartracker is what I have signed on to. Do you use the scanner and labeler? I was wondering if I could just get away with the UPC code already on the bottle? Here in Ontario, the liquor board regime is pretty strict about labelling. So I don't know if there would be much of a problem with "one code covers many types or years" from a smaller vintner like they describe on the site. I like the idea of just passing the scanner on the way out of the room...ahhh, but which of the 5 bottles did I take. There would be mayhem!!! Sigh. I'll probably put the label on the bottom.

Hey this is relevant to HT's because you serve wine in HT's, don't you?

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Cool project! From a fellow Canuck.

At first scanning the floor plan I was like, if it was for me, I'd make the entire floor plan all about the theater to max out the square footage. But then I saw the wine cellar My girl would like that too.

Looking forward to seeing the final results.
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Thanks for posting the wine rack pics Jim. Great work. Can't wait to see the start of the HT build.
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