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So, I happily dwelled at our previous home for 14 years. Then, one day (OK many, many, many days) my wife came in and said... "The kids are coming into their teen years and although our house is great, I want to have a place by the lake, so we know who they are around and what trouble they might get into". She basically wanted us to be the fun house.... - with lots of surveillance cameras. With a daughter it's keep your friends close and your enemies closer + we have surveillance and a big dog!

Shockingly, we found a new 7 home development on a very popular large Lake in our area with it's own dock, 150 foot off the water and a good 12,500 sq ft view lot. We bought in. Unfortunately the Developer proved to lack core ethics and the first contracted builder was a bust. The new contractor is proving to be professional. I was able to source a good LVE guy and we have had a good 6 months to develop a plan, wire, and build. Only now am I willing to share the build as my blood pressure is coming down and we go forward.

The house is good size at about 5400 sq. ft. On three levels. The Media Room is 17'4" Long and 15' 9" Wide. That's a little too square for me but it is what I had to work with. Ceilings are 10' High but I raised the entire floor 5" and created a framed floor to hide power to the seats and speaker wire for transducers for my Crowson Technology Transducers. Also the rear part of the room is raised an additional 7" and there is a counter for bar stool viewing. I have never been a fan of the traditional theater room seating systems but rather want a large U Shaped Sectional for hanging with the Family and a Bar Area for Sports. I figure the room will comfortably hold 9 or 10 people. The room has separate Zoned Heating and A/C so we don't get hot in the room.

I intend to place a 16:9 133 Inch Diagonal Screen in the room and either go with an Epson or JVC E-Shift Projector. The room is wired for 13.2 Sound in a Dolby Atmos configuration. The additional 2 Speakers are for Wide, if we ever have a reasonable priced Pre that can do that. Seriously, I am only configuring for 7.4.2 and given the small size of the room, that's all it will ever have. But when walls are open, wire like the bejeezus. The fronts will be my trusty B&W 803S's as well as the matching center. All other speakers are B&W CI Series CWM 7.4's (Side and Rear Surround) and CI 600 Series CCM 683's for the 4 Atmos Speakers. Subs are 2 SVS Sealed Ultra 13.5s; great Sub and easily can handle this mid size room. I will use a Marantz 8802A for the Pre and need a few more channels of amplification.

In the back of the room, I have my Media Access Room, measuring 9' by 6' by 9' tall. It has the entire home LVE system ending there. The home itself has roughly 40 Cat 6 Network Lines, 16 Cat 5 Lines (For Intercom), 14 Video Locations which comprise 2 Cat 6, 1 Coax, Power), There also is more Cat 6 Wiring for Security and Surveillance as well as the Security and Surveilance gear being housed in this room. This room is also ventilated. We are going kind of cheap material on insulation. The room has 2 by 6 interior as well as exterior walls, we crammed them full of insulation, blown and batted on 3/4s of the room. Also, we are using a good quality sound board material instead of plain old wall board and we have double sealed the soffit's with 2 separate layers of wallboard. In addition the Atmos speakers utilize B&Ws matching wall boxes. B&W is fair in not attempting to say these boxes matter at all for sound but rather they are designed for sound isolation only and they look the part at least. The floor is carpeted and I may use some type of further sound material at finish. (Open to suggestions). The room is in the corner of th house and will be mostly isolated. We are installing a Sound Deadened 8'ft by 30" entry door as well.

There is more to this build than the Media Room but it's my baby! We also will end up with a 12 to 16 Zone Audio System, Full Lutron Homeworks QS Lighting, Wireless Shade Control, Integrated Surveillance and Security, Exterior Landscaping Control, Intercom, automated locks, and eventually some voice control stuff if it proves reliable? I will post some pictures next and am happy to take advice.

I am pretty good at following technology and can design fairly well. What I lack is the skill and patience to trim out and simply am not particularly handy so design is on me and my LVE consultant, labor is on the builder. Only now am I ready to go. Floors are in, insulation is in, sound board and wall board starts on Monday.

Finally, two of my friends are building at the same time. It is my job to have the house to watch the Seahawks. They are to supply the toys. One of them bought a new Mastercraft X10 last year and the other just took delivery of a 2016 Mastercraft X30 with all but the GoPro mount as an option. I do the games, they handle the ski boats. Not a bad deal for us! I will probably get a Party Pontoon Boat to latch up to in the Lake with the neighbors. It's a fantastic ski Lake and my son loves the sport.

So here it goes!!!!!!! Media Room budget is $20K, Media Access Room Budget is $50K (Includes distributed Video and Home Control), Smart Lighting $40K. BTW, Wife thinks I am overkilling it on lighting control. I agree but it's a bucket list thing for me to have a functioning high quality smart home. I'll forego what we call out here, "The Seattle Camry -aka Tesla S". I choose a wired home.

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Here is the Garage Shot of the House
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OK, This is a front view of the New Media Room. The Window is where a drop down screen will go. It has to be there per code. We will use a Lutron RadioRa 2 capable powered darkening shade for the front Window. Also, it is a covered window overlooking our under deck area so light will not be particularly bright (Hey it's Seattle) and we can get the window blackened out well.

The Front Screen area has Power under the internal Front Soffit as well as 2 triggers. 1 to the projector and 1 to the Media Access Room. Man, it's great to be able to build from scratch and build in wiring flexibility. There is Smurf Tube as well in the ceiling from the Projector to the Media Access Room. Also, the sub lines are dedicated 20 Amp (Combined). A neat little feature is that all the lines run to the Media Access Room so we can add surge suppressors to protect all the gear. Not sure I will protect the subs but nice to know I can.

As mentioned, you can see the extra "Wide Speaker" speaker wire runs. They are snaked into the walls. The idea is if at any time they make a 9.2.4 affordable pre-amplifier, the room can take it. Total overkill for a smaller room though but do it why the walls are open. The other speakers have trim out kits and the ceiling speakers have back boxes already installed.

I did not wire the room for anything other than Dolby Atmos and DTS:X configuration. No Center Height speaker or anything like that. There are just too many options and I will stick with the market leaders.

For lighting, it's not complex. 6 Directional 5 inch Cans, 3 on each Right/Left Soffit. 4 Wall Sconces 2 on each wall R/L and 6 Step Lights 2 on each wall R/L/B. All controlled by the Lutron Homeworks HQ System and dimmable in multiple configurations with a single Keypad.

The floor is raised as I discussed. It serves multiple purposes. First, the floor will be a bit warmer as we are off concrete now. Then I was able to power the floor for powered recliners and also run 4 speaker wires for Transducers. We loved the Crowson Tech Transducers at our last home and they are a huge + to the experience. Finally, we wanted the height a touch higher relative to the screen for couch viewing. I know you can adjust a screen but with a 10' ceiling, losing 6" was no big deal....
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Here you see the 4 Atmos Speakers. These B&W's fit snug between the beams but they fit. You can see the Cans in the Soffits as well. The Pendant connections are for drop down targeted pendant lights for the Bar Counter. The B&W Back Boxes are pretty impressive and B&W claims they are designed for sound isolation only, High WAF!

We intend to use Wallboard on both the top (Kind of Just Nailed lightly in) as well as complete Sound Board on the rest of the Sofitt. We also are fully insulating the ceiling and have designed the top ceiling to have no cut outs other than the 4 Atmos Speakers. This is pretty cheap sound deadening but with a sound felt barrier under the Hardwood Next Level, it should work well. Sound board installed for the whole room was only $1,500 and the rest of the Media Room build cost I negotiated with our first offer. They threw in the raised floors and soffit for free.... Hah!!! Nothing is truly free on this build! Three of the walls are tight packed blown in insulation. All walls are 2 by 6; OK some of the front and side is 2 by 10 with Concrete.

I expect the room to be sound absorbent enough but I will need to treat it as well. Taking suggestions on that....
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Best of luck to you! I hope all goes well with construction. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread for sure.
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So, here is the Media Access Room before anything but wires. There is a whole lot of stuff going on here but basically the White Wires on the ground represent the Cat 6 Home Network. The Blue Stuff is for Cat 5e for Surveillance, and Intercom. The stuff in the Amp On-Q Panel is for Security, Coax and Distributed Video. I am starting off with Tivo's and Tivo Mini's but have designed the house eventually for Matrix Capable Distributed Video. Kind of waiting for Hardware to allow for UHD 4K Distribution. This migration is already underway.

The House also has 3 WAP's and I am installing Ubiquiti models that are capable of port aggregation, so each WAP is fed by 2 Cat 6s. This house is as future proof as I can get it to be..... or I completely screwed up..... which is always very possible with me.

I really tried to create a large enough room 9 by 6 by 9 ft tall to accommodate a lot of gear. My logic is that as long as I get the house wired, or over wired, I am good to go. Heck, I even put Cat 6 wires in place for an emergency master water shut off valve as well as to places like Garage Door Openers (3), Exterior Lighting Control (3), Exterior Network Lines for future use (3 and lockable), HVAC, and more.

Some of my friends think it's crazy to wire for so much but I have been a wireless tech user for years with things like Wemo and other gear. Wireless is notoriously finicky and it never, ever, ever passes the wife test of reliability. The TV commercials make it seem so simple to turn on a blender via voice command but it's not that easy to do wirelessly. But..... with dual line Cat 6 redundancy to three WAP's, I will try my best. Given the choice though, hard wires win every time. Next Pictures will be wall board, sound board and insulation.
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Oops, Sorry, Distributed Video is on the bottom, not in the panel.... My bad!!!! Lots of wires. Finally, the house is still getting 8 POTS. I think it's stupid but the builder had it in the package.... So, if you want some good old 50's tech, the house still can take an analogue phone..... Also the media room has 4 light zones, Pendants, Sconces, Step, and Cans; not 3.
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Oops, Sorry, Distributed Video is on the bottom, not in the panel.... My bad!!!! Lots of wires. Finally, the house is still getting 8 POTS. I think it's stupid but the builder had it in the package.... So, if you want some good old 50's tech, the house still can take an analogue phone..... Also the media room has 4 light zones, Pendants, Sconces, Step, and Cans; not 3.
Thanks, I appreciate feedback as I am rusty and not up on everything. Life gets in the way of hobbies sometimes.... This is not my first home and frankly, I think my sixth, so although I get to buy and integrate some nice equipment, I need advice and fully appreciate I am no longer longing for Cerwin Vega's in my Dorm! If it's old it's got to be good right? Officially old but still having fun!!!
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Power in the Garage!

OK, To me this is Wiring Porn. There is no way I could do this good of work. The Electrician on our job is pretty fantastic. The Left Panel is a 32 Line Lutron Smart Light Control Panel. The Other picture are the 2 power panels. The Right one is set up to be run on a generator so in the rare situation we lose power, we have the option to use a 6000 Watt Generator to power basic home functions.

This doesn't have much to do with the Media Build but it's fun. Behind the wall board stack there also are 2 20 Amp Landscape control boxes tied to the Smart Lighting.
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Insulated

The first pic covers the Batted and Blown Insulation we are using for all external walls. The RF isn't all that much better than standard at R 24 vs 22 but in our neck of the woods it really doesn't get that cold with only about 20 days a year below freezing - max. We used this insulation primarily because it's pretty good for noise abatement. The home is about 200 ft. from a busy road and quieter is better. We are down a hill 25 ft. from the road and another home blocks the road as well. You can see they pretty much buried the CWM 7.4 Speaker Trim Kit but we will just cut around it and press the batting down to insert the speakers and Bass Box Attachments.

The Second Pic Shows the Back wall that is half insulated with internal roll in insulation and the Batted and Blown Stuff. Frankly, the insulation will only improve sound insulation slightly on the back wall but it's better than nothing. This picture also shows the Riser for the counter. There is enough room for 4 good size Bar Stools and a Counter. The U Shape Couch will be up against the Riser. You can see a Small Cut out for the door that will open in. Finally the back of the Amp On-Q Panel is up against that back wall.

The big internal wall is behind the Soundboard. That wall will be Soundboard, Insulation with 2 by 6 Boards, then a solid fiberboard backing then wall board. It is a load bearing wall. I tried to get the contractor to stagger the boards as 2 by 4's but this would have demanded re-engineering. So, with multiple coats of paint, fiberboard, insulation, tile backsplash and cabinets (On the other side of the wall), I think there should be somewhere between a Sound Transmission Class of 39 and 45. I could have done better if I the builder would have staggered 2 by 4's. It's going to have to be enough. The other walls aren't up against living spaces.

The 5 pic shows the ceiling. These are 8 inch deep manufactured beams and we loosely placed a lot of insulation on them. You can easily see the Back Boxes and they are beefy. You can also see the fire suppression system that is required in our area for all structures with more than 4000 sq. ft. of interior space. The floor above will be manufactured hardwood 5/8" Thick with 3 layers of wood material. I am trying to get a thin sound proof membrane as well under the wood but me and the builder are debating that. If you look at the soffits with the vents in them, there is an opportunity to add wall board in the space above the vents and then use Sound Board for the rest of the Soffit. I truly believe the STC should be pretty good. My Den is above the Media Room but so is my wife's Working Pantry/Office. I am nervous it won't be quiet enough. Oh, well, buy her Noise Cancelling Headphones I guess!!!

I am not a Sound Engineer and because this is not a true Custom Build, more like a very customized Pre-Sale, I can't really get all I want in sound insulation. I would have rather put in air channels, staggered studs, the works but simply could not due to build and engineering constraints. So....... if anyone has some clever ideas to deaden the room more, I am open to any idea but walls get boarded up next week. I will be putting in a Sound Deadened Door from Masonite.
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Media Access Room Wiring

The First Pic is just the Media Access Wiring now surrounded by insulation. You can kind of visualize how all the home wiring drops down to one point in the room. Our plan is to have a movable very tall rack to house Video Distribution, Audio Zones, with Security and the Intercom going into the Amp On-Q panel. The Access Room will also house the home server(s) and Network Switch, Router, and Whatever future thing comes next.

The last picture is the view into the Media Room from the Rec Room. The Rec Room is pretty large and is roughly 22 ft long and 18 ft wide with an attached smaller exercise area. It will have a full bar and a good 14 feet of cabinets against the Media Room wall. You can also see that this wall has the Fiberboard. With regular wallboard, I am hopeful that most sound will be deadened enough. I know that not having an air space will make it so some frequencies will just go straight through the board but it is what it is.

This is pretty much my dream room area and our last home had a great Media room but there was no Rec Room or Exercise Area. Our last home had an 800 sq ft basement. This bad boy is 1800 sq ft. And yep, another wine cellar as well.

So next step walls get finished with Soundboard and Wallboard... Only took us a year to get this far!!!!!
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It's Not All About The Media Room!!!

So, here is the view off the front deck! The dock goes in on the right of the big tree. The neighbors house is up now and has a roofline that does not block the view. There is a bike trail that goes right by the house as well, so theoretically, I could easily bike to work with only 2 lights. It has been hell getting this far but we think we are 3 months from completion!!!!!

Also, if you look at the picture of the Neigbors dig, you can see the whole thing is flooded out. When you build in the NW, expect water. There are no less than 6 natural springs on the less than 3 acre build area. Our basement is poured with 9 to 15 inches of concrete, then 3 distinct gravel layers and a drainage field. The water drains into the lake. The permitting process took a year and a half for the developer. Everything from Army Corps of Engineers, State Wildlife (I think), County and City.... Jeeeesh!!!
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The Probable Gear!

OK,

So hear is my tentative Gear for the Media Room Only. If it's got an asterisk, I already own it. Other items, I am open to advice and substitution:

1) PreAmp/Control: Marantz AV8802A *
2). Power: Onkyo 9 Channel PA-MC5501 *
3). Power: TBD - 2 or 3 Channel Amplifier for Front L/C/R. Possible Bel Canto 500S + TBD. My fronts require some power that I don't believe the 9 Channel Onkyo can handle. I sold my previous front power when we moved.
4). Blu Ray Player: Oppo New 4K Blu Ray Player. Not out yet.
5). Control: Tivo Bolt 4K - 4 TB from Weaknees *
6). HomeMade Server: I call it Frankenserver for Movies and Backup/Home Storage * About 80 TB. Still room for expansion. Windows 10 base.
7). Screen: Da-Lite 24740LS Tensioned Contour Electrol 65 x 116" Motorized Screen (120V) HD Progressive 1.3 Screen Material. Don't own this yet but this looks to work well in the room and is reasonably priced. I am open to suggestions here.
8). Projector: Epson 5040 or 6040. Again, haven't purchased yet.
9). Front L/R Bowers and Wilkens 803S - Cherry *
10). Center Bowers and Wilkins HTM3S - Cherry *
11). Surround and Rear Surrounds: 4 Bowers and Wilkins CI 700 Series CWM 7.4 *
12). Atmos Speakers: 4 Bowers and Wilkins CI 600 Series CWM 683's with Back Box *
13). Subwoofers: 2 SVS SB Ultra 13's *
14). Cables - Not Exotic. 14 Gauge Speaker wire, in wall. Basically, I am deep in the camp that a well designed and well connected cable is all I need. I have really nice kit made stuff as well as other misc. wires. I am not an exotic wire guy...
15). Light Control - Lutron Homeworks QS *
16). System Control. Most Likely Elan G! for whole home integration. Contractor is pushing Elan G! Not yet decided.
17). Transducers: 4 Crowson Tech Shadow - 8 Transducers with 1 D-500 Amplifier *

This is my expected starting gear. As noted, I might add video matrix switching so the Projector can throw 4 signals onto the screen. We are big football fans and as noted earlier in this thread, I am on neighborhood media room. Eventually I want to matrix the whole home for video but we all have budgets and that is presently beyond mine. I have Tivo's and Mini's that work fine for now.

So, I have some real gear gaps or purchases to make. In addition, the LVE guy will want me to source some gear from him, such as cabinets and I am sure some interconnects but I will not pay much for anything cable wise, just not my thing...
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Speaker Rings

Today, the builder had to take out the Speaker Trim Kits because of the Soundboard. Kind of had an Aha! Moment last night as the trim kits won't work with dual layers. So, I believe for the walls, they will cut out just enough to get the Soundboard around the speaker locations and then place the Speaker Trim Kits in, then lay Gypsum. The build failed its first insulation inspection but cleared today, so tomorrow the Wallboard crews begin. We believe it will be 7 to 10 days to Wallboard and then another 5 to 7 days to Mud and get ready for paint. The builder has crews working weekends and through the Holiday Season.

Also, the last Window Pane went in today. They had to Glaze our 14 ft Quad Slider on site. So, Electrical Inspection was a go, plumbing a yes, Fire suppression - check, Framing (After 5 inspections - a Yes). All major systems are passed!. Only took 15 months to get here.....
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Do you know what you know and why you know it!!!

So, This is not my first Home Theater Rodeo. Frankly, my 5th attempt. As Soundboard is cut, Gypsum is slapped on and holes are cut in the room, I pontificate!!!

I am not handy.... I hire help for detail and dress and in the case of this build I do not fully have control of the build schedule. It kind of ticks me off as I would have done the walls differently and designed for better sound deadening. But I did design the room based on my experience, wants, and family........

I do have advice: Here it comes.....

1). Do not build a Media Room or Theater based on photos, experts, gear, or some uber theme you can conceive. Themes fade away, dream theaters do not fit a dream lifestyle, what looks great on a website or a Home Theater ad have little todo with how a family lives. I suggest you know thyself: First, Last, and everything in between.

2). This means, if you have a couple little rug rats and a spouse, why the hell would you want 6 chairs between two levels with a riser. Do you just strap in the loser kid in the back row and forget about them? If you have a spouse who you actually like, why on earth would you put a 128 Oz cup holder between you and her? If you frankly don't like people, why design a theater for 16?

3). So, I spent years figuring out the ideal room for me, myself, and I..... Oh, the family as well. My room is designed for me... Start there and end there for you and your family. This really means that a good Family Media Room does not begin with sound abatement, gear, lighting, even dimensions..... It begins with you....

For me. That means seating in a very casual environment for a family of 4 to 6. That means a comfy U Shape or L Shape Couch. Room for an ottoman and space for our 85 lb idiot Monster mutt. It also means extra bar seating in the back for Sporting Games....

I see all these people build purpose designed theaters when in fact, a more casual TV watching environment is more conducive to the family experience...

I rant.... But my recommendation, as a 50 year old + media room user and enthusiast is please, please, please throw away all your theater expectations and begin your design with use of space, not theoretical optimal theater design..... I hate theaters after living in a comfortable movie viewing space in which I can control everything a pause to pee and re-Bev...

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Frustrated with a "Pre-Sale" build schedule..

Our new home is kind of a hybrid crazy &%? Morph-o-thon of a build. Lot's of time to design, lot's of bad build stuff, then hurry up and wait, and finally....You have one day to figure something out!!!!

Oh, and along the way, the first builder forgot to run a main water line in (Seriously), 4 support columns, correct windows, Power, and of course, my favorite.... the wrong roof line for my neighbors contracted view.

Now, as the Soundboard goes up and I fight to make sure they don't wallboard bury $18K in Low Voltage wiring, I have a minute to reflect on what we did right in the Media Room.

1). The room is purpose built: What does that mean? Well, my room is designed for two distinct but not opposing uses. a). Family Movie Night. My daughter is 14 and totally into the teen years and my son is 11. They grew up in our previous media room, a 16' by 17' box of a beautiful room with a 98" diagonal screen and pretty state of the art (at the time 1080p). We love Family movie night and the new room is designed for that. We will have a U shaped couch a good 11 foot wide. It will sit 7. It might also have heat seeking missiles targeting 17 year old snot nose boys but hey, that's for another day. In the mean time, the popcorn maker is not in this room, nor is the teen locked and sealed keg-o-rater and oh the "Oh Hell No!!!" Locked liquor cabinet. B). Seahawk Games, Well maybe Sounders too and some day, Mariners!. That is why I am adding a back counter bar seating area with focused light. As I said earlier, design for your needs, not a magazine or websites.
2). I was able to eliminate all the ceiling - well - anything!!! I am not at all happy about really not going all out sound control on the space but I am dealing with builders who don't give a crap about sound deadening if it delays the build. True, the developer is eating $7K a month in bank costs on his loan but ---- so sad --- his problem. Unfortunately, time is his money so I have to be ready for decisions in a heartbeat. One of my good decisions was to forego lighting in the soffitted ceiling. I also only have one power plug in the ceiling for the projector. This is crazy cheap sound deadening. Every time you cut the ceiling you add sound leakage. I can stuff the crap out of that lone plug and call it good after taking delivery of the house. Not so easy with 9 ceiling Cans leaking sound in a ceiling. The same goes for complex power needs for ceiling lighting. That doesn't even begin to address light issues. I have seen on this site builds with 9 stark white porcelain light fixtures and bulbs. So..... don't get fancy with lighting or power if you want cheap insulation. Also, if I have to go back in and redo the ceiling, post purchase, I can..... Not much up there except Atmos speakers and Fire Suppression.
3). The room itself was designed in a corner of the house.... If I am watching a movie, I am not in my Den. Cheapest "Don't Care Sound deadening I can do.
4). Separate Heat and A/C Control for the room. My last room was insanely hard to control the temp in. All my amplifiers, gear, projector... hell everything vented into the room. In summer, I was wearing shorts and sweating.... In Seattle!!! I had to install separate Zone control to fix the problem.... For all you DIY'ers. Note to self..... No circulation and thermostat control..... no fun.... no friends..... no odor free zone... You need to deal with ventilation in the design stage, especially for tight sound sealed rooms.
5). Hidden Everything... Some people like the light show of electronics. OK, I may be one of those people... but most people just want to watch the game... This room, all the gear is in another room, also somewhat sound controlled with it's own separate exhaust for heat. Not too worried about maintaining a warm room, just don't want to fry gear.
6). I got to build for transducers!!!! Even the misses loves these things... Nuff said....
7). My Door is where it should be... And there is a door and it's somewhat sound proof!!!! I see rooms here that are open to other rooms, stairwells and Canned Food Storage!!! Build a Door if you can. If I want to watch every last second of the Seahawks obliterating the LA Rams (Gunna happen), but maybe your guests want to go grab a beer and talk.... Kids and wives..... I dunno....
8). There is enough height in my room! Some theaters here have really, really low ceilings. Not a fan but others may be.....

OK, things I know are not quite right.

1). The room is too square... Very challenging for subwoofers.
2). The room is not as quiet as I know I want it to be.
3). My projector placement is probably going to be less than ideal and I will have issues with the Bar Pendant Lights. I will solve..
4). I wish the room was longer by 5 feet.
5). I wish I had a budget of another $20K so I could go silly stupid with special lighting effects.

Will hop by the site tomorrow for updated picks...Actually had to work today... Go Dow - Go!!!
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Wall Board Began Today!!

Nothing to show today but........ They did start with Wall Board on the top floor. The crew is going from Top to Bottom so I gather Media Room probably begins next week. The builder had 4 failed insulation inspections! Supposedly crazy picky inspector....

I didn't go by today but the misses did. She said it felt weird as the Top Floor ceiling are "only" 8' Height. The other 2 floors have 10 ' height. Our last home had 8' Sleeping Level and 7'10" Basment / Media Level floors. The main level was 9', 10' and the formal living room was 18' high. Our new places top floor can't block the view of our neighbors any more than it does. It really sort of does block it pretty badly and there may be a lawsuit from our neighbor on the developer. Luckily, not my issue.

My wife will live with 8' ceilings. , Kind of goes with her theory that "Once you go Silk, there is no going back to Polyester. This is an important consideration in building a Movie/Theater area. If you can't stretch purchasing a Sony 4K projector, don't spend time with one until you can. People on budgets can do amazing things without blowing the bank. Also, you can repurpose some pretty nice stuff and even buy used. As an example, I am buying used Elan Distribution Amps for the Sonos Gear. So much cheaper than new and if a channel blows, who cares since I paid 1/8th of origina retail.
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I have Home Cost Envy!!!

Ok, Off topic, but not really as it pertains to my build......

I get jealous looking at some of the homes on this Threads list of homes. Just as Joe Walsh said, 'Life's been good to me so far", that is true but man can you get a whole ton of luxury home for a lot less elsewhere. In my suburban area, the average resale home is about 2400 sq. Ft. And comes in now at around $775,000 For this you get a small lot, no view, suburban traffic, and just a ridiculous amount of annual rain. You also get extremely good public education, a pro-business climate (Relative to the People's Republic of Seattle, anyway) and access to some of the most beautiful area in the world.

That means a home that comes in at $322 per sq. Ft. Land included. That's for probably a 20 year old house too! Our new build does have a great view, lake access, and is in a super desirable place but that didn't come cheap. The lot adds a gob load of cost to the build. So, I look at this thread and go "holy crap" an over the top, gorgeous home on 2 acres and it's like 7,000 sq ft and probably costs soup to nuts $200 per sq ft. No wonder the media room is ridiculous!!! A standard grade home out here costs 225 per sq. Ft. to build right now without land. My place is coming in at about $300 per sq. ft. Also, the sewage hookup fee alone was $18,000 and total permits including sewage are over $28,000.

My point, It's flipping expensive to build out here in Blue State - tax us until we scream land. When I get to pick gear and treatments, it gets cost painful and the cost of the total build restricts the budget. OTH, we don't have an income tax here and property taxes are not too bad. Also, I do get to build on the lake and I have a career here and our economy is in high gear right now.... Really, the economy is strong so I guess I should stop wining.... Going to the lot soon to check out the progress.
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So, here is the picture of the SoundBoard going up and their solution to the pre-Install Kits. Sucks I actually have to work because I am challenged by the belief they will do good work here. Worst case scenario is I have to redo the work and or demand they re-work upon walk through if the work is shoddy.




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Not much going on with the Media Room but had a few minutes to share. The first is a pic of about 1/3rd of our Master Closet. I have to share this time with the misses, bigger closet - for sure but I had my own space in the last house. The others are views out the Lake Side; facing West. One from my daughters upstairs bedroom (It is higher up with the front house lower - pretty much Full Lake View, a couple from the main deck level and one showing a basement corner view where the outdoor Fireplace and Hot Tub will be placed...

The site is a total mess right now as they have to re-do the deck and are deep into Wallboard cutting. Slobs at work is best I can say...

The last one is the Hot Tub shot. Other than that, kind of a sucky day here.


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Nothing new on the media room. Today I had to go around and look for electrical the Wall Board guys buried. Only found one Bathroom Wall-mount Sconce connection and the I-Pad Dock network cable on the top floor.

Was a great looking evening and a break in the rain. The front doors are in. We are going with the same glass pane look in a few rooms internally as well. The massive plastic crap come off the house tomorrow as they finished siding today.

I don't think they will get to the Media room until Friday and probably all Wall board won't be done until around Jan 5th or so? A guess. The view and house looked awesome and I can see the end is in sight. The house will have about 8 sets of ceiling speakers for the Sonos system and another 4 5.1 Sonos sets for speakers for the TV in the Kitchen, Great Room, Rec Room and our Bedroom. I also have another 8 sets of inexpensive speakers going into the exterior, garage, shed, and upper decksNeed to make sure the Wallboard guys don't muck that up. Sounding negative but you'd be surprised....

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Ok, Back from a few days off and the Wallboard guys are nearing completion. Here are the latest pics. The first couple are of the Media Room. They include the room in general + a Pic of the 5" Cans. There are 3 Cans per side and each is in a separate Soffit, not attached to the Ceiling. There is insulation and wall board in between. For the one internal wall that goes to a living space (The Door Wall), we ended up with a pressboard internal wall, then insulation moderately packed in a 2 by 6 wall, then Soundboard and finally Gypsum Wall Board. There will be 3 layers of paint on each side as well (OK, which won't do anything much for sound insulation). In addition, we did end up with a Masonite Branded "Sound N Sense" Solid Core 8' 2 Panel Door. We don't have anything fancy then for sound insulation but since that wall also has a gob load of Cabinets on it, I am hoping it will do. I will figure a method to seal the bottom of the door after we take possession.

I will probably plug the Window as I don't need it other than egress. If not, (WAF dependent), we will use a Lutron Wireless Drape Solution that can black out most if not all light.

The next pic is of the Upstairs (with the Fireplace). It shows the Dining Room, Great Room and a small part of the Kitchen. It's basically one big room with Soffit dividers. This was my first view of it and frankly, I am pretty damn pleased given my wife and I designed it and we aren't designers.... Big risk!!!! Living in the Puget Sound Area has huge advantages and it is beautiful but....... it is dark, dreary, and wetter than Noah's days on the Ark... Seriously, earth worms cruise the streets, pretty much all winter long.... So, the place is nice and bright..... Wallboard is suppose to be complete mid next week and then paint..... The misses has them painting the place about 8 colors. Lots of spraying soon and the Speaker Covers will get sprayed as well.

This next one is looking at the Media Room from the Rec Room. I expect to place a 65" Screen on the Left Wall for my son's XBox stuff and the Wall you are looking at is the interior Wall i am most concerned about Sound. There will be lower and upper cabinets pretty much the full length of the wall and a Backspash of Tile (Wife dependent) so that might help a bit?????

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Here is the Pic of the Rec Room, Attached to the Media Room. The Left Door is to a 4th Bedroom with its own bath. The doors are 36 inch openings for a wheelchair as my mom may be with us for a bit. On the right is a smaller exercise room about 15 by 11 with 5 Glass Panel French Doors to the Main Rec Room. In the Far Right, the stair well upstairs and a Wine Cellar in the corner. One cool feature is a "Dursley Closet" under the stairs that will have a bed, a single light Can, Reading light and Cat 6 for my daughter. The house has storage elsewhere so we were able to make that space usable as another sleep area. >it's really clever...

The sliding glass door will open to a large 30' by 16' Under Deck finished area with a fireplace and couches.....

Makes the temporary 950 sq ft place feel very small. Also, oh how I miss my BBQ!!!!



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This is what Mrs. SeattleHTGuy picked out for the Media Room. 4 of the Wall Sconces and 3 of the Mini-Pendants for the Counter Viewing area. We will put 2400K Dimmable LED's that look pretty much like you see in the pictures. They will be 40 Watt Equivalents per bulb. I am also putting in 6 5 inch Halo Brand Directional Cans and 6 Dimmable WAC 2.5W Vertical Step Lights.

All of the lights will be on the Homeworks QS System and all dimmable. The Counter lights I might swap out the bulbs with something that only lights up to Counter area but we shall see. Anyway, I like this look although they are not cheap!


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This is what Mrs. SeattleHTGuy picked out for the Media Room. 4 of the Wall Sconces and 3 of the Mini-Pendants for the Counter Viewing area. We will put 2400K Dimmable LED's that look pretty much like you see in the pictures. They will be 40 Watt Equivalents per bulb. I am also putting in 6 5 inch Halo Brand Directional Cans and 6 Dimmable WAC 2.5W Vertical Step Lights.

All of the lights will be on the Homeworks QS System and all dimmable. The Counter lights I might swap out the bulbs with something that only lights up to Unger area but we shall see. Anyway, I like this look although they are not cheap!


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Sonneman Gotham Series. There are a lot of different lights in this collection. The big 2 Lamp Sconce is $230 retail but online you can find them for $150ish. Kind of expensive but much nicer than a lot of the classic Theater Room Sconces we looked at. In our previous build, we really discovered that good looking lighting was important.


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Here are the step lights and 5 inch Cans. So, the pendants and Sconces are black but the Cans and Step Lights are only available in Bronze, Satin Nickel and White.

The build (our home) is a Pre-Sale and is way behind schedule and over budget to the developer. One of the challenges has been big delays and then really quick decisions for certain items. We upgraded the entire home to 5 inch cans from 6 inch cheap-os. Unfortunately we were given only one brand choice and Halo, although a decent provider has limited trim kits in 5 inch form. So..... sometimes you just work with what you got. Fortunately, the wall and ceiling paint is a dark gray; the Satin Chrome and black should work together.

We are also using a deep black counter so reflections will be at a minimum...

This means we have 4 Banks of light all on separate runs so the lighting settings will be highly customizable. Lighting is important!!!


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I took a picture of the wall between the Theater/Movie Room and the Rec Room. It shows the Gypsum WallBoard, Then Sound Board, 2 by 6, FiberBoard, Gypsum. The Mrs. did settle on a full tile backsplash on that wall and there also will be cabinets on most the wall. That will add some more sound deadening. I do expect some problems as sound may travel right through because there is no isolated air space.

No, I didn't get to use GG and I would have preferred staggered 2 by 4's and clips to better isolate but it is what I got. I think the wall should do a pretty good job of isolating the sound but this wall all accomplished with just one small Change Order of about $1,500 for all the rooms Sound Board.




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Hear are a few more pics of the room. Texture (Very Light) goes Monday and Paint starts Tuesday. I am going to use a ceiling mounted drop down screen and will have to do something with the Soffit after we close on the home, I am up for ideas?




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