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post #121 of 137 Old 08-30-2014, 04:33 AM - Thread Starter
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I just read through it. What an intuitive read. Anyone setting up subs in their room should read this. Varied response over rows and how dealys impact the response are really laid in an easy to digest manner. Thanks again!

thread started on the subwoofer forum about the six SubMersive system

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Hey bland,
You are one of those guys that has style, you have really impressed me with thought and deliverance of this wonderful theater with it's equipment.
I love the Auro 3D layout,I myself have looked at Auro and would like to see it get mainstream attention. Just installed 4 recessed Atmos ceiling speakers and another
Pair that is angled for a total of six in my theater.
What are your thoughts on Atmos and will you also incorporate atmos ?
Great cast of experts you have doing the calibration can't miss with that one
Again, you are the man thebland! I see a home theater of the month coming
And dare say home theater of the year. You deserve it.
Post more pictures everybody likes that, now I will go play with my setup,can't
Wait for my atmos processor to get here next week,and for some software.
I hope they come up with a Auro 3D add on or a dual format .
Auro 3D is very appealing and I defiantly want it hope sooner then later.
Congrats on a very cool setup, hope you have a GTG, I live in Rochester NY and would consider driving out for this , of course if invited.



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Hey bland,
You are one of those guys that has style, you have really impressed me with thought and deliverance of this wonderful theater with it's equipment.
I love the Auro 3D layout,I myself have looked at Auro and would like to see it get mainstream attention. Just installed 4 recessed Atmos ceiling speakers and another
Pair that is angled for a total of six in my theater.
What are your thoughts on Atmos and will you also incorporate atmos ?
Great cast of experts you have doing the calibration can't miss with that one
Again, you are the man thebland! I see a home theater of the month coming
And dare say home theater of the year. You deserve it.
Post more pictures everybody likes that, now I will go play with my setup,can't
Wait for my atmos processor to get here next week,and for some software.
I hope they come up with a Auro 3D add on or a dual format .
Auro 3D is very appealing and I defiantly want it hope sooner then later.
Congrats on a very cool setup, hope you have a GTG, I live in Rochester NY and would consider driving out for this , of course if invited.



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Hey,

That is the nicest complement I've ever received here. So kind of you.
I appreciate that you appreciate the efforts that went into this. I was telling my wife in the last 2 months that the deadlines and stresses of things not coming together, work, expense (over budget) were making things not fun and I wanted it to be over.

Auro 3D up-mixing is really nice. This is certainly where things are going (being in hybrid speakers or separates about the ceiling). It is a great improvement.

And yes, when I post a meet, and if you're available, I'd enjoy meeting you.

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So the Auro 3D uses Dirac right? Trinnov is something completely different correct? I get confused with all the formats and EQ systems out now. It's hard to know which goes with which. Is your system able to playback Atmos based content? I mean Atmos and Auro 3D are on the same playing field just like Dirac and Trinnov are on the same playing field.
And I also agree that a HToTM is just about guaranteed.

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So the Auro 3D uses Dirac right? Trinnov is something completely different correct? I get confused with all the formats and EQ systems out now. It's hard to know which goes with which. Is your system able to playback Atmos based content? I mean Atmos and Auro 3D are on the same playing field just like Dirac and Trinnov are on the same playing field.
And I also agree that a HToTM is just about guaranteed.
Dirac is the speaker/subwoofer response correction system. It manipulates the signal going to each speaker, but plays no part in the various formats or decoding. It is similar to Audyssey's core function of room correction, although the potentially confusing part is that Audyssey did put their name on a few extraction options to add more speakers.

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Dirac is the speaker/subwoofer response correction system. It manipulates the signal going to each speaker, but plays no part in the various formats or decoding. It is similar to Audyssey's core function of room correction, although the potentially confusing part is that Audyssey did put their name on a few extraction options to add more speakers.
Is Trinnov the same idea?

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YES BUT IT USES A TRIANGULATING MICROPHONE WHICH GIVES high precision loudspeaker xyz location information, this is useful in object based atmos and future dts UHD. The datasat is almost plug and play in auto calibration (it gets you 95% there) after that you need someone with a good ear like Mark(his extra genious comes in handy but hey I can do a mean post dirac soundscaping too ) adding air, balls and immediacy can easy be done atop the dirac cal., for trinnov you need an expert in the room to achieve great results, i discourage remote logins as they are time consuming and seldom perfect.

Also Trinnov will require upgrades to get to the trouble free stability level that datasat has achieved in 6 years with thousands of installs and dozens of software upgrades.

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Now that's awesome. Very excited to meet him and demo his own speakers in a great environment!

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Thanks Cineramax. That sounds cool. These new eq systems sound pretty sophisticated. So Dirac is a bit more user friendly? I am sure in Mark's hands it was worked to sound fantastic.

This is just a non-Jeff system question but I hope it's OK. If someone is using a server, could they just buy this
http://www.dirac.se/en/consumer-products/dirac-rcs.aspx
HT version and get similar or even the same results? Right now I use an Integra 80.3 with XT32. I am guessing that there is no contest in your opinion . People do seem to feel that it's better the XT32. But is that version you can buy and put it on a server close to what you get with it in the actual preamp itself? Now for me, I only have a small room and one main seat so it would probably not be worth it. But in general, what are your thoughts. This goes for anyone who can answer.

And that's so cool that the guy who is name is on the speakers Jeff has is coming to a GTG.

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Thanks Cineramax. That sounds cool. These new eq systems sound pretty sophisticated. So Dirac is a bit more user friendly? I am sure in Mark's hands it was worked to sound fantastic.

This is just a non-Jeff system question but I hope it's OK. If someone is using a server, could they just buy this
http://www.dirac.se/en/consumer-products/dirac-rcs.aspx
HT version and get similar or even the same results? Right now I use an Integra 80.3 with XT32. I am guessing that there is no contest in your opinion . People do seem to feel that it's better the XT32. But is that version you can buy and put it on a server close to what you get with it in the actual preamp itself? Now for me, I only have a small room and one main seat so it would probably not be worth it. But in general, what are your thoughts. This goes for anyone who can answer.


And that's so cool that the guy who is name is on the speakers Jeff has is coming to a GTG.
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just today an 8 channel card for a pc with dirac 8 channels was announced so yeah with that.

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just today an 8 channel card for a pc with dirac 8 channels was announced so yeah with that.

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That device looks pretty cool. I like the fact that it is a separate box. But many people will probably find the fact that it's only 8ch a limitation. So that software package that I linked to can't be used to get Dirac onto a server?

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So that software package that I linked to can't be used to get Dirac onto a server?
You can install Dirac onto your source player, HTPC or server, and then select Dirac audio interface from your playback software. Audiolense and Acourate are two other DRC packages that work a little different, but also are are reported to have very good results, also more manageable pricetags.

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Thanks. I was just curious.

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Look for HT of the Month tonight!

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This is an interesting system. just looked it your setup for the first time.

I think horns are not necessarily "needed" for great home theater sound.

I have horn mains and center due to my stereo listening preferences however I have heard extremely impressive sounding speakers with air-motion type tweeters.

This is the first i have heard of quested but if they sound anything like legacy audio speakers or monitor audio speakers, i think the results will be very impressive indeed. I own some martin logan in-walls and bg-radia in walls with similar tweeter design.

The clarity of those tweeters is very very impressive. In fact, my "reference" sound test is a scene from the movie Matrix II. There is a scene in the middle of the movie where the Merovinjian (sp?) troops fire bullets at Neo and he stops them with his hands. When those bullets fall to the floor, the clarity on a legacy audio / parasound setup, which I heard about 15yrs ago, was breathtaking. I strongly suggest this "sound test". I beleive there is a scene with a bunch of glass breaking as well which shows off a speaker's capabilities.

My own surround speakers at ear level are bg radia speakers which also have somewhat similar tweeters. I have a 18x24x 13ft(ceiling) room and the surrounds have no problem keeping up while at a crossover set at 100hz.

None of the air motion setups i have heard project a sound as big as my spherical horn speakers nor is the stereo image so massive and realistic as with big horns. On the other hand, those air motion tweeters do have a beautiful quality to them, and I think you will love them.

I look forward to hearing all your listening experiences with these speakers!
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Sorry to post again, but I had another question. Have you settled on a datasat vs the trinnov? i have 19.4 channels and counting at this point. I would like to know how datasat handles the issue of random speaker placement. Can you program in the exact speaker locations in a 3d matrix for speakers you own or do you have to only mount speakers at pre-prescribed locations?

What seems compelling to me about the trinnov is that it can accomdate for any speakers you have wherever they may be...

I have heard neither the datasat nor the trinnov so technically i know nothing about any of this besides brochures.
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Lessons Learned - two new theaters!

Hey Jeff, it has been quite some time since you were are my place. You were building the Bland v1, looking for ideas, as my theater had just been completed in Livonia. I built a new home in Macomb (wifes family is the short story), and have a raised 2300sqft basement to finish. SOOO I am looking to accomplish many of the same objectives you are seeking in your revision. Lets get together and catch up on our journeys.

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