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Old 08-07-2014, 09:17 AM - Thread Starter
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17'x30' Theater Room with a $15,000 budget. UPDATED / Finished.

*** UPDATE **** ALL DONE! Photos of the finished project posted below. Thanks to this site. I learned a LOT from this site.




Found your site during a google search and you guys seem to know a lot! I've been doing a bunch of site searches on here, but since each room is different I wanted to see if I was on the right path with my new theater build. The room is 17'x30' and so far I've raised the floor and wired some wall and stair lighting. I already have a Epson 5020 projector. Thinking about getting a Yamaha 2040 receiver.

I need help with the speaker selection and placement. Right now I can put speakers pretty much anywhere. Ceiling, walls, or under the seating? I've attached a few photos to help explain the layout. My thought was to place 4 Definitive Technology UIW RCS II's in the walls for the side surround and 2 more in the rear. Also, place a Definitive Technology Super Cube in the floor under the seats and one more near the front under the theater screen. Is there a better way to put speakers in this room?

I was also going to use the wall as the screen, but it seems like after doing research on the site that it would be better to use a screen. Does anyone make a 13' wide screen?

Thanks in advance for any help and tips. Really appreciate this site and everyone who takes their time to help. (BTW, the window will be blacked out too)




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Old 08-07-2014, 11:11 AM
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Break down the budget further. Does the 15k include the 12 seats? The wiring, drywall, flooring, paint, wall coverings, lighting, etc?

You are certainly fine if you are, it will help enornously to figure out more of your plans though. Basement build, do you need sound isolation? Going with GG double drywall? Clips for ceiling? What are your goals?

Are you going DIY or hiring it out, or some of each?
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Good questions. The space was going to be a game room, however the game room out grew the space and was moved. So I had this 17'x30' space that wasn't planned for anything and decided to do a theater room. It's on the 2nd floor of a shop and not much is set in stone yet. So right now I have complete access to the walls, floor and ceiling. Keeping the sound contained to the room is not an issue and my plan was to just place drywall over the studs (I'm guessing since you asked about GG and clips my drywall on the studs my idea might not be the best way?). I'm not even sure what GG or why I would double drywall? Sound Proof?

My goals, like many of us here, is to build a kick butt theater room so we can have a real theater experience at home.

The only things set in stone are the following (already purchased these items):

Projector = $2,400
Seating location and 12 theater seats = $5,100
TOTAL SPENT = $7,500

I have around $7,500 left to spend on the following items (next to them is what I think they will cost):

-Receiver (around $1,200)
-2 Subs (around $1,100)
-4 Surround Sound Speakers (around $2,000)
-2 Rear Speakers (around $1,000)
-Center Channel Speaker (around $900)
-2 Front Speakers (around $1,300)

Things I have not budgeted for but might need to find some money for is a screen in case the speakers need to go behind it. I was just going to finish the drywall out smooth and use the wall as the screen. I'm doing all the work myself and I have zero experience building a theater room. I've learned that everyone knows at least one thing I don't know. So if I look and listen I can learn from almost anyone.

I open to putting the speakers anywhere right now. Is it better to do in the ceiling, walls or both? Should I use a screen or will the drywall work if I finish it smooth?

Thanks Coolhand for the reply and your help.



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Break down the budget further. Does the 15k include the 12 seats? The wiring, drywall, flooring, paint, wall coverings, lighting, etc?

You are certainly fine if you are, it will help enornously to figure out more of your plans though. Basement build, do you need sound isolation? Going with GG double drywall? Clips for ceiling? What are your goals?

Are you going DIY or hiring it out, or some of each?
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Thought I would add this note because I know neebies like myself can get over their heads and this type of project is not easy nor for everyone. However, I'm above average with construction and very confident working with my hands. This building is a large man cave my wife and I starting building 2 years ago. The county inspector said he's never seen one built as nice by a home owner before. I have done it all myself after work and on weekends. I'm hoping that knowing this will ease the minds of some of the experts on here (and there seems to be a lot of experts on here). Compared to me, everyone is an expert with Audio / Video! lol

Thanks for any help you can give me with this theater room. I know so very little about theater rooms! But part of the fun is learning and meeting people who have a passion for it.
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I would strongly advise to diy your subs, LCR and surrounds. Head over to the DIY speakers and sub thread. For that big of space, and your apptitide, you can't go wrong. They can help you. I would look at the Fusion 12's or 15's from DIY sound group. They have flatpack kits with crossover, woofer etc. You just assemble.

With the money you may save, though personally, I would double or triple your sub budget, I would definately go a real screen.

by the way, nice place!

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Nice space inside and out. Love the 3 tiers you have for the seating.

Double drywall, green glue, clips and hat channel would be to contain sound from affecting other areas of your home while you have it cranked. The flip side is if you live in busy area that has a lot of road noise that may penetrate your space while you are enjoying it; using the mentioned soundproofing techniques would aid in preventing unwanted noise from coming in as well.

You may not have heard of it yet, but if I were in your shoes I would be looking at doing an Atmos setup, or at least plan for it in the near future.

http://dolbyatmos.onkyousa.com/ Onkyo's take on it.

At the very least you should run wiring to the possible speaker locations in the ceiling so that if you get a Atmos receiver now or later on you can simply add some ceiling speakers to get the added sound effects.
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GoCaboNow, did you build your theater room yourself? I just looked at your photos and OMG! What a fantastic room.

Thanks for the tips.

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I would strongly advise to diy your subs, LCR and surrounds. Head over to the DIY speakers and sub thread. For that big of space, and your apptitide, you can't go wrong. They can help you. I would look at the Fusion 12's or 15's from DIY sound group. They have flatpack kits with crossover, woofer etc. You just assemble.

With the money you may save, though personally, I would double or triple your sub budget, I would definately go a real screen.

by the way, nice place!
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Good idea on the Atmos! thanks.

How do I find out if the Yamaha RX A2040 has Atmos? I read they 2014 model does, was there a 2013 model that doesn't have it?


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Nice space inside and out. Love the 3 tiers you have for the seating.

Double drywall, green glue, clips and hat channel would be to contain sound from affecting other areas of your home while you have it cranked. The flip side is if you live in busy area that has a lot of road noise that may penetrate your space while you are enjoying it; using the mentioned soundproofing techniques would aid in preventing unwanted noise from coming in as well.

You may not have heard of it yet, but if I were in your shoes I would be looking at doing an Atmos setup, or at least plan for it in the near future.

http://dolbyatmos.onkyousa.com/ Onkyo's take on it.

At the very least you should run wiring to the possible speaker locations in the ceiling so that if you get a Atmos receiver now or later on you can simply add some ceiling speakers to get the added sound effects.
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http://usa.yamaha.com/news_events/au..._av_receivers/

The new 2040 will have Atmos via firmware update come September supposedly. Co-worker is planning on getting one of those and I was telling him about the possibility to do Atmos with it. His plan right now is to go from 7.1 to 9.1 with some height channels. According to this site you can do up to 11.2 setup with external amp. Although Atmos may list it as 7.1.2 or 7.1.4.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...abled/#!bydA0x
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GoCaboNow, did you build your theater room yourself? I just looked at your photos and OMG! What a fantastic room.

Thanks for the tips.
Thank you. Yes, I did myself as many have on this board. Mine is certainly in the cheaper end of things, but I like it just the same.

Definately prep for ATMOS. I would build some nice, big, surrounds and put in columns since you wave so much width to work with.

Get ready to go down the rabbit hole.

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This site was the main reason I was able to complete my theater to the level I did. I listen to the wise words of the members who took their time to give me advice. When I started out I just wanted to buy a package and put it in place, however in the end I ended up building a lot of the components based on information and how to's from this site. I could not imagine it coming out better. The theater is 100% suspended on a huge glue-lam and the feeling you get in this theater is unlike anything I've ever heard and felt anywhere. I've turned it up to 35% of max and it feels like the walls are going to come down. I can stand outside and see the gutters shake! I owe a HUGE thank you to the members that took time to help me. Here's some photos of my man cave all done.



















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The theater is suspended by this 3' glue-lam. That glue-lam is 30' long and makes the bass feel like an earthquake.





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wow!!! Amazing.

One comment - That doesn't look like a 15K theather, it looks more like a 100K theater
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wow!!! Amazing.

One comment - That doesn't look like a 15K theather, it looks more like a 100K theater
+ 1 to that, looks like a pro-built cinema costing hundreds of thousands. Well done! *drool*
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nice theater C O D Y. Can you list of what equipment u have like speakers, subs etc....?
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All the equipment was purchased or made based off suggestions from memebrs on this site. I designed and made the subs that use UXL 18's and are tuned to 15 hertz (got all the help from the DIY forum on here). The JBL's are used for LCR's and surrounds and the subs behind the seats are 12" sealed that fit in a custom sealed enclosure. The ceiling speakers are Definitive Technology. 7 Crown amps and 1 iNuke power the system and the Pre Amp is a Marantz 7702 with Atmos.

What's neat is I knew NOTHING, and I mean zero, about home theaters before finding this forum. Doing searches and getting help from members is what gave me the knowledge to complete the project to the level it is. Every piece of equipment I purchased I had never heard of before coming here to this site. I just can't say enough how thankful I am for the site search button and to everyone on this site who helped.

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Great looking room!
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Great Job!!!

What did you use for your screen material?

Also looks like a 5030 Projector?
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From knowing "nothing" at the start to the finished photos at the end is amazing! It looks fantastic. Great job!

Enjoy!
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wow!!! Amazing.

One comment - That doesn't look like a 15K theather, it looks more like a 100K theater
Agreed. Looks like the candy alone was 15k lol. Good job!!!
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Thanks for all the encouraging comments.

I used the Seymour DIY screen material and attached it to a sign frame system. http://www.seymourav.com/screensDIY.asp

The 5030 is correct! Good eye.

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What did you use for your screen material?

Also looks like a 5030 Projector?
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That looks amazing! VERY nice work. Can you get a shot of the equipment racks? What did you use for the surround speakers? Which Crown amps did you go with? The JBL's were a perfect choice.
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