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View Poll Results: Will you modify your theater for Atmos?
Hell yeah! As soon as I see the set up guide, I'm in and will wait for content after modding room. 32 23.36%
No way! 7.1 is all I'll install or pay for. 16 11.68%
I will wait for content and what else shakes out, maybe 6 months or a year or more.. 89 64.96%
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DOLBY ATMOS coming to Homes in Fall. Who's modding their theaters for such?

With Auro and Atmos now announced for home, things are changing. Who's going to adopt?

http://blog.dolby.com/2014/06/dolby-...ing-room-near/

Onkyo will be first with Atmos on board (surprise) and here is a link to various speaker configurations...

http://dolbyatmos.onkyousa.com/
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I will wire for it. I'll also wire for heights and wides. Plus 8 extra subs. SO what is that 16.8 ?

Ideally I will probably end up with some type of SEOS waveguide speaker for LCR (12" or dual 12" MMT or MTM) and something like an 8" for surrounds (x2 columns for sides) and again for 2 more in the back. Then probably the same for heights and wides, and then perhaps a low profile coax in my ceiling (inside the sound proofing shell)

I won't run the wides, heights or ATMOS yet (cost reasons) or the second row of surrounds. That will be project #2 after the room is completed. The first step of speakers I will do during room construction. My current AVR is 11.2 with height and wides but it's a Denon and does not do ATMOS. I will consider doing ATMOS when I upgrade my AVR.

Short story.. I will wire for it but it might be a couple years before I can actually use it.

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I am waiting to see how the speakers need to be positioned, and if I can fit them into my setup... If I can then I will upgrade down the road when I upgrade my AVR.

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Although the whole thing does remind me of the old Steve Martin comedy album - with 11.1 we really have reached dodecaphonic!!!

I assume DTS will counter with their Googolphonic(tm) system?
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My next HT speaker layout needs to be "compatible" with immersive audio content delivered as:


Dolby Atmos . . . no real info about movie content


DTS-UHD . . . no details available yet


Auro-3D . . . no real info about movie content


MPEG-H 3D . . . spec not quite finalized


ATSC 3.0 audio . . . spec barely started


So I think I'll wait a bit longer before I commit to any new layout!
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I'm in as I've already ordered the speakers. Fortunately, I can still play with placement.
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I'm old, losing my hearing.....and not in mood to change again. My 9.4 suits me just fine......especially with a TEQ-12.
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I'll see how much speaker wire I have left over after my next buildout. If I have enough, I'll go ahead and wire for the "Sound Objects" layer.

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I'm old, losing my hearing.....and not in mood to change again. My 9.4 suits me just fine......especially with a TEQ-12.
I wouldn't disagree... When did you get your TEQ? Did you have Curt set it up?

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Oh heck yeah. 7.1.4 for me. I'm starting out the plans for home theater 2.0 as I type this. I was just going to do another 7.1 with kickers again, but might as well put in the other 4 speakers.
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I am actually wiring my theater today/tonight and spent some time in the Onkyo Atmos thread this morning. I was originally wiring my theater for 7.2 however with the Atmos news, I wired my theater for 9.2. I am having a hard time keeping speaker wire away from electrical wires as it is. I think I am maxed at 9.2. I have a small theater and drilling through studs for electrical and 12 AWG in wall speaker wire and sub cables is a tight fit. I would love to run more, but room is really an issue for me. I am just maxed out. Now on the bright side, I actually wired my 4 surround speakers on the ceiling. I am running my wire over head on the ceiling to low voltage boxes and dropping surround wires from the ceiling to my wall speakers, You won't see them, but they will feed from the ceiling. I could easily convert them them to in wall ceiling speakers and then put 4 surrounds on stands. So I could in a way run a 7.2.4.

Purely my opinion, but I believe Atmos would become very popular with wireless surround speakers. Another option would be using Ghost wire or flat speaker wire. Would be a great option for people who don't want to tear their walls up or fish wires up the walls.

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I wired my theater for 9.2. I am having a hard time keeping speaker wire away from electrical wires as it is.
I kept electrical toward the bottom of the wall and speaker wire near the top. If I had to intersect, it was at 90 degrees. No problems so far.

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I kept electrical toward the bottom of the wall and speaker wire near the top. If I had to intersect, it was at 90 degrees. No problems so far.
If you look at my sig and goto to my build thread, you can see my framing issues. It is a very difficult room to work in with a header at the top and I had to take out 6 windows. I had to add all new circuits to beef up the electric, so I have more wires in the way along with the recessed lighting. I am making lemonade out of my lemons. It has been challaging, not to mention I am a noob at all this.
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Well, I have the denon 4520, and have 11.2 speaker set up with the height speakers on the ceiling just 45 degrees and directly facing the seated position rather than the dts neo recommendation of on front wall above the LR, so by looking at the recommendations all I need to do as add another pair just above and slightly behind the seated position for the ideal rear surround, rear height, front height to LR for fly overs from behind or viceversa. It should be much more realistic and engaging to have object based sound movement rather than the dts matrixed height and width mix now which is rather amorphous. Now I have an excuse to upgrade my amplifier and see when denon releases such a capable avr, although I did love my onkyo 805 prior to the denon.
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I think this is a plot to sell more speaker wire. And maybe speakers too.
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I think this is a plot to sell more speaker wire. And maybe speakers too.

I wouldn't disagree but in the audio side of home theater, there have been very few, significant improvements. This is a big one!!
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I wouldn't disagree but in the audio side of home theater, there have been very few, significant improvements. This is a big one!!
Yup, the last 8 years of movie sound on Blu-ray can be summed up in one term: 8 channels of lossless audio. Finally, something new after 8 years of the same.

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I have heard this in an AMC theater in Orlando and it is awesome!
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Looks like I'm in the minority here, but I'm wiring for all available channels with four subwoofers right now. I'm at the place in my build where I can easily wire for it, so why not? To be honest, even if I had already put up the planned triple-drywall layers, I'd still cut the holes and run the wires for Atmos anyway. I've been looking forward to it that much. Folks can wait for content; I won't knock them, as each person's priorities are different. I didn't wait before getting the 4k projector, and I can't wait before configuring for Atmos. I'd rather be able to utilize the Atmos content immediately upon availability.
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You should be wiring for more than 4 subs
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My next HT speaker layout needs to be "compatible" with immersive audio content delivered as:


Dolby Atmos . . . no real info about movie content


DTS-UHD . . . no details available yet


Auro-3D . . . no real info about movie content


MPEG-H 3D . . . spec not quite finalized


ATSC 3.0 audio . . . spec barely started


So I think I'll wait a bit longer before I commit to any new layout!
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I agree that compatibility plays a large role in my decisions moving forward too.


In the mean time, though they are more towards the discrete channel side, there is one more choice:


DTS Neo:X . . . Currently available


Though there are only three movies that feature Neo:X, many more can still be enjoyed this way through processing. And Atmos has currently Zero content. If they make all the movies from 2012 to date that were released in theaters with Atmos, that number will jump.


So until Atmos has more content, the question is will you process your 5.1 and 7.1 movies through an Atmos capable device or Neo:X capable?


ahaha okay, there are way more choices than that! But you get my drift.


Anyone have anything to add with that, or corrections I should be aware of?
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Oh and to stay on topic, I will mod my room at the drop of hat if it makes sense to do so.


The new world of X,Y,Z is very exciting to me!!


Thanks for the poll.
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I'm in as I've already ordered the speakers. Fortunately, I can still play with placement.

Did you order based on any official layout? Such as 5.1, 7.1, or 11.1 (Neo:X)?


Had you planned on wides or heights? If so, how do you plan to incorporate them to the new layout for Atmos? Do you have any limits to your modifications for layout? Such as maybe you ordered towers, and now want them on the wall, or ceiling?
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I think the poll show's how well this is being received. Like UHD/4K there is nothing consumer out there right now. It will take years to get Atmos into homes. Unless they can use software that can mimic the sounds off of a standard Blu-Ray disk. I do not know what part of the the master audio gets transferred to Blu-Ray when it's copied for home use. For this to really work, you are going to need space, and a lot of space even with the 9.1 systems as your looking at ten speakers firing around you.
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As with anything if you have the money and inclination I see some adapting it. I don’t have an interest at most I might add two height speakers at some point.

I will eventually upgrade to a 4k projector in a few years when there is more content and cost comes into my price range. That to me will be a significant upgrade in performance than adding several more speaker channels.

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Having recently finished my dedicated room I am kicking myself for not pre wiring more. There is always some disappointment when the next big thing comes along and you don't have the latest and greatest.

However there are many upgrades that I find to be more pressing and not enough money to do all of them.

I wonder how the impact of atmos could be lessened with decreasing the size of the room. Many of our rooms are quite small. I am not saying that it would not still be worth the upgrade but I wonder how much difference it makes if your speakers are already near the ceiling and reflecting all kinds of waves off of the ceiling. Will it be a night and day difference? I dunno. I am curious to find out. We may very well be entering the law of diminishing returns here. But if I find it to be an enjoyable experience and the content is there then I would go ahead and run wires (painstakingly) for the extra channels and buy more speakers along with a shiny new AVR if funds permit.
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Did you order based on any official layout? Such as 5.1, 7.1, or 11.1 (Neo:X)?


Had you planned on wides or heights? If so, how do you plan to incorporate them to the new layout for Atmos? Do you have any limits to your modifications for layout? Such as maybe you ordered towers, and now want them on the wall, or ceiling?
I ordered based on Auro:

7.1 + 2 Front Heights + Two Side Heights + 2 Rear Heights - Quasi 11.5 (side heights and rear heights will get the same signal)

I ordered all monitor sized speakers (Quested) and 5 Seaton Submersives for bass.

I like the idea of wides and tried out such in my room when I had a Trinnov Demo price. Pretty amazing result. I can add them later if they can be incorporated.

I am planning on purchasing the Datasat RS-20i unless I can get a smoking deal on the very expensive Trinnov Altitude.

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Many of our rooms are quite small. I am not saying that it would not still be worth the upgrade but I wonder how much difference it makes if your speakers are already near the ceiling and reflecting all kinds of waves off of the ceiling. Will it be a night and day difference? I dunno. I am curious to find out.
+1 I am struggling to see how this will work in small rooms. The rear of my room will be packed enough with channels at 7.1.....I'm not convinced adding ceiling and heights will result in any significant differences

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What about the competition to Atmos from other companies ?

If history and past experience taught me anything it's that I should skip the intro generation and wait for the follow up that has more. I'd hate to miss out on DTS or or a third option just to be first.

There's a lack of content the first year anyways. Patience rewards you with value.

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