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I spy with my little eye........a JACCUZI tub.............that needs to be in the theater !.........


....or a mini PJ in the bathroom.....

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Came home to the theater double doors installed - the gap on the perimeter of the doors really bothers me. Contractor says he doesn't want me to fill it with anything and the trim will block the sound, but that seems like a major weak point for sound escaping theater.

Any reason why I can't fill this with fiberglass?
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Came home to the theater double doors installed - the gap on the perimeter of the doors really bothers me. Contractor says he doesn't want me to fill it with anything and the trim will block the sound, but that seems like a major weak point for sound escaping theater.

Any reason why I can't fill this with fiberglass?
Just some observations as a 20 year plus carpenter.

At first glace for a sound controlled room, those gaps would cause me concern.


There is no reason you can not stuff some fiberglass insulation in there, I am sure his concern is over stuffing and bowing out the jamb.

The insulation will do a little to help, but not a lot.

That gap looks pretty big and has a good to and from from top to bottom, indicating something is out of level...fairly common situation.

While it is fine as is, it looks like that gap is large enough to put some full length wood in there to fill in.

That gap looks like it is pushing max size before full size/length wood is called for, rather than a stack of shims.


How much any of this will effect soundproofing, I do not know..........but it is common to see this on some doors and it definatly pushing max gap you would use shims in.


Perhaps lightly pack some fiberglass in there under installer supervision or have him do it and then apply some acoustical sealant. If you go against his suggestion it is possible he will in the future blame any problems with that door on you. He might not, but it would be best to get him to do it if possible.

At the end of the day, will it even matter in sound levels outside the room.......but the possibility it could would cause me to take action.

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Good point, he should be able to fit a 1x4 in there easily. I'll insist tomorrow.
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Came home to the theater double doors installed - the gap on the perimeter of the doors really bothers me. Contractor says he doesn't want me to fill it with anything and the trim will block the sound, but that seems like a major weak point for sound escaping theater.

Any reason why I can't fill this with fiberglass?
While it may be a bit too much of a gap, DAP make a window and door expanding foam. This isn't the usual polyurethane expanding foam as it stays soft and will not bow anything. I think it's an acrylic base. I have used it before to fill gaps around window frames and it works well.
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They are filling it with plywood.

If I'm lucky, it should be painted this week.
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Nice progress so far! I look forward to further updates.

I feel the same way about feedback on my build. It seems to me, that this forum really only cares about full soundproofed builds, or we just missed the boat on when to start our theaters. At any rate, hopefully there will be more engagement in our builds as we progress.

Keep up the good work!

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It seems like taboo to post in a build thread as people feel like it will clutter up the build thread.........I figure if someone does not want a bunch of posts in their build thread, they will say so.



I still vote for the jacuzzi in the HT, with some tactile transducers hooked to it.....


I get the same lack of posts in mine, but plenty of views.......so people are interested, but do not post for some reason.....


EDIT: Due to Steve`s oustanding contributions to this forum and other forums, I will be building/installing 4, 20 cubic foot LLT`s in mine ....

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Post anything reasonable you guys want, I don't mind. The bathroom is nearly done and looks amazing. I'm away on business and i only have an older pic of it on my phone, but it gives you an idea. The front of the tub box is dark grey slate and the walls are medium grey. 60" electric fireplace on back wall.

The theater just got the first coat of paint and from the pics my gf sent me, i think it looks pretty good. Black Fox (a really dark grey/brown) on walls, Tricorn black on ceiling. There will be a fiber optic star ceiling with black velvet and a front velvet false wall.

So close and yet still so far away.
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Not sure why these pics wont load - maybe they cant be landscape
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Got everything but the LCR and heights wired through the soffits - the rest will stay behind the screen wall, so no need to hide them. I decided last minute to buy 4 Boston Acoustic ceiling speakers with tiltable tweeters for future Atmos use. If i can manipulate the receiver situation right, i think i can have 11.2.4 surround sound.

All these cables will run through a 3" pipe and then through this chute in the drywall into the room.
you probably have it cased on your own. But I ran 3" pvc through the floor to the TV set up in the living room for all the lines to run. I very quickly ran short of space. I made it work for what I have .But certainly cant add anything more now. And I have And HDMI that is floating in my floor joists. I drilled 3" through for the run. Filled them all, then needed a different HDMI. Got it run and working then went ot pull out the old one, Buuutt.. now I cant cause the head on the cable it to big for the remaining space in the hole to pull it back through HAha.. so I have a spare.. But no one can get it.

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I actually was really stupid and never did test the hdmi - it's a 45' monoprice cabernet. I hope it works or life will suck. I wont be sending any 4k with hdr data, maybe just artificially upscaled 4k movies, or everything 1080p and let the JVC upscale to 4k, so in theory i should be plenty safe.
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no lights yet? How is working in the dark? When we did our basement it was hard to work, we had a dozen work lights brought to make up for the new darkness of enclosed spaces. and we had White walls!

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I actually was really stupid and never did test the hdmi - it's a 45' monoprice cabernet. I hope it works or life will suck. I wont be sending any 4k with hdr data, maybe just artificially upscaled 4k movies, or everything 1080p and let the JVC upscale to 4k, so in theory i should be plenty safe.


I am having the exact same issues now too. I havent been running any 4k .Just 1080P, But the HDMI run is now about 45 feet. From an Onkyo 875 to a splitter through the run and to the year old Samy TV. TV can do 3D on its own So I never ran for #d , But on the next build I'll be doubling up on everything. But I am gettting signal loss at 1080P by the time it hits the screen. I havent begun trouble shooting alot yet. But Im thinking an inline booster may help, Ill be spending days on here in other threads to sort those details out. So I have a $4000 tv sitting there that can only play 1080i Haha, go me!

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What cable are you using? Did you get one with the active repeater chip built in? The cabernet claims to be 18 gig capable.

The crew works during the day, so the 6 windows provide plenty of light, plus we have portable led floodlights.
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No matter what screen you use, ur gonna love that RS400, mine shines on a wht over blk spandex and the pic is to die for, and thats right out of the box !!!

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I hope so! I'm going 16x9, so i intend to build a magnetic mask on the bottom and a drop down flap mask on the top for 2.35x1 content.

Stretch velvet over wire pulled tight between two wooden ends for the bottom mask so it stays acoustically transparent.
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Glad I am following along here.....never thought about my lower masking needing to be AT.

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I actually was really stupid and never did test the hdmi - it's a 45' monoprice cabernet. I hope it works or life will suck. I wont be sending any 4k with hdr data, maybe just artificially upscaled 4k movies, or everything 1080p and let the JVC upscale to 4k, so in theory i should be plenty safe.
Is the HDMI cable a done deal or can you replace it with another one?
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I could potentially replace it if i tie a sting from the start of a new one to the end of the existing one and pull it through, but it wouldn't be a super smooth pull and i might damage it.

The fiber optic hdmi cables are so thin that im sure i could run it up and over the top of the fiber optic star ceiling and nobody would see it. Thats if i decide to go true 4k hdr i guess.
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I could potentially replace it if i tie a sting from the start of a new one to the end of the existing one and pull it through, but it wouldn't be a super smooth pull and i might damage it.

The fiber optic hdmi cables are so thin that im sure i could run it up and over the top of the fiber optic star ceiling and nobody would see it. Thats if i decide to go true 4k hdr i guess.
Celerity makes a nice DFO cable, powered also, its like buying a component though, pricey stuff.......

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Steve, great to see you finally getting your own dedicated space!! I just saw this thread, but please do keep updating. Sometimes it's even better to come along and read a thread that's half/almost done... at least it can be more satisfying for the reader.

Looking great so far, I really like the floor in the bathroom, and the hallway too. Is that vinyl plank? Going down directly on the concrete, or do you have something as a cushion?
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Textured, snap together vinyl plank, 6mm thick. Directly on the concrete - part of the thickness is a dense, fiberglass filled foam, and my concrete was already very flat, so i opted for no underlayment. I should have posted a pic when it was all done in the bedroom, hallway, and bonus room before they taped it off for painting, it looks terriffic.

$1.77/sq ft, i installed it myself in a couple days, it's waterproof, and you'd have a hell of a time telling it from hardwood unless you are barefoot. Probably the best value of this whole project.


Regarding the fiber optic cables, yes, very expensive right now, even the monoprice ones. But my library is 600+ of dvd, hd dvd, and bluray, and it seems like hdr isnt completely settled yet, so im in no hurry to abondon 1080p just yet.
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Got home from travel and it looks like they did the second coat in the theater. Once i black out these windows, even before velvet, this room is going to be super dark. The carpet should lighten it up a little, which at this point seems like it might be welcomed lol. Ceiling is definitely black. This is with the 6 windows uncovered.

Listening to music in total blackness should be nice.
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Having second thoughts on the 135" 16:9 screen. A 138" 2.35:1 might make more sense.

Pro with the 16:9 is that when i frame for 2.35:1, i wont lose any screen width, whereas with 2.35:1 framed for 16:9, i do.

Pro with 16:9 is that i dont have worries about drivers not fitting behind the AT screen since it's so tall. All the drivers should be behind the fabric and not the frame.

Pros with 2.35:1 is that i'll have to frame much less, the mains can be out a little wider, and it looks more slick.

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My thoughts - go with the preference for what you want to watch most. If you use your theater for more than 50% for movies, go 2:35:1. More TV and occasional gaming, go 16:9.

I had 16:9 in the last theater. Always hated the grey bars and the smaller image. Went to 2:35:1 for this theater and boy, what a hug difference. Falcon AT screen, 132" diagonal. I don't plan on much TV viewing in there, except for sporting events. I did watch a movie last night that wasn't widescreen and was a little disappointed at first, but forgot about it soon enough.

I'm using the poor man's approach, zooming in on the widescreen movies on my JVC X570R. Love it.

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For me it came down to width.......I am wall to wall, so no reason to not go with a 16:9.........if you are doing the widest possible screen you can already, then you only lose with 2:35.


If you can do 20 or 30 inches wider with a 2:35, then yes.........

When watching different ratio content you end with bars somewhere....unless you have a fancy set up that shoots the same size picture no matter what ratio.....

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I can go wider with 16:9 as well, looks like 150", but thats just too big i think in this size room. I won't have grey bars in either scenario, as i'll have removable felt masking.

Content will be 60% movies, 20% music, 10% gaming, 10% tv shows.

I think it may just come down to how low the screen can be with the 2.35:1, as i dont want to block woofers in my towers.
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I think my fears about the darkness are now unfounded, as 8 recessed 6" led lights is plenty bright at night time. With the sconces and led lighting on the riser, everything will be fine.

Progress remains slow though.
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That's looking good!

You are in the home stretch now, room looks almost done...........you going to have at least one LLT in there.....

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