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View Poll Results: Will you modify your theater for Atmos?
Hell yeah! As soon as I see the set up guide, I'm in and will wait for content after modding room. 21 22.83%
No way! 7.1 is all I'll install or pay for. 13 14.13%
I will wait for content and what else shakes out, maybe 6 months or a year or more.. 58 63.04%
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post #31 of 50 Old 06-25-2014, 06:15 AM
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I'm old, losing my hearing.....and not in mood to change again. My 9.4 suits me just fine......especially with a TEQ-12.
The fact that I have to ask people to repeat themselves about 5 times is an indication my hearing might not be so great anymore either.
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Patience rewards you with value.
Patience, but not moderation though eh?

Wait for the big tech to hit the streets, then pound it hard!!!

They can have all my money!!! I want big surround sound!!!
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The fact that I have to ask people to repeat themselves about 5 times is an indication my hearing might not be so great anymore either.
Sorry...What?
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I can see me adding 4 ceiling speakers in the next year. It's attic above so I think it will be pretty straight forward for me.
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The fact that I have to ask people to repeat themselves about 5 times is an indication my hearing might not be so great anymore either.
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Sorry...What?
I keep chuckling to myself about this.

Such a dad joke. The old man was fond of this type.
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I wonder if the ceiling speakers will need to reach reference level???

There are more than a handful of [op amps] that sound so good that most designers want to be using them as opposed to discreet transistors. Dave Reich, Theta 2009
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The fact that I have to ask people to repeat themselves about 5 times is an indication my hearing might not be so great anymore either.
<- Tinnitus checking in.

Fawk Tinnitus. Just fock it.

It really sucks hearing ringing instead of quiet and my sensation for sound is reduced. I was tested last in 2012 and although I am only 36 my hearing is the lower range of normal. I can still hear well enough to enjoy music and movies but I try to take extra precaution when working with power tools or mowing the lawn, or motocross. I bought an inexpensive pair of Klipsch S4i headphones (earbuds) because they do an outstanding job at blocking out sound with a tight fit and a sound blocking design and now I wear them when I mow the lawn or work with powertools (loud ones). The one killer for me is my crap harbor freight air compressor- that thing is obnoxious and I use it often enough it's very annoying.

Circling back to the original point I wanted to make before I ran on a tangent- Proper audio equipment and even more important proper set up, and even more important than that proper treated and designed room - really will make it easier to hear and more enjoyable. I originally thought that because I didn't have great hearing above 17khz and I had Tinnitus it might not matter for sound proofing or room treatments or going the extra mile but really it matters even more. The easiest way to hear better and more clear is a good room IMO. If your noise floor is 45db you might need to watch at 115db to get the full dynamic range, but lower your noise floor to 20db and you can now watch at 95db and enjoy full dynamic range. Even more importantly, you can watch at 70db and hear most everything in the better room too. Treating for reflections and echo and bass nulls also means hearing more, and not having to play so loud.

Step into a cathedral peak room with hardwood or tile floors and lots of windows without much rugs or curtains and clap your hands, then go clap them in a room with carpet, and drapes and curtains. It's a big difference. The local bar just installed acoustic ceiling tile absorbers and wall absorbers and also installed heavy curtains around the windows and I can now hear conversation in there. Before it was just clutter. Bad hearing is often the result of not being able to differentiate one sound from another, or perceive the difference in loudness from multiple sounds. That makes it hard to hear conversation in a noisy place as an example. I have this. But in a great room I can hear everything- and when I just went to see Godzilla in the theater I noticed how great it sounded and the localization of the sound. The room is the key, but certainly with the right room and right set up you will enjoy ATMOS or any other form of object localization even with bad hearing.


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Patience, but not moderation though eh?
I suck equally with patience as I do with moderation. It's easier to give advice than take it. If I could actually afford a new AVR with ATMOS to replace my not old enough yet Denon 11.2 AVR I am not even using height or wides with yet, I'd probably do it. But the matter is being decided for me, my checkbook is made from rubber now that I have twins and wifey isn't working.


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I wonder if the ceiling speakers will need to reach reference level???
I would think so. The mixers would mix it at the volume they want you to experience it. So if it's not the volume of reference they wouldn't mix it that loud. But using a speaker that's far below the others in capabilities or output might not get the proper result. Not at full reference or great volume anyways...
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Honestly, I have no idea. The room that is currently in construction (hopefully finished soon) is wired for 7.4. I could wire for 4 ceiling speakers, but my ceiling is just over 7 feet, so I don't know if it would be a waste. I can't seem to find a minimum height for them to be effective.

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Ok I'll bite..........

I may be old, but wise enough to prepare!

Since I'm in the middle of coffered ceiling project, makes sense to pre-wire for VOG speakers. BTW, speaking of VOG........thank God I have ten foot ceilings!

With coffers getting deeper by the minute, I haven't seem diagram for home cinema.......does anyone have a link specific to residential?

After doing some reading.......best to prepare by wearing a life preserver before the ship Titanic sails!.
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It's probably more a volume and channel leveling problem with some delay if they are too close- but matching them in volume, using a design that works well near field in your situation, and perhaps some delay to make the sound reach you the same time other speakers do would turn out ok.

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Atmos and Auro have different recommended height speaker layouts, and DTS UHD only seems to say it will work with any speaker layout, so it will be interesting to see how everyone who is willing to upgrade choose which if both atmos and auro are released on BR, and will this be a BR vs HDDVD kinda deal in which some studios only release in one format and other studios in the competing format hence requiring an avr to have both capabilities such as current dolby thd and dtsma? And with BR now working on details of a UHD(4k) will there be enough room on the disc for all this? Obviously so far anyone who mostly streams still can't get current lossless formats and with the assumingly extra information these newer audio formats bring pretty much keeps it off the streaming viewing at least for the near future.
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I haven't seem diagram for home cinema.......does anyone have a link specific to residential?
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Maybe this one day: 7.1 layout including Dolby Atmos-enabled front and surround speakers or add-on speaker modules

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Is it just me or does the front and top height as well as the comparable rears seem to be too close together to have an appreciable effect in sound moving around on screen? I guess if the room is large enough and the actual distances significant then maybe but in most home based movie rooms would it really be worth the extra speaker/wire/amplification? Of course many even on the forum may be asking this of anything beyond 5.1! In my current 11.2, my height speakers are in the position of the top front heights but directed to the seated position and this seems to work ok with most of the matrixed sound being that it typically is mostly ambient in nature. I never did try placing the front heights were typically pictured, since my ceiling is only 8 ft and my front towers are almost 5 ft , I couldn't image a monitor speaker being able to 'add' anything competing with that.
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Thanks.....

So......

I have two sets of side surrounds than I am NOT moving. I'm ok with placing additional speakers in ceiling since coffered ceiling will hide and work quite easily.

Appreciate the photos.......sure helps.
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Honestly, I have trouble finding true 7.1 content let alone 9.1/9.2/11.2+.
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Atmos has my attention because of some unique aspects I can incorporate in my builds. I will of course wait to see what type of matix processing is possible using the Onkyo equipment, and therein move prudently and with due measure, .......but with hidden Ceiling placement possible, and acoustic advantages inherent in the use of Audio Transducers, along with the potential of installing such a system in not just large Theater designs but those of more humble dimensions, I can see the potential to provide the next level of fully immersive , mutil-channel sound.

And actually do so at a reasonable degree of affordability.

The other advantage I seem to have is the frequent opportunities I am presented with in the New Home Construction market.

So yes....I'm in.

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Honestly, I have trouble finding true 7.1 content let alone 9.1/9.2/11.2+.
When I heard the wides being used in a 5.1 set up (wides were used instead of the 7.1 rears IIRC in this case), the processing filled in the wide speakers quite well - a helicopter flying from the sides to the front in Apocalypse Now had a much better transition and it worked really well - the wides filled in the large gap between side surrounds and LCR.

It probably won't work with all movies, but if the processing can do a good job filling in additional wide speakers, I'm sure it can fill in others as well, to give the 3D sound effect we're after. Of course, there may also be errors where sounds come from places they're not supposed to in some cases, so we'll have to wait and see if the pros outweigh the cons in those movies. We're all going to be watching non 3D audio movies for quite some time until/if they're going to be reissued with the new sound encoded on them.

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As much as it's kinda fugly, the drop ceiling in my man cave has allowed me to make changes that would otherwise be difficult. I'm totally jumping in and getting some height speakers. It should be pretty easy for me to install them. I will still wait to set it all up until more is known about the receivers and such. Getting a new receiver is going to be hard to justify to the wife seeing as the one I have is pretty damned good and works just fine.

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