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youthman 06-25-2014 08:44 AM

Youthman's Home Theater 2.0 Build
 
I am excited to begin Youthman's Home Theater 2.0! I have been enjoying my HT now for a few years. Lots of changes in gear and speaker configurations as well as a TON of high quality photos that I documented in my HT 1.0 Build. Many, many thanks to all of you for your help and suggestions during my first HT build.

My HT 1.0 was built around a Klipsch Reference System consisting of RF-83 mains, RC-64 center, RS-62ii side surrounds and RS-62ii back surrounds. Recently, I purchased a pair of Klipsch LaScalas and was blown away at the clarity and dynamics compared to my Klipsch RF-83 / RC-64. I liked them so much, I purchased a third Klipsch LaScala and sold my trusty RF-83 / RC-64 front soundstage.

My current false wall was designed around the RF-83 so in order to accommodate the wider LaScalas, I have decided to redesign the entire front wall and make some upgrades in the process.

Room Dimensions: 13' x 19' with 10' ceilings.

Current 7.1 Dedicated Home Theater Specs: (last updated 09/07/14)
Speakers:
(3) Klipsch LaScalas for LCR
Klipsch RS-62ii Side Surrounds
Klipsch RS-62ii Back Surrounds
(2) Klipsch RSW-15 Subs (Maple)

Video:
Panasonic AE3000u Projector
103" Elite Cinescope (2.35:1) Screen
PS4 for Bluray
AppleTV

Audio:
Harman Kardon AVR 3600 Receiver
Sherbourn 72100A (200 x 7) Amp (7 Monoblocks housed in one chasis with 7 Teroidal Transformers)

Misc:
Harmony One Remote
DIY Acoustic Panels

Upgrade Plans for the 2.0 Build:
Upgrade from 103" non-AT screen to a 140" - 150" AT Seymour Screen (fabric has been ordered)
Redesign the entire front cabinet
Upgrade from Lutron Maestro to Lutron Spacer Lighting System
Add Lighting to cabinet as well as behind the cabinet for various lighting scenes.
Move projector from ceiling pole to inside the rear wall
Install (3) Klipsch LaScalas behind the AT Screen

Current HT Photos

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...Front-Wall.jpghttp://www.soleproductions.com/forum...Screenshot.jpg

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...-Rear-Wall.jpg

Here are my previous RF-83 / RC64 next to the Klipsch LaScala Trio.

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...vs-RF-83-2.jpghttp://www.avsforum.com/photopost/da...s-RF-83-1.jpeg

http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/da...s-RF-83-2.jpeg

Here are the initial Google Sketchup Drawings that will give you an idea of where I'm headed with the HT 2.0.

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...alse-Wall1.jpghttp://soleproductions.com/forumfile...alse-Wall1.jpg

http://soleproductions.com/forumfile...alse-Wall2.jpg

http://soleproductions.com/forumfile...alse-Wall3.jpg

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...alse-Wall2.jpg

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...alse-Wall3.jpg

youthman 06-25-2014 09:22 AM

My first questions are in regards to projector placement.

In order to achieve a 140" screen, the projector needs to be moved back to the rear wall. the plan is to cut out a spot in the back wall for the projector to sit in. The rear of my HT butts up to my son's closet and a hall closet. Looks like the center of the projector aligns where the hall closet and my son's closet meet so there will be several studs we will need to cut through.

The Panasonic AE3000u does have lens shift but wouldn't it be best to try and get the projector mounted in the center of the wall?

Another question I have is in regards to projector height. I remember when I originally installed the AE3000u, in order for the Zoom Memory feature to work properly, I found online that I needed to mount the projector no higher than the top of the screen or I would have to angle the projector downwards and adjust the keystone. With the projector mounted in the back wall and not mounted upside down, will that change anything? Can the projector still aligned near the top of the screen?

Craig Peer 06-25-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by youthman (Post 25253730)
My first questions are in regards to projector placement.

In order to achieve a 140" screen, the projector needs to be moved back to the rear wall. the plan is to cut out a spot in the back wall for the projector to sit in. The rear of my HT butts up to my son's closet and a hall closet. Looks like the center of the projector aligns where the hall closet and my son's closet meet so there will be several studs we will need to cut through.

The Panasonic AE3000u does have lens shift but wouldn't it be best to try and get the projector mounted in the center of the wall?

Another question I have is in regards to projector height. I remember when I originally installed the AE3000u, in order for the Zoom Memory feature to work properly, I found online that I needed to mount the projector no higher than the top of the screen or I would have to angle the projector downwards and adjust the keystone. With the projector mounted in the back wall and not mounted upside down, will that change anything? Can the projector still aligned near the top of the screen?


Nice new plan. I think it's always best to try and center the screen rather than use horizontal lens shift. Since you have the projector, can't you either check the owners manual or mock it up on a ladder at the back wall to test your proposed new mounting location?

youthman 06-25-2014 08:09 PM

Thx Craig, that's what I thought too. Yes, I can place the unit at the back wall, just can't get it back far enough to project the exact size image I'm needing but it should still give me a good idea of how the projector will behave at that location.

Jonny5nz 06-26-2014 04:12 AM

Subscribed. It might be time for a projector upgrade if you're going that big. For my little HT I was always going to get the AE8000, but now after reading the reviews on Sony's new HW40ES projector, I think I will get one of them...
http://www.projectorcentral.com/sony...tor_review.htm

youthman 06-26-2014 06:54 AM

I don't see a projector upgrade until my current one dies. I want to make sure I get the entire $2500 I invested in it and can't stand the thought of selling it for only $500 - $700. LOL

Before deciding on the screen size, I did bring home some photography paper and stretched it across the width of my room just to give me an idea of what it would look like at that size. I had to move the projector into the doorway to get it back far enough to project that large of an image but it looked great, even on a not so flat surface.

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...een-Test-1.JPG

DavidK442 06-26-2014 06:24 PM

Ahhh....the true sign of an enthusiast: Home Theater 2.0!
The new screen wall sketches look great.
Interesting that you have spent big dollars to replace a perfectly good set of speakers, but are hanging on to a 5? year old projector with average black levels and just barely enough light for your expanded, AT screen. :D We all have our priorities.

Will be great to see it all come together and hear your thoughts on the differences. Subscribed.

youthman 06-26-2014 06:36 PM

Thx David. You have made the assumption that I spent money to upgrade my speakers. The upgrade in speakers is actually funding the new front wall and new screen. I should be able to come close to breaking even after all is said and done.

youthman 06-29-2014 08:11 PM

The seymour screen fabric arrived yesterday but apparently there was a mis-communication in my order. During my conversations with the sales rep, I asked if he recommended the "Precision Cut" which is where they angle the screen to help prevent moire. From what I found online and speaking with him, they have never had an issue with moire but the precision cut just helps guarantee that you will never experience moire.

So when I got ready to place the order, I found out the guy I had been working with was on vacation and the guy that took my order and payment wasn't typically the one placing orders. I told him I did not want to have the Precision Cut and I just wanted the 150" size screen with 4" of extra on each side to attach to the screen. He said 3" was already included so he just added an extra inch to each side. Everything sounded fine until the screen arrived. Instead of sending me a 150" screen, they sent me a MUCH larger piece of fabric so that I could angle and cut it myself. Not quite what I was asking for. I'll have to call them tomorrow to see how much I was overcharged.

youthman 06-30-2014 10:25 AM

I just got off the phone with Jon at Seymour.

It was just as I had figured....the other rep did remove the $45 charge for the "Precision Cut" but he assumed I still wanted to have enough material for me to make the 10 degree angle to help prevent moire.

If he would have sent me a 150" image size with 4" margin for attaching to the screen, it would have been $285.30 vs $307.30 for the fabric so we aren't talking a whole lot of difference. He didn't offer any refund for the difference but I didn't really ask for it either. It was just a miscommunication between us so I'll just angle the screen as much as we can before we cut the fabric.

For 4" margin:

138" x 58.7" Screen Size
146.0" x 66.7" Fabric Size
12 degree angle
14' x 98" = $307.30
Precision cutting 12d / size $45
Shipping $35

Total Cost: $307.30

DavidK442 06-30-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by youthman (Post 25382858)
I just got off the phone with Jon at Seymour.

It was just as I had figured....the other rep did remove the $45 charge for the "Precision Cut" but he assumed I still wanted to have enough material for me to make the 10 degree angle to help prevent moire.

Even though moire isn't a problem I found that angling my sample of XD made the fabric weave slightly less noticeable at closer viewing distances.
Don't know how close your front row is, but likely on the verge of being close enough to see a pattern on bright, panned scenes (sky for instance). Every little bit is going to help.
Another trick I found that helps is to use thin white spandex stretched very tightly as a first layer then install the XD over top. This acts to fill in the tiny black holes of the XD, making the image more solid and likely a tiny bit brighter. You will of course lose another couple db off the top end.
I seem to be very sensitive to screen anomalies so hopefully it will be a complete non issue for you. Regardless, the increased screen size/viewing angle is going to blow you away.

youthman 06-30-2014 11:42 AM

Thx for the advice David. My front row will be around 9' from the new screen.

I'm pretty excited about the size of the new screen.

Al Toid 07-14-2014 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by youthman (Post 25385258)
Thx for the advice David. My front row will be around 9' from the new screen.

I'm pretty excited about the size of the new screen.

Any updates or pictures? We are excited to see it.

youthman 07-24-2014 08:08 PM

Hi Al, unfortunately no updates. My friend who is helping me build the new front wall had to renew his networking engineering certification so the past several weeks he has been studying for the exam. He just finished it this week so I will post updates as soon as they are available. In the meantime, I just uploaded a video tour of my HT to Youtube. To view it in 1080p, you will need to click on the Youtube logo on the video and change the setting to 1080p.


Jonny5nz 07-27-2014 03:23 AM

Nice video. I can't wait to see a giant screen to go with those giant speakers!

youthman 07-27-2014 08:38 PM

Shaun just sent me the latest renderings with some new changes.

The screen will have two hidden latches (similar to door handles on a car) that will release the screen. Gas shocks will hold the screen open.

The bottom three middle compartments will be able to slide forward via a 500lb max capacity commercial rail system. This will allow for MUCH easier access to the rear components.

The RSW-15 will be moved underneath one of the main LaScalas.

Here are the latest renderings thanks to Shaun Ivy.

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...ont-Wall-1.jpg

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...ont-Wall-2.jpg

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...ont-Wall-3.jpg

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...ont-Wall-4.jpg

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...ont-Wall-5.jpg

ellisr63 07-28-2014 11:02 AM

Your're gonna have a truly AWESOME HT room when you get the new screen wall done! You will not regret going as large as you could.

youthman 08-02-2014 08:29 AM

Cabinet Construction has begun!!!

Shaun picked up the Rough Cut Red Oak. It has been skip planed for grading only.


http://soleproductions.com/forumfile...ut-Red-Oak.jpg

youthman 08-11-2014 09:38 PM

So my son and I purchased Need for Speed tonight. The wife was heading to bed so that meant the Klipsch RSW-15 sub would have to go night night as well since she is such a light sleeper. https://community.klipsch.com/public...efault/sad.png

I switched the Klipsch LaScalas to Full Range since the sub was turned off. You probably know how I have shared how unimpressed I've been with the bass response from the LaScalas. Tonight, my faith in their low frequency performance has been renewed!

We had it at a descent level and I kept finding myself smiling from ear to ear like a little kid on Christmas morn. https://community.klipsch.com/public...lt/biggrin.png As the cars raced by and panned from speaker to speaker, the LaScalas continued to impress me with clarity and for the first time, in low frequency. It was so lifelike and immersive that both my son and I kept commenting how sweet it sounded even without the sub. There were a few LFE drops that the LaScalas handled wonderfully smooth without distortion albeit not the slam I get from the RSW-15.

When the Army Helicopter pulls up from the ridge in the "Hooking Up" scene, the sound of the rotors of the copter was truly stunning.

The more I listen to the LaScalas, the more I confirm that they are a HUGE upgrade from my previous RF-83 / RC-64.



http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...Screenshot.jpg

Porn_Star 08-26-2014 03:03 AM

im gonna follow along with this, as i will soon start building my own setup within the next month

Porn_Star 09-05-2014 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by youthman (Post 25252386)
Upgrade from Lutron Maestro to Lutron Spacer Lighting System

what will this do for you? i am in the process of preping the room i will use and was wondering why you chose the first option, and why are you choosing to change that. also, are you selling your existing setup?

youthman 09-05-2014 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn_Star (Post 8593962)
Quote:

Originally Posted by youthman (Post 25252386)
Upgrade from Lutron Maestro to Lutron Spacer Lighting System

what will this do for you? i am in the process of preping the room i will use and was wondering why you chose the first option, and why are you choosing to change that. also, are you selling your existing setup?

The maestro was inexpensive ($40 at Lowes) and did it's job (to fade my lights slowly over 20 seconds and allow me to control my lights from my harmony one).

With the new false wall, I will be adding three lights to the curve above the screen and lighting behind the AT Screen so that they can "reveal" the LaScalas without having to lift up my screen.

My current Lutron Maestro can only handle one "scene" so all of those lights would have to be the same brightness.

With the Spacer, it can store 3 scenes. So I can have one scene that has all lights off except for behind the screen to reveal the LaScalas.

I can have another scene that has te main six can lights at 60% and the three can lights above the screen at 100%.

Does that help explain it better?

youthman 09-06-2014 05:18 PM

Well, today I picked up a second Klipsch RSW-15 subwoofer. One RSW-15 sounds great....two sounds fantastic!

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...l-rsw-15-1.JPG

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...l-rsw-15-2.JPG

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...l-rsw-15-3.JPG

http://www.soleproductions.com/forum...l-rsw-15-4.JPG

It will be a few months before my friend can begin construction on the new front wall due to having neck surgery. For now, I have both RSW-15's located behind the false wall in the corners. I was going to put them behind the false wall flanking the center speaker but the left subwoofer will not fit behind the wall without me making a platform for it to sit on like I did for the right one. I'll likely keep them in the corners for now just for convenience.

When I build the new wall, do you think they would perform better in the corners or in the location they are now?

Nosferatu 10-16-2014 08:32 PM

I'll bump your thread up. :p

Looks awesome and you paid plenty of attention to detail. :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by youthman (Post 25278721)
I don't see a projector upgrade until my current one dies. I want to make sure I get the entire $2500 I invested in it and can't stand the thought of selling it for only $500 - $700. LOL

The Sony I'm running I hear is going back on sale. Sell your current one, get some $$$ for it, and put that money towards a new one. :)

Check this out...I didn't take this video but it compares similar model of your Panasonic to the Sony I'm talking about.


Quote:

Originally Posted by youthman (Post 25385258)
Thx for the advice David. My front row will be around 9' from the new screen.

I'm pretty excited about the size of the new screen.

You'll see tomorrow what 150" looks like. I sit about 14 feet back and it's "just right". You can try and sit closer (like around 9 feet) and in my opinion it'll look too big.

youthman 10-16-2014 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu (Post 28290354)
I'll bump your thread up. :p

Looks awesome and you paid plenty of attention to detail. :cool:

Thanks Anthony.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosferatu (Post 28290354)
The Sony I'm running I hear is going back on sale. Sell your current one, get some $$$ for it, and put that money towards a new one. :)

Check this out...I didn't take this video but it compares similar model of your Panasonic to the Sony I'm talking about.

That projector looks nice but one of the main features that I require with my 2.35:1 screen is Zoom Memory. Your projector is manual zoom so that wouldn't work for my application because I need to switch between 2.35:1 and 16:9 content.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nosferatu (Post 28290354)
You'll see tomorrow what 150" looks like. I sit about 14 feet back and it's "just right". You can try and sit closer (like around 9 feet) and in my opinion it'll look too big.

It will be great to see a 150" screen in person but it won't be an exact comparison as my screen is 2.35:1 and yours is 16:9. As I mentioned above, I did stretch some photography paper across the front of my wall and shoot a 12' wide image and it was immersive but did not seem too large to me. The photography paper is actually closer than where my new screen will be so I figured I would be ok. Worst case scenario....once we get the new front wall built and shoot the image on the new screen, if I feel it's too large, we can always mask it down to a smaller size screen. But my guess is I'll probably stick with the 150" screen.

Nosferatu 10-16-2014 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youthman (Post 28290778)
It will be great to see a 150" screen in person but it won't be an exact comparison as my screen is 2.35:1 and yours is 16:9. As I mentioned above, I did stretch some photography paper across the front of my wall and shoot a 12' wide image and it was immersive but did not seem too large to me. The photography paper is actually closer than where my new screen will be so I figured I would be ok. Worst case scenario....once we get the new front wall built and shoot the image on the new screen, if I feel it's too large, we can always mask it down to a smaller size screen. But my guess is I'll probably stick with the 150" screen.


Ahh yes looking at your photos you have 2.35:1 ratio instead of 1.78:1. Do you just use black bars on the side for the other ratio content?

Anyways bring by whatever source (Bluray etc.) you want to demo on my rig. I may also pick your brain on getting my bass a tad more under control. The Seaton I use is beastly and I can sometimes get some unwanted room effects when pushed to extreme levels. :p

youthman 10-16-2014 09:01 PM

Most of my viewing content is 2.35:1 and the few blurays that I watch that are 1.78:1, I'm ok with having grey bars on the sides.

Can't wait to see and hear your setup. I'm pretty excited. It's so rare to find local guys that are into audio / video at this level. I'll bring a Bluray or two as well.


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