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Hi Jeff,

The equipment room looks great !

Scary quiet is the only way to describe it. You should really notice the improved dynamic range.

I also have Edmund Optics glass and get that same reflection.

Cheers,
Thanks, Peter... You were the inspiration! Thanks for the info that the reflection is as expected.

Now on to the next task.


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The reflection is normal, if you wanted to cut down minuscularly 2.5% on it there is a new glass that is also double ar anti-reflective coated with the same index of transparency as air, but you might not be able to tell difference.


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What kind of chairs are those? They look super comfy.
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.... Just make sure he cuts and re-solders on the side that will go in between the joists!!
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Not to be picky but you mean brazed or welded! I would not stand under those speakers if that joint was truly soldered!

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Not to be picky but you mean brazed or welded! I would not stand under those speakers if that joint was truly soldered!
Ha ha! Absolutely right. I guess we're all entitled to a 'brain fart' every now and then....some are just a little more public than others!
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I just found this thread because I haven't been on this site a lot like I have been in the past. I must say that I love the direction you are going! Your theater looks even better than it did before and you already had a really nice theater. Great job!


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More progress.

Speakers are up, properly positioned, wires terminated.

Mark Seaton was at my house for 12 hours yesterday going over each of the 18 speakers and subs. Found a dead amp channel and an mis-wired driver in the Quested. He's experience and knowledge is invaluable. I can't say enough about his commitment to excellence. I can't tell you how impressed I was with his level of expertise. HE will come in and aid in the final calibration with the other calibrator in 2 weeks (Carl, an ex-Datasat engineer). He and his employee worked a very long day and fully prepped the room for the final Datasat calibration. The room is sounding great and the bass demo we di last night was simply insane and effortlessly loud, tight and powerful. The balance of the 4 Seatons up front with the 2 Seaton F2's in the rear (tower) gives me a pretty flat response BEFORE any Datasat EQ!

Hat's off to Mark and the best subwoofer for theater!




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Pretty flat to 10 Hz on screen without any Datasat EQ or DIRAC! GOes even lower to boot!




1AM and Mark wrapping it up after a crazy bass demo of 'Art of Flight' and ridiculous levels!
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Can't Imagine!!! Can't even say it's gonna be awesome, cause it already is.


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Um.. Does WOW do it justice. I don't think so. That is one impressive system you have built.

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Um.. Does WOW do it justice. I don't think so. That is one impressive system you have built.
Hey, Mike.. Thanks!

My theater has been down for 7 months. I'm almost ready to begin watching movies again!


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Hey, Mike.. Thanks!

My theater has been down for 7 months. I'm almost ready to begin watching movies again!
There have been times when I have been down for months and it drives me crazy. I am sure with this new system you can watch all of your stuff over again and it will probably be like watching it for the first time. Again, way to go building a state of the art theater.

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Very impressive. Congratulations.

So, what is your impression of the LT-10 as LCR's. If I remember correctly, Peter had some reservations about using the LT-10 as the mains in previous theaters and favored the LT-20.

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Very impressive. Congratulations.

So, what is your impression of the LT-10 as LCR's. If I remember correctly, Peter had some reservations about using the LT-10 as the mains in previous theaters and favored the LT-20.
Not enough experience with them yet. I considered the LT-20s, they were slightly more money but in talked with Roger Quested (Quested), given the size of my room, they'd be too much speaker. They are 125 lb beasts that would do 130 db at my listening position! Peter typically does larger rooms. That said, I could've used them but saw little use for the three way design in the context of my room.

Thanks for the nice comments!

1.5 weeks and I'm good to start listening!


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Congrats with your set up!!!

My home theater is smaller then yours(3.5m x 4,5m). Do you think it would be OK to use the LT8's as LCR? I'm sitting about 3,8m from the screen.
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Le Petit Trianon V 3.0 (thebland) 7.2 --> 12.5

My friend Itai from iRule was over this weekend to program full system control on my iPad with iRule. He is so quick. I am very excited about this as I am moving from my pricey RTI control system to far cheaper but better control system. I will get feedback from most all components.

Ordered an Oppo 103 Darbee Blu Ray as my primary player.

Mark Seaton and Carl Huff (formerly of Datasat) will both be at my house in a week to do final calibration of RS-20i and Mark will input on the subs. I've got two great experts to dial things in. Very exciting.

Almost there!


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Congrats with your set up!!!



My home theater is smaller then yours(3.5m x 4,5m). Do you think it would be OK to use the LT8's as LCR? I'm sitting about 3,8m from the screen.

I would call Quested. They were very good about calculating things for me and recommendations. Likely if you're less than 10' to your LCRs, you,d be good. My LT-8s are approx 9 ft from my main listening area and I believe Quested calculated max output to 103-105 db.


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For the 6 Submersive subs, Mark made this post (below) in the sub forum:



The red curve is simply turning both subs on with the same signal applied, just as many do in their rooms. The level reduces over much of the range, and we have a ~20dB hole around 45Hz. Through some experimentation that I'll get into with later posts, we settled on applying a delay of 7ms to the rear stack of F2's which results in the much more impressive cyan (light blue) response. Important to note is that we now see gain over each individual response across most of the frequency range (a maximum of +6dB is possible).

Yellow - 4 subs at front wall
Green - 2 subs at rear wall
Red - all subs simultaneously
Cyan - All subs simultaneously with a 7 ms delay to the rear subs

We will be well below 10 HZ with strong output when done.
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For the 6 Submersive subs, Mark made this post (below) in the sub forum:



The red curve is simply turning both subs on with the same signal applied, just as many do in their rooms. The level reduces over much of the range, and we have a ~20dB hole around 45Hz. Through some experimentation that I'll get into with later posts, we settled on applying a delay of 7ms to the rear stack of F2's which results in the much more impressive cyan (light blue) response. Important to note is that we now see gain over each individual response across most of the frequency range (a maximum of +6dB is possible).

Yellow - 4 subs at front wall
Green - 2 subs at rear wall
Red - all subs simultaneously
Cyan - All subs simultaneously with a 7 ms delay to the rear subs

We will be well below 10 HZ with strong output when done.
Looks like he did a great job! What is your crossover set at?


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Looks like he did a great job! What is your crossover set at?
I believe it was 80 Hz - but it was cursory as when we do the full calibration, we will determine what works best with the LCRs. Thanks!


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Where were the measurements taken from in the room? If that is in the middle of the room, such as front row middle seat, that is really impressive. That is the hardest area to get good bass.


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Very impressive. Congratulations.

So, what is your impression of the LT-10 as LCR's. If I remember correctly, Peter had some reservations about using the LT-10 as the mains in previous theaters and favored the LT-20.
More of a Caveat emptor than a reservation per se, I used them as height channels and they excelled at that on a trinnov remapped systems but I had 5 lt-20 fronts underneath it. As height channels they were lunging sound fx overheads, I can promise Jeff that on auromatic, the amt takes a while to break in, after a week of blasting the system though the sound became homogenous, and to quote the engineer that did the royal Albert hall with similar AMT drivers:

"According to Kinsella, it goes without saying
that you can get more sound pressure from a compression driver but it
doesn't sound as good at high output levels. The AMT principle
means the impulse response is better than that of a compression

driver, so that your sense of hearing does not become fatigued during longer periods of listening and it is also seemingly easier
to evaluate the information on offer. The audience no longer
notices the loudspeaker. Instead, they can concentrate better on
the music. Unfortunately, it is difficult to record such properties
in a data sheet.


I agree 600% with those statements above, and I was playing the system with 22.10 channels easily at over 120 db. After One week playing the system 20 hours a day one would come out refreshed and invigorated, I have never heard that before.
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Congrats with your set up!!!

My home theater is smaller then yours(3.5m x 4,5m). Do you think it would be OK to use the LT8's as LCR? I'm sitting about 3,8m from the screen.
No need to call Roger I already know what he will recommend you are sitting at 12 feet that is beyond the 9 foot limit for main lcr's there are 2 solutions one improvised bespoken for Jeff.

a stack of lt-24:



The other solution is an LT-8 two way active with a new Smaller AMT- this (ATMOS CINEMA) version is designed to play 7 decibels louder and it will not have the woofer on top requirement in vertical orientation. It will also comfortably cover your listening distance.

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I recall this photos. The folks at Quested test SPL output for me for LT-8s and LT-24s (doubled) as I considered each for LCRs and surrounds. It was after this test that I was able to choose the LT-8s for surrounds. I chose the LT-24s for side and rear heights. I was concerned that the LT-8s would get up to 105 db at 8 ft... so they tested!


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I can break my silence now on my DATASAT RS-20i - not quite an NDA - but one of the first AURO 3D installed units in the USA!

My unit has the latest beta AURO 3D installed. There is little material but the word is the UPMIXING is far, far superior to NEO X!

Can't wait - (and word is Disney will be releasing some titles in AURO 3D)!

Thanks tro my dealer, Peter (CINERAMAX) for having the clout to get me this early!!

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Jeff,


I've been following your upgrade with envy and this is exciting news. You must be stoked to finally get the finishing touches in place. Well done!

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I've been following your upgrade with envy and this is exciting news. You must be stoked to finally get the finishing touches in place. Well done!
Thanks so much!

I am, we haven't seen a movie since after Christmas.

I plan on running some very loud music for 24 hrs this weekends to break in the ATMs.

Still have a lot of clean up in the equipment room, need to put up screen and re-assemble chairs before calibration.

A lot to do but we're getting there... (Tired of writing checks, too)!


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Bass traps behind the baffle wall (R-19 Ultra Touch).

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Where is the countdown timer to calibration?

It commences in 24 hours right?

Take pictures, and give you impression on the auromatic.

The suspense is riveting...


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