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JimmyK's Home Theater Build -2.0! aka "The Yardstick Theater!" (a DIY Erskine Design)

Well I have been working on my theater for a while and it has been slowly building up in stages.

Sorry - I only have iPhone pictures available - looking for the digital camera for the final pictures of the room!

I want to thank everyone here for the great information that has made it possible to do my Build.

First I want to thank BIGmouthinDC for all of his responses to my questions and sharing all of his build information - Big's "Summer Fun" Build is what really sparked my interest:

BIGmouthinDC - Summer Fun, Just 10 minutes down the Parkway

And when it came time to finishing the build with the trim I have been using multiple threads and I want to thank Mario for sharing his info in his build thread here:

The Cinemar Home Theater Construction Thread

There are many others and I will share what I can from my build.

BEFORE

It started when I had the basement finished 2 years ago and here is what version 1.0 looked like:
















CURRENT PROGRESS
What follows is the progression to version 2.0!

Here is a sneak peak at where I am today - near completion - hope to have the final pictures posted by next week:









Test fitting of wainscoting with 2" edge:




Didn't like it so went with 4" per Mario's advice - The center sections are Black DMD fabric - I put these in since the wainscoting panel I made is sitting 2" off the wall and I didn't want to create a "box" and allow for any resonance





My wife is ready for the theater to be completed!





Few more PICs using my daughters camera - It is difficult to take pictures with the HUE LED lights. I will have to put the original lights back in for the final pictures.














More to come - I will be adding all of the build pictures this week.


Hope you enjoy - JimmyK
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SEATING
- 6 Coaster Showtime Theater Recliners

SPEAKERS
- LCR - Polk Audio A9 (Center speaker behind AT Screen/False wall)
- Side Surrounds - 2 Triad Silver In-wall surrounds (In Side Columns)
- Rear Surrounds - 2 Triad Bronze In-wall surounds (in Rear Columns)
- Wides - 2 Triad InCeiling Bronze/8 LCRs (in Front Columns)

SUBWOOFER
- SVS PC13-Ultra (Behind Screen False Wall)

SCREEN
- DIY Seymour Center Stage XD Acoustic Fabric - 16:9 - 135" Diagonal over DIY Frame

EQUIPMENT
- Epson 6010 Projector
- Onkyo 3009 AVR (Wide and Surround Channels)
- Crown XLS 2500 Amp (L and R channels)
- Crown XLS 1500 Amp (C channel)
- OPPO BDP-93 Blu Ray Player
- Darbee Darblet
- Philips HUE Lights
- Roomie Remote on iPad

FABRIC
- DMD Black and Maroon
http://www.acoustimac.com/dmd-acoustic-fabric/

PAINT
- Valspar "Ancient Burgundy" number 1011-6
- Behr Mouse Ears Black Eggshell (only for the Wainscoting)
- Behr Mouse Ears Black Flat (everywhere else black was called for)

THEATER DESIGN
- Erskine Basic Plan

ACOUSTIC DESIGN/Consultation
- Erskine and GIK Acoustics

BASS SHAKERS
- 6 Aura Pro Bass Shakers (driven by 300W BASH Plate AMP)

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Stage Build - Posted

False Screen Wall Build - Posted

Riser Build - Posted

DIY Screen Build - Posted

Corner Bass Traps - Posted

New Walls! - Posted

Columns Build with in-column speakers - Posted

Soffit Build - Posted

Wainscoting - Posted

Wall Panels - Posted

Final pictures of the completed room - Coming Soon!

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Stage Build

Plans for the stage:









Stage Framed out:

I used 2x8 for stage height and 2x4 for the step





The Stage has a 1/2" gap on each side so it doesn't touch the walls
6 Mil plastic and about 2500 pounds of sand





Plastic all trimmed up





Fitting the first OSB board





Top half of stage completed - Also framed out right side wall so that Linacoustic could be added to the front 3 "walls"









Ready for Linacoustinc and the False Wall


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False Wall - Big's "Minimalist Approach to Screen Wall"

False wall using Big's "Minimalist Approach to Screen Wall"
Minimalist Approach to Screen Wall

Works Great!




































Test fit with the 1.0 screen (Same size as the new DIY Seymour AV Screen - 135" 16:9)






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Riser Build - 15" Height

Riser Build - 15" height needed to clear first row










Filled with Fluffy Stuff - Test fitting the chair:













I had carpet left over from when the basement was finished - Just enough for the riser and the stage





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Screen Build - DIY 135" 16:9

Screen Build - DIY 135" 16:9 using Seymour AV Center Stage XD - DIY Cut at an angle: http://www.seymourav.com/screensDIY.asp



I built the screen frame using 1x4 pine boards. At the time I couldn't find the Finger Pine that Big uses but this turned out just fine. I offset the center braces by placing washers between the brackets and the outer frame. This prevents the screen fabric from touching the vertical frame supports. I painted the frame with Mouse Ears Flat Black Paint.

I installed about 70 Grommets using a kit from Home Depot - requires a hammer - hit my thumb 3 times! Next time I will pay the extra $ to have Seymour AV install them

I folded the edge to get "double" fabric between the grommets - this caused the edges to bunch up. I ended up trimming off the fabric between the grommets and it worked out just fine. I believe I ordered the o-rings from Amazon - been a while - I would have to check. These are also available from Seymour AV.















I used "T" brackets and "L" brackets for the corners and vertical supports.



I used the metal French Cleats available at Home Depot to hang the screen.



















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Thanks Big! - You should see a lot of familiar "Build techniques"
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Very nice!

Question regarding the 1/2" gap between the stage and wall -- did you fill that gap in with rock-wool or something to keep gunk from falling between the crack?


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Very nice!

Question regarding the 1/2" gap between the stage and wall -- did you fill that gap in with rock-wool or something to keep gunk from falling between the crack?
Thanks -
The gap is actually covered by the two layers Linacoustic that is attached to the wall. In my final pictures you will see my frame panels that surround the screen on the false wall. Pretty much no access when these panels are up so nothing to fall in the gaps.
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Bass Traps

I used Roxul Rock Wool for the Corner Bass Traps on the stage.

I originally used some spray adhesive to keep the Roxul "stuck" in the corners.

That didn't work so well - one day when I went downstairs there had been an avalanche!

So I added some 2x2s so I could staple some speaker cloth over the traps to keep them in place.

So far so good!















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New Walls!

As per the plans - here are the new walls to make the room somewhat symmetrical for sound treatments.






I will eventually be moving the Media Cabinet to the right....







Pressure Treated and .22 nail gun to anchor to the floor




I built a staggered studded wall - not really to "sound proof" but to keep any kids noises cut down as much as we can. During the Superbowl we had a lot of neighbors over and a lot of kids were running in front of the screen - this will help keep them on their side of the room....

















Drywall up on the theater side




The new back wall








View of the new Right Hand wall:




Back wall framing with doorway opening:





I filled the back wall with Roxul rock wool - this is more or less to help cut down on the mini fridge sound coming into the theater:




Back wall drywall is up:










View through the new doorway entering into the theater:






View of the right wall facing forward:




My oldest daughter seeing the new walls for the first time "WOW - When did you do this????"

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Columns with surround speakers

Each of the 6 columns have speakers in them. The front two on the side walls act as the "wide" speakers, the rear two on the side walls are the "surround - left and right", and the two columns on the rear wall are the "Rear Surround" channels.

I built the columns out of 3/4" MDF and used Titebond glue and Kreg Jig Pocket Holes to hold them together. After the glue dried for a day I removed the screws from the pocket holes so I could use a router to round the edges. The screws were too long and would have hit the router bit. The glue holds just fine on its own.

The total column dimensions are 14" wide by 6" deep. I had to mount them 2.5" off the wall for the front wide speakers as the In Ceiling speakers I used as the wides are about 7.5" deep. The columns on the rear wall were also moved out so they would be flush with the two Monster Bass Traps from GIK Acoustics.






Kreg Jig Pocket Holes to hold together until the glue dries:







Jigsaw cutouts for the Triad in wall surround speakers:






Part of the assembly line:






Painted Mouse Ears Black:







Triad In-Wall Surround added:






Triad In-Wall Speaker Grill Added - HOPE IT DOESN'T SHOW UNDER THE DMD BLACK FABRIC!!!!






Original "Built in" Column Location - DO NOT BUILD YOUR COLUMNS UNTIL AFTER THE DRYWALL STAGE - Build them separately....





Luckily it was very close to where I needed it to be. But I did have to make the opening bigger to fit the Triad Speaker:






View of the Triad In-Wall Surround attached to the Column:





YAY!!! - The White Grills don't show through the DMD Black Fabric! Looks like I probably didn't need to paint the columns black either!!! Oh Well - at least I know the paint is there This is installed over the original drywall column:





Rear columns flush mounted with the GIK Monster Bass Traps. I joined two Monster Bass Traps together and covered with DMD Maroon Fabric:







View of the back of one of the the "wide" speaker columns. Still need the DMD fabric stretched and stapled in place:

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Soffit Build

The soffits are 8" high and 12" deep.


Marked the soffit and stud locations:









Added 2x2 furring to attach the bottom of the drywall:







Used metal channel to build the vertical faces of the soffits:







Pilot holes in metal channel and 2x2s to make attachment easier:













Used Power Grab or Liquid Nails to make the ladders stiffer:



























Used drywall screws to hold in place:


























Used Liquid Nails and drywall screws to attach to ceiling:











Soffit framing up in place:











Attached drywall to the bottom of the soffits:







I made removable panels for the sides using yardsticks, titebond, and rare earth magnets. The magnets are attached with crazy glue and then DMD fabric is stretched and stapled over the panel:












If you look closely you can see a finished black panel on the left and I am test fitting the frame on the right. Worked out great! Makes it easy to access the soffits and I will be adding recessed lighting later. Also makes it easy to add any additional wires that are needed:





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Wainscoting

So for the Wainscoting I used 1/2" MDF. I used the 1/2" MDF since the panel will be sitting out from the wall to be flush with the fabric panels that I built.

I ripped 2" thick furring strips on the table saw and attached to the wall for the 1/2" panels to attach to.

I used Zinsser BIN Primer on the MDF before painting Mouse Ears Black Eggshell.


1/2" MDF Primed and marked with the cut lines. I cut out the area highlighted with the black lines using a jig saw to create a 1" frame for the DMD Black cloth material







Primer used on the MDF:





I assembled the trim using a miter saw, wood glue in the corners and a pin nailer to hold together. I then aligned the trim on the 1/2" MDF and used a pin nailer to hold in place.
The trim is partially over the openings to hold the fabric panels flush with the 1/2" MDF when they are reattached.
I used a pneumatic staple gun to hold the fabic panels to the back of the 1/2" panels.









Here are some pictures of the assembled panels. I painted the trim Mouse Ears Black Eggshell before attaching the fabric panels.

The Fabric is a very close match and it is very difficult to tell that it is there. The idea for the fabric was to make sure that i didn't create a closed "box" on the wall that could resonate. Not sure if this really makes a difference or not but it was fun making the panels!

I used a finsihing nail gun to attach to the furring strips on the wall. In this picture the panel is just sitting on the floor:






This panel was installed on the wall below the Maroon fabric Panel. I had to blur out the sound panels as these are based on the DIY Sound Treatment Solution that I purchased as part of the Erskine Package.

OK - If you have read this far - Great! Gotta add the old "Sorry for the picture quality - these were taken with the iphone - just convenient and not sure where the digital camera is!"

I am looking for the digital camera for the final room pictures though.

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Wall Panels

For the Wall Panels I ripped 1.5" wide strips from 2x4s and 2x6s - whatever I had left over or on hand.

I then set the fence on the table saw to 1" and set the blade to a 45 degree angle to make a 1/2" chamfer cut for the outside edges.

The panels were then attached using 3" deck screws and titebond glue.

The Maroon fabric was then stapled to the frames.


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Using ripped down 2x4, 2x6, and some finger pine that I bought to do the panels around the screen on the false wall:




Painted Mouse Ears Flat Black:




Frame assembled for the door. Insulation panels were installed on the doors before the panels were attached as they are first reflection points:








Rolls of DMD Acoustic Fabric in Maroon and Black:





DIY Acoustic Panels attached to the wall. Had to cover as I modified them according to the DIY Erskine Acoustic Plan and am not allowed to share.....

Just to give you an idea of what the panels are covering.





First Fabric Panel ready to be installed on the wall:





Panel mounted on the wall:




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I've seen this on a number of Erskine builds and am always mystified about it. What's the thinking on not even allowing photos of a space? I can see not sharing the plans since those are copyrighted, but photos that you take yourself? Leaving behind how that would possibly be legally enforceable (a moot point if everybody agrees to participate), do you have some insight as to why they have the restriction in the first place?


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I've seen this on a number of Erskine builds and am always mystified about it. What's the thinking on not even allowing photos of a space? I can see not sharing the plans since those are copyrighted, but photos that you take yourself? Leaving behind how that would possibly be legally enforceable (a moot point if everybody agrees to participate), do you have some insight as to why they have the restriction in the first place?

I don't have any insight as to why - but I hope that the rest of the steps/pictures are useful. I just wanted to give a sense of what the fabric panels are covering.
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I don't have any insight as to why - but I hope that the rest of the steps/pictures are useful. I just wanted to give a sense of what the fabric panels are covering.
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I've seen this on a number of Erskine builds and am always mystified about it. What's the thinking on not even allowing photos of a space? I can see not sharing the plans since those are copyrighted, but photos that you take yourself? Leaving behind how that would possibly be legally enforceable (a moot point if everybody agrees to participate), do you have some insight as to why they have the restriction in the first place?
He isn't specifying not being able to show pictures of the space, but photos of certain build elements of the space. Showing the plan or showing photos of how certain elements are specified and built by the plan are subject to copyright and intellectual properties.

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He isn't specifying not being able to show pictures of the space, but photos of certain build elements of the space. Showing the plan or showing photos of how certain elements are specified and built by the plan are subject to copyright and intellectual properties.
Not meaning to hi-jack this (excellent) build thread, but this is a fascinating topic to me. Showing a photo of a plan would be considered reproduction of a copyrighted work and so would definitely be infringement. It gets dicy when it comes to photos of completed physical works, though. Generally speaking, you cannot copyright the implementation of a copyrighted work -- for instance, you can copyright a recipe, but you can't copyright the resulting cake or photos of the cake. There is a very specific exception for architectural works, though. It's possible for an architect to copyright the implemented design of a building, in addition to the plans. You still can't restrict photos of the exterior of a house (public view == fair use) but you MAY BE able to exert control over photos of the interior of a building. Apparently it would require a court case to decide, though, and I couldn't find any such case.

Thing is, the architectural exception specifically applies to buildings, defined as ""humanly habitable structures that are intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions". Acoustic design in an existing house doesn't appear to qualify. That appears to hew closer to interior design than architectural design. I know of no extra copyright protections (beyond the normal ones) for interior design.

This is all a moot point if everybody that contracts a plan from Erskine agrees on the contract to not show photos of the designed elements.

Still, it mystifies me why that clause would be there in the first place. Photos of a design is one thing -- but restricting photos of a built element is just so odd.

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Not meaning to hi-jack this (excellent) build thread, but this is a fascinating topic to me. Showing a photo of a plan would be considered reproduction of a copyrighted work and so would definitely be infringement. It gets dicy when it comes to photos of completed physical works, though. Generally speaking, you cannot copyright the implementation of a copyrighted work -- for instance, you can copyright a recipe, but you can't copyright the resulting cake or photos of the cake. There is a very specific exception for architectural works, though. It's possible for an architect to copyright the implemented design of a building, in addition to the plans. You still can't restrict photos of the exterior of a house (public view == fair use) but you MAY BE able to exert control over photos of the interior of a building. Apparently it would require a court case to decide, though, and I couldn't find any such case.

Thing is, the architectural exception specifically applies to buildings, defined as ""humanly habitable structures that are intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions". Acoustic design in an existing house doesn't appear to qualify. That appears to hew closer to interior design than architectural design. I know of no extra copyright protections (beyond the normal ones) for interior design.

This is all a moot point if everybody that contracts a plan from Erskine agrees on the contract to not show photos of the designed elements.

Still, it mystifies me why that clause would be there in the first place. Photos of a design is one thing -- but restricting photos of a built element is just so odd.

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Hey Guys - If you are in a place where you are ready to build and you need an acoustical plan there are some great threads out there on the forums.

If you are short on time or just want to verify your plan you can work with any number of services to help you out, some are free and some are paid.

I bought the Erskine Basic Layout plan with the add on service for the DIY Acoustics - Very well worth it in my opinion, and it really is a small percentage of the total cost when you add it all up.

There is a thread here with more information about the service " Erskine Group layout service is back " and I highly recommend that you look into it. Last I looked BigmouthinDC is a partner with this service and if you have seen his builds you know that adds even more to the deal!

I also reached out to GIK Acoustics for room information and they were also very helpful and ended up purchasing a couple of Monster Bass Traps with Flexrange Technology based on their recommendations. I also purchased my materials from GIK to build my DIY Acoustic Panels.

If you guys want to debate whether to show a panel or product that you purchased or built from a plan feel free to do so but I am requesting that you please do so in another thread.

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