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Doug's Basement Theater

I have just finished remodeling my living room (tag at the bottom of the page), so now I'm on to our partially finished basement which will be completely torn out. Wife wants this done yesterday, but I'm looking at 2 years to complete. We have a revolving door for the neighborhood kids and my daughter can't spend 5 seconds without a friend over, so we want a place for them to relax that is a different place than the one where Wife and I relax. We will also build in a bedroom, full bath, and kitchenette for a place for the folks to stay when they visit. I really enjoy my music and scifi, so soundproofing to the upstairs is greatly stressed for this project as my wife does not appreciate my listening sessions that last long after she has gone to sleep. This won't be a big HT and I don't have a huge budget. I have 8' ceilings and a ceiling support every 11'. Each one is right in the way, so this will be a narrow and long theater. Final size will be determined once I get everything ripped out, but it will be about 10x26 with an extra 3 feet on one side at the front and 8 feet on the same side at the rear entry. I'm a saltwater reef geek, so I will be incorporating an existing 270 gallon reef tank in the wall at the rear of the room.

I will demo, design, upgrade the electrical panel, and work on soundproofing over the next year. Everything else the next year. I will do all of the work myself and will try to take plenty of photos along the way. I need to learn Sketchup and then I will get some plans posted up.

Here is what I have planned:
- single row of seating
- 2nd row bar seating
- LCR dual LAB15 MBM and Mackie SRM450
- Dual Stereo Integrity HS24 nearfield sealed subs
- Two Othorns
- Two Gjallarhorns
- 130" 2:35 AT screen
- HTPC, JRiver, iRule, Insteon lighting
- Panasonic PT AE8000U
- 270 gallon in-wall reef tank
- new 200amp panel
- rock veneer existing fireplace
- install a sump pump
- carpet flooring

edit: new size 7' 8" ceiling, 13'6" wide, 19' long HT area, 6' x 13' open space at the entry - 2464.5 cu ft.



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I like these seats
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Some pics of the current "Wreck Room," land of Barbies, crafts, couch and giant subwoofer purgatory.

This will be the back. The bathroom will be expanded to include a shower


The screen wall will be to the left of the support poles


This is extra space and the entry from upstairs and the garage. This might be a good place for the kitchenette if I can figure out a drain


The bedroom is to the back left and will continue through the wall on the left


Another view of the bathroom area. The kitchenette might be to the right of the door and go a couple of feet past the sweet American Girl doll hot air baloon


This fireplace is in the way...


Here's a photo of the reef tank that will be in-wall before the entry of the room. Most of these corals will be moved from this 220 upstairs to the 270 in the basement after it is moved:

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Part 1 finished two days ago by ripping out the wall at the entrance to the HT to accommodate the reef tank.









Part 2 finished complete today which involved moving the 900 pound reef tank by myself. I put most of the water and corals in some large Rubbermaid stock tanks, left just enough for the fish to stay upright, padded the glass from the rocks with whatever I could find, then jacked and cribbed the tank on stand onto furniture dolleys and moved it into place. Start to finish: 6 hours

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Filled these up with the existing tank water



Braced the tank to the vase so it wouldn't slide off and jacked it up on to some furniture trucks



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Rolled it across the room, lowered it in to place, put everything back in


Now I can start measuring things out for the HT
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That's a nice size tank.
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That's a nice size tank.


She's a biggun! My legs and back are feeling it today.



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Here's a little better view of what I have to work with. You are looking at the screen wall at the end of the room:



This chair is where the MLP would be


View from the chair
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Still can't believe moving the tank was a one man job.

This is gonna be good.
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So true. I have been getting rid of stuff so I don't have to move it again. Getting the couches out and moving the rank really opened things up.

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This is gonna be good.

Work smarter, not harder.

I need to remove that support pole. That thing is killing me. I'm thinking about getting an engineer in there to see how big of a beam would have to go in to remove the lolly pole.
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Work smarter, not harder.

I need to remove that support pole. That thing is killing me. I'm thinking about getting an engineer in there to see how big of a beam would have to go in to remove the lolly pole.

If you do let me know what he says.
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I just downloaded the free Dirac trial, it looks like I do need the UMIK - 1 mic. Can I borrow yours? I could stop by after school sometime this week if that works for you.
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I considered leaving out the back wall, thinking the treadmill would see more use if I could see the screen still.
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I just downloaded the free Dirac trial, it looks like I do need the UMIK - 1 mic. Can I borrow yours? I could stop by after school sometime this week if that works for you.

Yep, you sure can - and the mic stand too. I just put my 20' usb cable in the wall so you will need to get ahold of one or move your laptop around with the mic. The cord that it comes with is only 6' long.
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I considered leaving out the back wall, thinking the treadmill would see more use if I could see the screen still.

The treadmill and spin bike will probably go in one of the spare bedrooms. I'm a run/bike outside or go to the gym type of guy, so they don't get much use. I like to have them around for when I get a wild hare though. There will be just enough room behind the seating for a bar with room for the bar stools and walkway to the kitchenette and bathroom. As much as I wanted to have two rows of seating, it looks like one row plus bar will give me the best floor plan without cramping things up.
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Yep, you sure can - and the mic stand too. I just put my 20' usb cable in the wall so you will need to get ahold of one or move your laptop around with the mic. The cord that it comes with is only 6' long.
Thanks!!!! I have a long cord that I use with the omnimic but I think your mic has a different input, I'll figure it out though.

Will you be home Tuesday in the early afternoon?
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Looking good Doug. I was so glad to see that the new dimensions are a bit wider. Going from 10 to 12 ft is huge. It might still be challenging but can be done. I feel you on the ceiling height. Its a bummer and could be tight for the second row to see the screen. Did you find out anything on the support beams?
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I will be and we could let the kids play while we listen to some tunes if you want
I have to get home quick (I'll be on my way home from Liberty), because it's my wife and daughters b-day but I want to see your basement room to be - and hear a few songs with the new found headroom on the G-Horns!!!! I'll text you Tuesday.
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...Did you find out anything on the support beams?

If I can get rid of the beam, I can get the room 15' wide at the front - width restricted by the furnace room on the front right. I haven't found a structural engineer to do the math yet. I could do the math, but I will get a permit for this one. I will install it myself unless welding plates to the existing beam is suggested. The lower the beam gets, the lower the screen will have to be to be.
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Definitely going to keep an eye on this build. Your initial requirements seem to align closely with what I want

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I'd suggest drawing something out on paper... first thing that comes to mind for me is that with the length of your room, you'll have difficulty squeezing in three rows of seating (even if the second row is a stationary couch). My room is about the same length and for comfortable viewing distances, two rows seems optimal with the riser being 6.5-7 feet deep.

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I'd suggest drawing something out on paper... first thing that comes to mind for me is that with the length of your room, you'll have difficulty squeezing in three rows of seating (even if the second row is a stationary couch). My room is about the same length and for comfortable viewing distances, two rows seems optimal with the riser being 6.5-7 feet deep.
I will only use the one row of seating plus a bar top with bar stool seating behind the primary row of seating. I was hoping for two good rows and the bar top, but there needs to be a walkway in the back. I agree with the drawings - I can bind a novel with my drawings so far!
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I have since dedicated a laundry basket(it was handy). It contains drawings from/for multiple layouts for/from multiple rooms. More than just drawings though, general notes and tidbits too.
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I found a structural engineer to help me figure out what I can do with the Lolly pole that stands in the middle of the HT. That's what the annoying poles are called that hold up the beams that keep the upper floors out of the basement. The engineer is concerned about the headroom with adding a larger beam, but says it can be done if municipal codes permit. Also if PJ to screen angle permits. If it won't work, I'm only out $350 and won't always wonder "what if?" and if it does work, I will have papers showing that science proves my work is safe. 12' is the MAX span between Lolly poles in my home using a 4x8" I beam. Stay tuned.
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Doug,
You got any pics to share of the layout on paper? That beam is a real pi55er. Looking forward to the ideas to incorporate the beam.
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You got any pics to share of the layout on paper? That beam is a real pi55er. Looking forward to the ideas to incorporate the beam.

I found the original blueprints. The upper right is the screen wall, with the seats being to the left

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Today the plan is to have two GH and two OH behind the screen wall and some neafield something behind the seats disguised as the bar. It changes every few days ago. I submitted all of the info and drawings to the engineer though so just waiting to hear back from him about what kind of space I have to work with. Then I can really dig in to drawing out some good plans!
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I like your plan. You might be able to reallocate inches here and there.
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