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@BIGmouthinDC I will be using a synthetic alabaster in my theater from a company called 3-Form, based in Utah. They also make a variety of synthetic Onyx panels you can see at this link: http://www.3-form.com/materials/stone/onyx/

The company will also do a lot of the workroom cuts for you if you send them the dimensions, up to an including locking miter joints. They make a special clear adhesive to help permanently bond the panels and have lighting guides that illustrate the suggested ways to backlight the material. They also have free technical support.

Compared to the price of real Onyx, this stuff is a bargain by comparison, far more durable and lighter weight which eliminates mounting hassles. Further, the polymer is specifically designed to be backlit and diffuse the light source evenly.

Just a suggestion you may wish to pitch to your client if they are willing to get back into the game.
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still in the the game for the back bar so I really need to check out that resource! thanks.
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I am soon planning on remodeling my basement and maybe using synthetic onyx for the bar island. Along with 3form there are other good sites like example lumonyx which offers lots of help on your project for free.

http://lumonyx.com/

Their Faq answers lots of doubts. http://lumonyx.com/faq along with live support .
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That's a great resource, Vik! I'll have to give them a call for a sample.
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Yep and if you are not satisfied with their sample then you can always customize. Here is one of the q&a from the faq.

Can I customize Lumonyx?
This product is cast, therefore giving the ability to mold to your design, both in shape and color. Lumonyx offers a limitless variety of molded shapes, including custom forms.
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That's nice to know. Since I am using RGB LED back lighting, it is important that the substrate be as neutral in color as possible so if I set all the RGB lighting to a red color, for example, that the light coming through a yellowish Onyx panel doesn't appear bluish. I'm not married to the 3-Form product, so if this happens to be a lower cost alternative, that would be terrific.
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Good point regarding the neutral substrate never thought about it. Will talk soon regarding my project.
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Don't ask why my client wants back lit Honey Onyx wainscoting, wondering if I can do it with LED rope light, anyone have ideas?
hi BIG,

I watched an episode of HGTV's "Decked Out" yesterday, episode "The Beach Club Deck" where they built a resort style deck surrounding a pool with a few bells and whistles, etc. Anyways, they had used some backlit Onyx panels on privacy walls and on a bar which looked absolutely beautiful at the end. They were backlit with LED strip lights, and then I remembered this thread. Here's a link to the episode, which unfortunately has some forced commercials but give it a watch. Perhaps something to watch in the hotel room you're likely staying at tonight before calling it a night. If you want, skip to 08:31 where the Onyx appears. They show how they installed it, lit it, and the final product is obviously at the end. Hope it helps, and enjoy!
http://www.hgtv.ca/video/the+beach+club+deck/video.html?v=2447491654#video
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thanks I'm going to check that out.
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Not sure how helpful it is but they opened a BJ's Brewhouse near us and i noticed they have onyx panels throughout the resturant, not sure if there is one near you but if there is it maybe worth checking out and at the very least you can enjoy a couple good beers smile.gif
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I just received my Lumonyx samples today. I'll take some pictures tomorrow and post.
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hi BIG,

I watched an episode of HGTV's "Decked Out" yesterday, episode "The Beach Club Deck" where they built a resort style deck surrounding a pool with a few bells and whistles, etc. Anyways, they had used some backlit Onyx panels on privacy walls and on a bar which looked absolutely beautiful at the end. They were backlit with LED strip lights, and then I remembered this thread. Here's a link to the episode, which unfortunately has some forced commercials but give it a watch. Perhaps something to watch in the hotel room you're likely staying at tonight before calling it a night. If you want, skip to 08:31 where the Onyx appears. They show how they installed it, lit it, and the final product is obviously at the end. Hope it helps, and enjoy!
http://www.hgtv.ca/video/the+beach+club+deck/video.html?v=2447491654#video

I got a message that the episode is not available in "my area"
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damn! Must be blocking US IP's. Sorry, but I can't seem to find another link to this episode that might play in the US. All I was able to find was photos of the final product. Nothing about the LED strip lighting behind or how they installed these Onyx panels into boxes made of deck boards with a dado cut into them to form the frame for the Onyx.

http://paullafrancedesign.com/new-photo-galleries/nggallery/do-s4-eps-12/the-beach-club-deck/
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My theater has back lighted onyx. It was originally installed with incadescent rope light but that had 2 problems - after 5 years it was starting to burn out and when it was on it would get the onyx really hot. That didn't matter for the onyx wall panels but it was bad for the onyx bar. I recently replaced the rope light under the bar with LED. There is a lot of rope light stuffed in there. I learned a couple things about LED - first not all rope lights are dimmable, and second the ones that are dimmable are not necessarily evenly dimmable all the way from 0-100% like incadescent are. When I try to put it down to a lower level I can end up with some flickering in the lights. So my bar now stays very cool to touch, but I have lost even dimming through my Lutron system for the bar lights. Its a trade-off I can live with.

You may be able to get the rope to dim smoothly if you add a higher load to the circuit. The led rope light in my theater is tied into the my risers step lights. I did this to ensure that the zone the ropes light were on had enough of a load because the Lutron GE requires something like minimum 25w load per zone. Without any bulbs in the step lights the rope lights will turn on and off and even dim for the most part, but when you get dim down to certain level they will flicker. Bulbs in place and they can dim all the way down.
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If you are doing a bar with Onyx back lighting... I have heard one inexpensive way is to build a reflection box under the desired lit area and use fluorescent lighting tubes.

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thanks I'm going to check that out.
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I just received my Lumonyx samples today. I'll take some pictures tomorrow and post.
I noticed I didn't hold up to my word and post pictures of the samples, so I took care of that today. I selected these three samples from their product catalog. The product codes are in the upper left corner.



I held each up into the sunlight the best I could to show you natural backlighting:






I then had to make a generic back light box, so I cut a hole just slightly smaller than my smallest samples and quickly lined with white printer paper:


I then cut a slot about 4" down on the side of the box to slide my RGB LED light strips through:




LUM-33 under various lights:






LUM-1






LUM-48








I didn't take any pictures of this, but I could get the samples within about 1.5" of the RGB LED lighting without hotspotting, regardless of color. However, the light dissipation was not that great and you would need to orient many strips of lighting fairly close together to get a nice, even look. I'm sure if you used Melamine or dry erase board for the substrate you could get even better results. I used a 5050 RGB LED light strip, FYI.

If you would like me to run any other tests, just let me know.
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Great research effort. Do you know the approx cost per sq ft?
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I only asked for pricing on the LUM-33 (1/4" thick), and I think it was $600 for a full 4'x8' sheet of the material. I'll give them a call tomorrow morning for pricing on each of the substrates and let you know. They are all different thicknesses, so I am sure that has influence on pricing.
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I only asked for pricing on the LUM-33 (1/4" thick), and I think it was $600 for a full 4'x8' sheet of the material. I'll give them a call tomorrow morning for pricing on each of the substrates and let you know. They are all different thicknesses, so I am sure that has influence on pricing.
Is it real Onyx? If it is a 4x8 sheet is gonna be very expensive to ship, I would think. I know my wife would love this for our new fireplace wall.

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Is it real Onyx? If it is a 4x8 sheet is gonna be very expensive to ship, I would think. I know my wife would love this for our new fireplace wall.
Not real. The panels are typically made from Acrylic or Polyester, depending on the panel type. These polymer panels are significantly more durable, will not crack, weigh less and disperse the light better....not to mention are FAR cheaper than a genuine Onyx or Alabaster panels.

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Wow, that is some truly beautiful stuff! We were leaning towards art deco initially, and that would have been amazing!!

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Pricing for any panel is $25 per square foot which equals $800 per 4' x 8' sheet, plus freight shipping. All panels have been standardized at 1/4" thickness. Lead time for in-stock panels is 2 weeks to destination. If the style is not in-stock, it is 6-8 weeks for production and then the 2 weeks for packaging and freight destination. I asked if they would cut the panel to size for easier shipment and they said they do not engage in workroom activity, only production and shipment of full panels.

The 3-Form Alabaster panels are 3/8" thick and I believe they were closer to $1200 each IIRC. I think I like the LUM-1 better anyhow because most of the brown graining in the alabaster would have been hidden behind the metalwork. Plus it's a lot cheaper and the thinner panel will allow greater light penetration.

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@BIGmouthinDC - I stumbled on one other website this morning that may be of interest to you and your Onyx project. This company does high resolution printing on clear acrylic panels and can mimic a wide variety of Onyx at any scale you would like. Here's a link: http://www.lumivisions.net/services/...exotic-stones/
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From what I know LED rope light is not very dependable. Even if you do somehow manage to get an even (or purposely random) look with rope lighting, they tend to burnout or fail very quickly and you’ll end up having to restart the whole project again soon. I did see some backlighting done on http://www.tylercoinc.com/slablite.html and it looks very nice. You can also cut the panels to fit any conflicted areas you may have so any arrangements for the job are not required ahead of time.
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@BIGmouthinDC - What did you decide on this?

I'm looking for an affordable bar table that looks like the one in the picture. It's at a best buy in MN. It's made by a company called Acoustic Geometry and pretty expensive. It has some sort of stone or acrylic LED top.
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The onyx wainscot was thankfully decided against. Currently the client is pursuing a solid surface bar top with build in fiber optics for the third row sit at bar. I made a template and the client is pursuing a California company to make it. I have elected to not get involved in its installation and the client has a local counter top company who will take this on.
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The onyx wainscot was thankfully decided against. Currently the client is pursuing a solid surface bar top with build in fiber optics for the third row sit at bar. I made a template and the client is pursuing a California company to make it. I have elected to not get involved in its installation and the client has a local counter top company who will take this on.

The pic I shared in my earlier post might have something similar to your client is looking. The guy at BB told me it's a stone top with built in LED lights; close to 8K though for a 7ft table
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i did this in my home theatre bar years ago - we used honey onyx. We illuminated the backsplash and the countertop

Turned out quite nice

Google Nu World Custom Lighting to see the type of lighting we used - LED Light panels
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