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Rob Hahn Theater build

About 8 years ago, I went to Detroit to visit Art Sonnenborn and Jeff (thebland) so I could experience their theaters, hoping to pick their brains about the best way to approach building my own home theater. I also went to Texas to see Ash Sharma's theater and Lon's (LJG) theater in Long Island.

I can't thank them enough for inviting me into their homes and allowing me to pummel them with zillions of questions. When I was at Art's, Mark Seaton (who was kind enough to hang out with us) mentioned that I should consider Keith Yates as the designer for my room. I said, "Who's that?"

8 years later, I know who Keith Yates is. I'm afraid I don't have a lot of time right now to do an extensive build, but I've got a few photos I can share - mostly showing the finished theater. If people are interested, I can try & upload photos of the entire process (I documented everything). There's a thread that Art started after visiting my theater for the first time last week, where you'll find some descriptions of the theater dimensions and equipment

Here's the link: An Evening With Rob Hahn

Before I go into the details of the room, let's just start with some photos. These first 4 are of the projection room:







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We extensively remodeled our home, gutting half of it & tearing down & rebuilding the other half (the theater section). This allowed us to completely control the space. It was highly important to me that I had enough height to do 4-way masking. I also wanted a fairly wide theater (I don't like shoebox sized commercial theaters).

The largest screen size I could have was 19' - so that's what we ended up with. The exterior box that houses the theater space (as you can see from the pics) became much smaller as we added framing, acoustic treatments, HVAC, etc. These next 5 pictures show the progression of the size of the room from construction to finished product:









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Here are a couple more finished pictures:



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Here are 4 pictures showing the back of the theater from the same angle in various stages (the last one I panned my camera to the right a little to show the size of the screen):







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Next are 3 pictures showing some of the woodwork and fabric, and a 4th pic showing the view from the 3rd row. We used SketchUp and GoToMeeting during the schematic design phase, since Keith's company is on the West coast and I'm on the East coast. In real time, I could ask them to zoom into a specific molding, in 3D, and make adjustments right then & there. They'd upload the the latest design of the theater in SketchUp and I could walk through the theater - it was amazing and extremely helpful. We had to find acoustically transparent fabric, not only for the speakers hidden behind the fabric but also for all the acoustic treatment.

I worked a long time on the design with Keith. I wanted the movie experience to be all encompassing, but I was worried that making a bat cave would be uncomfortable and oppressive. So we built a hybrid. The back half of the room has warm wood and carpet, classic moldings, but the front half surrounding the screen is black. When sitting in the 2nd row, there is only black... The 4th pic, as mentioned shows the view from the 3rd row.







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Next are 3 pictures from the entrance (and one of the ceiling). 1st shows the huge baffle wall that houses the 3 JBL M2 (not installed yet in this pic). The hourglass shapes (6 of them, the 3 below are hard to see) contain 2 24" UberSubs, facing each other - 12 subwoofers total. Also under each center seat in Rows 2 & 3, is one UberSub (so 14 in total). There are also 8 custom designed JL subs sprinkled throughout the room, 22 subs in all.

2nd picture is the finished room...

3rd picture shows what's happening 'behind the curtain.' I'm a cinematographer (Director of Photography) so I had a lot of fun designing the lighting scheme to showcase all the speakers and acoustic treatments behind the fabric.

The 4th picture shows the ceiling and what's behind the fabric. There are 10 speakers in the ceiling (it's an Atmos theater)...







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2 pics from the other side, showing finished theater - the 2nd photo with the behind-the-screen/fabric lighting:



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Lastly (for now), 3 pics from the side... (Sorry for the incomplete info - I just wanted to get the thread started):





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Rob,
Thanks for posting all of this ! Like I said to you just standing out in the yard ,the "tinglies" as I call them ,you must have from this . Since I have a similar take as you on what turns my crank I just can say congrats on getting this long labor of love to come to fruition.


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The lighting to show of the speakers is amazing!

BRB, I need to go buy a few lottery tickets.
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Photos aren't enough - we need a 30-60 minute video tour, delving into all aspects of the theater design and construction
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Wow!
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I see a well deserved Home Theater of The Month (if not HTotY ) in your forecast. Awesome room, thank you for taking the time to share!
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Thanks! I should add that Geoff Franklin of The Projection Room is responsible for the incredible video portion of the theater, including all the _amazing_ wiring of the theater. He & Keith have worked on many projects together so the coordination between them was fluid & flawless...

As I get time, I will upload more pictures. Funny you should mention a video - I actually captured the entire process on 8 timelapse cameras. Talk about editing issues! I don't know if I'll _ever_ get to do it, but I'd love to put all the footage together some day. Problem is, there are too many movies to catch up on!

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Speechless. The amount of time involved in this room is enormous (and I wasn't part of it, I KNOW it was from experience).

When you are bored, drop a list of equipment used.

Once again, outstanding. Your house must be equally impressive.
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I am looking forward to the fabric and light details. Have been attempting to find something similar to exactly what you did.
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Speechless. The amount of time involved in this room is enormous (and I wasn't part of it, I KNOW it was from experience).

When you are bored, drop a list of equipment used.

Once again, outstanding. Your house must be equally impressive.
I kind of want to see the rest of the house. Theater is amazing.
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Wow. Just wow! A truly impressive project.

I'm laughing at myself for the faux pas going on in my head: - when I first started reading the thread, and you said "the first 4 are of the projection room" - I thought you meant, these 4 photos are of the theatre with a projector in it, like we're more used to seeing (I actually thought, 'well, it's a bit tall and narrow, but we're used to seeing people make best use of their limited available space.')

It was only as the thread continued that I realised, you really did mean 'the projector room' - and not the theatre! Talk about 'go big, or go home!'

Brilliant! Just brilliant.
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One of the best theaters I've seen on here. The lighting is amazing.
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Keith did some of the work in my theater. He and his team (particularly Remy) are amazing.

I recognize those giant custom Yates "tube traps" up in your ceiling. In my room if I put my head next to one of those beasts in a corner placement it sounds like I've entered a sonic black hole!

Congrats on an amazing room. I'm envious!
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You just moved to the top end of the top .1% of HT's on this forum.

Thank you for sharing. We need more pics and more info.

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I want one.

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Wow! Beautiful theater Rob.
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We extensively remodeled our home, gutting half of it & tearing down & rebuilding the other half (the theater section). This allowed us to completely control the space. It was highly important to me that I had enough height to do 4-way masking. I also wanted a fairly wide theater (I don't like shoebox sized commercial theaters).

The largest screen size I could have was 19' - so that's what we ended up with. The exterior box that houses the theater space (as you can see from the pics) became much smaller as we added framing, acoustic treatments, HVAC, etc. These next 5 pictures show the progression of the size of the room from construction to finished product:











One question -- why frame in and install windows then board over them? Did you intend at first to have windows and use a lighting control (curtains)?
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WOW - Super Cooool!

What part of the country are you located in?
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Rob Hahn Theater build

Wow what a room and well laid out. I don't see why this wouldn't be HT of the month or year. Congrats on the room. It's stunning!!! I love the three rows
of seats and the lighting and those equipment racks wow. Well designed room be very proud of it!
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Speechless. The amount of time involved in this room is enormous (and I wasn't part of it, I KNOW it was from experience).

When you are bored, drop a list of equipment used.

Once again, outstanding. Your house must be equally impressive.
freudie1, at the beginning of this thread (1st message) I posted a link to a thread that Art Sonnenborn started, telling his experiences when he visited me last weekend. In post #16 of that thread, I showed an equipment list, but it is more appropriate to repeat it here:

(Here is a more complete list of equipment - much of this I didn't mention before):

Amplifiers:

Mark Levinson 533H (1 of these)
Mark Levinson 531H (3 of these)
KYD (Keith Yates Design) UA-12K (SpeakerPower SP2-12000)
JBL Synthesis SDA-8300 8 channel (3)
JBL Synthesis SDA-4100 4 channel (1)

Processors:

Lake LM-44 (11 of these)
Trinnov Altitude 32

Subwoofers:

Behind the screen - 12 24" UberSubs (custom designed). There are also 2 more 24" UberSubs, one below each center seat in row 2 & 3 (there are 3 rows of 5 seats each).
More subs - 8 JL SHOC-24 subs behind the side & rear walls. (So 22 Subwoofers total...)

Speakers:

JBL Pro M2s (3 of them) behind the screen.
JBL Pro SCS 8 speakers in the ceiling (10 of these)
JBL Pro AC28/26 (4 of these, 2 front left, 2 front right)
JBL Pro 8340A (6 of these, 2 side left, 2 side right, 2 rear)

Total # of speakers: 45

It is an Atmos system.

Video:

Sony VPL-W5000
Lumagen Radiance Pro
Kaleidescape Strato
Kaleidescape DV700 disc vault (9 of these)
Kaleidescape 3U server (2 of these)
Samsung 8500 4K player

Screen:

Stewart SnoMatte 100 LS, Microperf, Director's Choice, 4-way masking

Screen size is 19' wide, 9' high
(The full frame is 22.3' wide and 12.2' high)

Room size:

31' long
28' wide
13' high (but it's really 16' high - see below)

It's a floating room so there's room outside the theater proper. Above the ceiling height there's another 3' (for speakers acoustic treatment). So above the 16' height, there's a full attic above for all the HVAC stuff, sound dampening, duct silencers, etc. We have huge supplies & returns in the theater to move a lot of air slowly.

There's also another 2 1/2' on either side of the theater for speakers, acoustic materials and sound deadening.

We have 2 airlocks in the back of the theater, a little under 4' feet deep. Each airlock has 400lb. 3" doors

Projection Room:

15 1/2' long
9 1/2' wide with an extra 3' for the projection stand & port

There's full rack room in the basement that houses all the Kaleidescape servers and vaults and Crestron control. The wiring alone in the house is insane but we were able to do it cause we gutted the entire place.

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I am looking forward to the fabric and light details. Have been attempting to find something similar to exactly what you did.
Keith had very stringent requirements for the fabric for the walls. It had to be acoustically transparent to allow the acoustic treatment to do its thing, and I wanted it to be the right color and have some texture. There wasn't a lot to choose from frankly. We got tons of samples and Keith had to ok each one. It was vastly important to find what we were going to use because the choice would ultimately drive the color of the carpet, the wood stain color, etc.

I used Lucifer recessed fixtures in the main part of the theater. I had originally spec'd these fixtures to be more recessed because I didn't want the trims to be visible during a film (from the screen reflection). But when we did that, you couldn't see the light from the fixture when you entered the theater. You just saw these black holes in the ceiling fabric - it looked weird. So we had to make custom sleeves to lower the fixtures. We had to do that because the ceiling fabric had already been installed. The ceiling fabric can be removed, but it's a much bigger deal than removing the side panels.

Speaking of which, we came up with a great solution to access all the side & rear speakers and acoustic treatments - the fabric is attached to frames that are held in place by magnets. We sewed in little tabs at the bottom of each panel that you just pull on to remove the panels. Even the large black fabric panels that flank the screen are removable.

For lighting the speakers and treatments behind the fabric, I used these mini-cylinder spotlights - Juno is the company - on tracks.

The lighting behind the screen was much more complicated. I used 6 SORAA Vivid 2 miniature spotlights on tracks shooting straight down on the acoustic treatment between the JBL M2s. To light the M2s and the UberSubs, we came up with a system using the Juno fixtures. We attached the fixtures to a black plate that was attached to the baffle wall. The black plate acts as a shield blocking the fixture from view when sitting in the seats. We mocked this up very carefully before committing because once the screen is attached, it isn't trivial to get back behind there just to do some tweaking.

I also decided to use all LED fixtures behind the screen, because they last much longer than halogens. Generally I don't like the color temperature of LEDs but in this case, it made sense. I used halogens when I lit the sides & rears cause we can easily get to those.

The ceiling was a lot of work to light. We used LED strip lighting along the beams and mocked these up very carefully as well. I had at least 6 separate lighting zones so that I could dim different areas at different levels. I wanted this amount of control because we couldn’t mock up the ceiling lighting beforehand. You could only tell what the lighting effect would look like _after_ the ceiling fabric was installed. Then it would be too late to make adjustments. So I wanted the ability & flexibility to have dimming control in many areas of the ceiling.

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