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The MARVELous Home Theater

I decided to finally document my HT build. It was multiple threads and users in here that helped me get it done, so thanks to everyone.

At firstI was going to use an 11x11 room, but ended up renovating and the room ended up being 21x12.5. My equipment is:
Panasonic AE7000U
Def Tech SM65, CS8080, SR8080BP X4
PSA XS30 X2
Denon X4000 as a pre amp to an Outlaw Audio 7125 amp.
Chairs are Palliser Bullets. Very comfortable for an internet, no test, buy
Visual Apex 120" tension controlled screen
View distance is 14'
A couple of things I learned:

- I don't need 3D, just not worth the extra $1800 when I bought it. I can't evenrecline my seat all the way or it distorts the image.
- I didn't need a tension controlled screen. I have 3 Da-Lites at work at they look just as tight with no waves.

- I wish I would have started researching sound control before I did several speaker and subwoofer upgrades.

All I can say is every time I sit in there and watch anything I just say tomyself or my wife, I love this room. I use it for everything, TV, gaming,movies. People who see it say, "I didn't know projectors looked so good.
Thanks again to all in this forum and other threads for the ideas.
Lets start with the layout:
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The room was made from 1 of my garage bays and my daughters bedroom after she left for college. :-)


Here is the progression with several before and after pics:
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Here are some other shots of my progressions or versions.
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[QUOTE=LowellG;25872842]The room was made from 1 of my garage bays and my daughters bedroom after she left for college. :-)


Nice! After my son went back to school I added in the bedroom he was using as well - made a much bigger room to work with - went from 19 x 15.5 to 15.5 x 25. Allowed me to add a bar and 2 rows of seats.

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The room was made from 1 of my garage bays and my daughters bedroom after she left for college. :-)


Nice! After my son went back to school I added in the bedroom he was using as well - made a much bigger room to work with - went from 19 x 15.5 to 15.5 x 25. Allowed me to add a bar and 2 rows of seats.

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That size space seems about perfect.

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Hopefully will work well for us. My wife really wanted the bar space behind the seats (which I'm building right now) which the length now allows us.

Good luck on your build - I like the blue color!!
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Nice, really like those movie posters..
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Nice, really like those movie posters..


Thanks, I built them after a lot of research in this thread. I used the Roxul AFB in mine. If I do some more I might try a different fabric. My colors are really faded compared to some.


DIY Custom-Printed Movie Poster Acoustic Panels - cheap!

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Hopefully will work well for us. My wife really wanted the bar space behind the seats (which I'm building right now) which the length now allows us.

Good luck on your build - I like the blue color!!

Thanks, I am done with my build, but it seems like the tweaking never stops. At least your wife is getting involved before/during the build. My just kind of shook her head during everything. However, she really enjoys the end results now. I am watching way more HGTV on it than I planned.

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HGTV rocks - esp. the DIY shows! (Oh wait - that's the DIY channel - doh!)

My wife has been there right from the beginning - she gives her input when I ask her - mostly about designs and colors and such which she has a much better eye for. She is looking forward to it being finished as well.

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HGTV rocks - esp. the DIY shows! (Oh wait - that's the DIY channel - doh!)

My wife has been there right from the beginning - she gives her input when I ask here - mostly about designs and colors and such which she has a much better eye for. She is looking forward to it being finished was well.

My wife picked out the paint color and carpet. I told her dark blue and we ended up with the purplish blue. I still like it.

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I have been debating on the whole Dolby Atmos thing. Does anyone know where exact speaker placement would be in a theater this size or if it would even be worth it?

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....I like the blue color!!
That's not just blue, that's SPIDERMAN Blue! The distinction is important.
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That's not just blue, that's SPIDERMAN Blue! The distinction is important.
I stand corrected!
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I stand corrected!
No biggie. Just your typical bit of nonsensical minutia that Marvel fanboys usually get hung up on

Now if it were called the DC-ous Theater, instead of the Marvel-ous Theater then it would've been Superman blue, but, you know how it is, Marvel/DC = oil/water So, Spiderman it is.
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That's not just blue, that's SPIDERMAN Blue! The distinction is important.

Spiderman blue, LOL. I never thought of that, but now that you say it, it does kind of look like it.

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Spiderman blue, LOL. I never thought of that, but now that you say it, it does kind of look like it.
Of course you thought of it! ...sub-consciously. Heck, even your wife thought of it! Why do you think she picked that color?! The MARVEL theater? With a name like that it's automatic. It's built in. You can't NOT think it. It's 1 of those things that you already knew, but you were just so busy doing other stuff, that it took someone else mentioning it, to remind you that you already knew it anyway. See? Simple
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I order a UMIK-1 to run REW for this room, but what I am concerned about is possible sub locations for better results. What can I really do with this room? My two thoughts were put the subs together front center for 1 giant sub. The second was right front and left back for a cross sub setup. Any other suggestions?

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Try this Lowell:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Set the gain on both subs to the same level - around 12:00-2:00 on the gain knob is a good starting point (just a starting point, gain structure can vary greatly from one manufacturer to another). Set phase to "0" on both subs for now.

1. Connect sub #1 only and place it at the MLP
2. Do the sub crawl to determine the best position for sub #1
3. Place sub #1 in that position
4. Connect both subs and place sub #2 at the MLP (with sub #1 playing as well)
5. Do the sub crawl to determine the best position for sub #2
6. Place sub #2 in that position
7. Playing the AVRs test tone, adjust phase on one of the subs until you get the maximum SPL at the MLP (could be variable or a simple 0/180 switch)
8. Run Audyssey, first mic position only, and "calculate"
9. Look to see where Audyssey has set your sub trim, you want it to be around -5db to -8db ideally
10. Adjust the gain on both subs by the same amount up or down as needed
11. Repeat 8-10 until you get the sub trim around -5db to -8db
12. Run the full Audyssey calibration
13. Bump up the sub trim by 3db to 6db to your preference
14. Enjoy!

Hope this helps!
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Try this Lowell:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Set the gain on both subs to the same level - around 12:00-2:00 on the gain knob is a good starting point (just a starting point, gain structure can vary greatly from one manufacturer to another). Set phase to "0" on both subs for now.

1. Connect sub #1 only and place it at the MLP
2. Do the sub crawl to determine the best position for sub #1
3. Place sub #1 in that position
4. Connect both subs and place sub #2 at the MLP (with sub #1 playing as well)
5. Do the sub crawl to determine the best position for sub #2
6. Place sub #2 in that position
7. Playing the AVRs test tone, adjust phase on one of the subs until you get the maximum SPL at the MLP (could be variable or a simple 0/180 switch)
8. Run Audyssey, first mic position only, and "calculate"
9. Look to see where Audyssey has set your sub trim, you want it to be around -5db to -8db ideally
10. Adjust the gain on both subs by the same amount up or down as needed
11. Repeat 8-10 until you get the sub trim around -5db to -8db
12. Run the full Audyssey calibration
13. Bump up the sub trim by 3db to 6db to your preference
14. Enjoy!

Hope this helps!


I appear to have a room null between 60-80Hz. Would hiring somebody from BB Magnolia or the local AV installer be recommended, or would it just be a waste of money.

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A waste of money, Lowell.

You have REW, you can figure out your issues yourself...as you've already done by identifying what you think is a null.

Care to post up some graphs so we can confirm said "null"?

How did you determine it's a null? What sub placements did you try? Did you do the sub crawl?
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OK, I am putting an REW pic here trying to follow the Audessey sub distance tweak recommended by BassHead. However, for what might seem like simple instructions to the experienced people following step two is tricky. In REW I don't know how to use a monotone test signal, so I used the signals provided with my UMIK-1. I used the narrow band response 90 degrees and my mic head was 90 degrees from the front sound stage at the MLP. The chart below was run using the sub distance tweak instructions and the receiver was on DLP 2 Cinema mode where only the CC was used with no mains.


Yellow Line Sub Only
Greenish Blue line CC only
Blue line all with CC CO at 80Hz
Orange line all with CC CO at 150Hz


There definitely is an issue with my CC and Subs. I have tried adjusting the sub distances 1 foot at a time with an SPL meter from 6-25 feet. Best comes at a distance of 14.5 feet where these measurements were taken which is 1 foot less than XT32 set them at. Any suggestion's.
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Yup, you got a pretty bad null between 75hz and 110hz. You were able to move it, but not fix it with the distance tweak. BTW, that's a "mono" signal, not monotone. You seem to have did it right, though!

You got what looks like another one centered around 37hz.

I'd be interested in seeing measurements of your FL, FR and center (measured individually as "large" and overlayed). I bet those nulls will show up on your FL/R graphs as well and will confirm that the only solution is sub placement, MLP placement or more subs.

You must have a huge CC, it's got some really good extension.
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Yup, you got a pretty bad null between 75hz and 110hz. You were able to move it, but not fix it with the distance tweak. BTW, that's a "mono" signal, not monotone. You seem to have did it right, though!

You got what looks like another one centered around 37hz.

I'd be interested in seeing measurements of your FL, FR and center (measured individually as "large" and overlayed). I bet those nulls will show up on your FL/R graphs as well and will confirm that the only solution is sub placement, MLP placement or more subs.

You must have a huge CC, it's got some really good extension.

I think I got everything fixed, at least to my ears. I think the problem was I was putting my XS30s to close to the wall. I have pulled them out about a foot from the side and back and the impact is much greater. Very happy now, I just have to decide whether to do Atmos or not.

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How many people have gone Atmos yet? I am thinking about it. Also, may getting rid of my SR8080BPs and going with monopole all the way around like 8 PM800s for surrounds and Atmos. Any thoughts?

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How many people are using in wall speakers for surrounds in a theater like this with the seats against the back wall. Also, anybody done Atmos in one this size?

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Thought I would come back with a couple more lessons learned.











I have moved my seating a little closer, could probably go even more. That brings up 2 things, I should have made the rear riser larger so I could scoot the back seats off the wall more, 2 now my side surrounds seam a little further back than I want. I even remember the contractor asking me which set of 2x4s I wanted the wires ran down. I should have had him go 1 more set forward. The more I watch everything the more I think I could have went with a bigger screen.

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What chairs did you purchase?

What chairs did you purchase? Just curious as i was looking to upgrade my seating. Those look like palisers... Also, are you a tall guy by any chance. I'm 6'5" and have struggled finding an affordable theater chair that fits my frame.

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What chairs did you purchase? Just curious as i was looking to upgrade my seating. Those look like palisers... Also, are you a tall guy by any chance. I'm 6'5" and have struggled finding an affordable theater chair that fits my frame.

BTW, awesome job with the room, looks great.
Yes, they are the Bullet or slimline. I used them for room width. Your 7" taller than me. I guess it depends what your are used to. They fit me perfect. My head is right in the middle of the head rest and my feet are at the end of the recliner. I am sure you have problems with other furnture too.

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