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Looking for Riser Lights / Step Lights

I need to buy 4 lights that will fit in an ordinary electrical box for my steps. I'd like an LED light preferably with a black bezel so I don't have to paint. Any suggestions? My Amazon searches keep turning up lights that are around $30 each! Seems like there should be a cheaper solution...
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the Royal Pacific indoor step lights come with both a vertical and horizontal face place. They use a c7 holiday light bulb and ships with an incadscent. You could get an LED bulb. I used to buy them from Wayfair for under $10 each, their price has gone up and you should look around. They do need to be painted.
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I think Big is referring to these - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


They have gone up in price by 50% since I bought them a few years ago. They do take paint well.

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Just be careful to not go too bright. On mine, even with the vent facing down, they lit up the bottom half of the screen in an otherwise completely dark room. I had to electric tape the inside over all but one of the vents to block the full force of the light.
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Thank you for the recomendation BIG. Just ordered 4 from Ebay for my theater. I plan on switching the bulbs for dimmables asap

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Why not try an Ebay search, or even a Google Images search?

I've even combined those two, to find lighting I didn't know existed, and then to get a far better price.
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If you want different louver options and different colour options. You can look at these: http://www.dainolite.ca/led-lights/search&category=6898


warning they aren't cheap! Close to $100 each CDN. I bought a rectangular louvered one thinking I would use it over my theatre door but ended using their round one which has its own pot light type fixture: http://www.dainolite.ca/led-lights/s...egory=6898/P12


All of the above have fixed LEDs which are dimmable although the manufacturer recommends very specific dimmers that have controllable low end trim.

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Just be careful to not go too bright. On mine, even with the vent facing down, they lit up the bottom half of the screen in an otherwise completely dark room. I had to electric tape the inside over all but one of the vents to block the full force of the light.

I went with green incandescent lights - they work awesome and are dimmable. Any color is dimmer than clear.


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I went with 4 of THESE in the bronze finish - I'll probably spray the face plates black.



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Are they dimmable?
Nope. Darn. I may need to return them. I really like the bezel though. I also want to go with LED so I don't have to change bulbs or anything. The search continues...
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I found THESE at Home Depot today. They are low voltage though - my boxes are all regular outlet boxes (120V). Can I use these somehow or is it more trouble than it's worth? They come with a little 7W lightbulb that I assume can be dimmed but it didn't say on the box.

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I purchased the lights BIG suggested from eBay for under $12 each. I was planning on changing the bulbs out but the ones included are dimmable

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I purchased the lights BIG suggested from eBay for under $12 each. I was planning on changing the bulbs out but the ones included are dimmable
What bulbs were you going to use? Can I replace them with dimmable LEDs?

I'm not sure I like the face plate on these but the options seem so limited for some reason.
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I believe it is a C7 bulb so these MIGHT work:

https://www.noveltylights.com/dimmab...-dim-c7-led-ww

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I was going buy LED nightlight bulbs from Lowes, but none of them were dimmable

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the incandescent bulbs are 7 watts and they dim perfectly so I'm really NOT hung up on using LED for this application. C7 bulbs come in a variety of colors.
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I went with 4 of THESE in the bronze finish - I'll probably spray the face plates black.

Not dimmable, but they now offer 13 and 14 lumens versions. When I bought mine, I believe the lowest output was 35 or so and I can tell you they are too bright. I'm going to try adding the louver, but suspect they will still be too bright for step lights.

They would, however make great outdoor lights. They come with a thick, clear plastic gasket that is required to meet IP67. They're very nice and good quality. Also, FYI they are 2-wire (no ground).


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Specifications Print Specifications
Beam Angle 120 degree
Connection Type Pigtail
Current Draw 32mA
Dimmable No
Gauge 18
Water Resistance Waterproof IP67
LED Quantity 8 LEDs
LED Type 2835 SMD/Epistar
Material Cast Aluminum
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Total Power Consumption 3.8 Watts
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SLRE-NW2-120V-OWT 3700 K 14 lm 80 $31.90 0.44 lumen/dollar
SLRE-NW2-120V-OCU 3700 K 14 lm 80 $31.90 0.44 lumen/dollar
SLRE-NW2-120V-OOB 3700 K 14 lm 80 $31.90 0.44 lumen/dollar
SLRE-NW2E-120V-OOB 3700 K 35 lm 82 $31.90 1.1 lumen/dollar
SLRE-NW2E-120V-OCU 3700 K 35 lm 82 $31.90 1.1 lumen/dollar
SLRE-NW2E-120V-OWT 3700 K 35 lm 82 $31.90 1.1 lumen/dollar
SLRE-WW2-120V-OWT 2600 K 13 lm 80 $31.90 0.41 lumen/dollar
SLRE-WW2-120V-OCU 2600 K 13 lm 80 $31.90 0.41 lumen/dollar
SLRE-WW2-120V-OOB 2600 K 13 lm 80 $31.90 0.41 lumen/dollar
SLRE-WW2E-120V-OOB 2600 K 35 lm 82 $31.90 1.1 lumen/dollar
SLRE-WW2E-120V-OCU 2600 K 35 lm 82 $31.90 1.1 lumen/dollar
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Not dimmable, but they now offer 13 and 14 lumens versions. When I bought mine, I believe the lowest output was 35 or so and I can tell you they are too bright. I'm going to try adding the louver, but suspect they will still be too bright for step lights.
Yeah - I think I'm going to return them when they get here because they can't be dimmed. I'll probably end up going with the ones BIG listed even though I really don't like the look of the face plate. Obviously I'll hit it with some black spray paint. I'd rather get something nicer but everything is ridiculously overpriced. It's just a light!
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I found THESE at Home Depot today. They are low voltage though - my boxes are all regular outlet boxes (120V). Can I use these somehow or is it more trouble than it's worth?
You would need a step-down transformer (to the bulb's voltage). You'd also need to know if the bulbs were AC or DC.

IMHO, it's not worth the trouble to convert them inside a JB. It's something one needs to decide on during construction and run either LV or 120vac to the boxes.

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This thread worked out for me. I had wired up my riser for step lighting but never added it.

I saw Big's note and found two of the Royal Pacific lights on ebay for $8 shipped new. I need to find a good way to turn on/off now. Right now I am thinking a low tech solution, like a light sensor paired with a timer (maybe for 3 hours)
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I need to find a good way to turn on/off now. Right now I am thinking a low tech solution, like a light sensor paired with a timer (maybe for 3 hours)
Food for thought: If your budget allows, there are Z-Wave relays that work well for retrofitting "normal" wall switches (or circuits with no switch). However, it requires an outlay for both the relay and a Z-Wave Gateway. Figure $200+. For most folks it's not worthwhile unless you are planning to smartify your entire HT and/or other parts of your home.

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Food for thought: If your budget allows, there are Z-Wave relays that work well for retrofitting "normal" wall switches (or circuits with no switch). However, it requires an outlay for both the relay and a Z-Wave Gateway. Figure $200+. For most folks it's not worthwhile unless you are planning to smartify your entire HT and/or other parts of your home.
I already have many Z-wave devices in the house. I use a Vera Lite and have about 50 devices. I currently use Phillips Hue bulbs in the theater (6) primarily controlled by the Logitech Harmony.

I currently do not tie my theater lights into the smart home hub. If there was a switch that the harmony hub could directly talk to it would maybe be worthwhile, but I do not think it is worth the effort of adding the z-wave device and tying it together with both the Vera and Logitech hubs.

Also, LED bulbs are rated at 0.5W with 6+ years of life. I am now thinking of just direct wiring and leaving them on all the time. Even a regular on/off wall switch would take nearly 10 years to pay itself off in energy costs.

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I think you mistaken about the energy costs of "normal" LED lights atm.
The ones I have around the house is normally at 5 watts or MORE. Not 0.5w.
This is when the bulbs are on.

I am going to implement a Z-Wave hub and switches/dimmers in my rebuild.
So very easy to define scenes from either my PC or a smartphone.

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I think you mistaken about the energy costs of "normal" LED lights atm.
The ones I have around the house is normally at 5 watts or MORE. Not 0.5w.
This is when the bulbs are on.

I am going to implement a Z-Wave hub and switches/dimmers in my rebuild.
So very easy to define scenes from either my PC or a smartphone.

I do have Phillips Hue bulbs in my theater sconces for effect lighting. The riser lights however seem frivolous.

Most of my LED lights are around the wattage you mention. I have a spreadsheet for payoff times as I changed over to LED fully ~5 years ago and thought I would nerd it up. It was/is pretty costly to change over all at once as you probably have more bulbs than you expect in your house. Anyways most of my 60-100 W equivalent LED replacement bulbs are 8.5-15W.

However the step lights are the same bulbs as a night light, a C7 bulb. An incandescent bulb of this size is typically 4-7W, and an LED equivalent is only 0.4-0.7W. I picked up two 0.5W versions today for $5 with a 50,000 hour rated life. This should cost just under $1 a year to run both 24/7 and last ~6 years.
My steps do not face the screen, so as long as they are dim enough I see no reason to have them turn off at all.

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I'd say that depends on someone's layout.

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I picked up two 0.5W versions today for $5 with a 50,000 hour rated life. This should cost just under $1 a year to run both 24/7 and last ~6 years.
You sure they will truly last that long? Are they made in China? Don't believe that life rating. Pure conjecture, and possibly outright fraud. I recently tossed $150 worth of Sylvania LED bulbs because they were exhibiting several defects. Conveniently, just outside their 1-year warranty. When I look at my investment: tossing perfectly good incandescent bulbs + $150 'name brand' crap bulbs + another $90 on *hopefully* decent bulbs... not so cost efficient. Just sayin'. As I comparison, I have 7-year old bulbs my home builder installed - which I guarantee are the cheapest incandescent bulbs they could find - that are still working. Sometimes the hype is... hype. I fell for it too. I do like LED's for the lower energy consumption, but I'm not convinced their longevity is for real (so far, my real-world experience says it's not). The cost:benefit equation isn't there yet for most of them. I'm buying dinosaur bulbs again.


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My steps do not face the screen, so as long as they are dim enough I see no reason to have them turn off at all.
As I mentioned above, they may not seem important to you under your circumstances, but others may have a different scenario where their light could be of greater importance. If you believe yours are frivolous, why did you invest in any fixtures and bulbs for them at all?

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I have step lights, I only turn them on when I've guests over and I want to make sure they see where the step down is, purely for safety and liability.
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I'd say that depends on someone's layout.
Agree completely. In my case (and many) I have one step so I don't see it as a big deal.


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You sure they will truly last that long? Are they made in China? Don't believe that life rating. Pure conjecture, and possibly outright fraud. I recently tossed $150 worth of Sylvania LED bulbs because they were exhibiting several defects. Conveniently, just outside their 1-year warranty. When I look at my investment: tossing perfectly good incandescent bulbs + $150 'name brand' crap bulbs + another $90 on *hopefully* decent bulbs... not so cost efficient. Just sayin'. As I comparison, I have 7-year old bulbs my home builder installed - which I guarantee are the cheapest incandescent bulbs they could find - that are still working. Sometimes the hype is... hype. I fell for it too. I do like LED's for the lower energy consumption, but I'm not convinced their longevity is for real (so far, my real-world experience says it's not). The cost:benefit equation isn't there yet for most of them. I'm buying dinosaur bulbs again.
The bulbs are Phillips C7 0.5W LED's. We'll see how they last, but my experience thus far is great. I have 70+ LED bulbs in use for roughly 5 years now and only 1 failure which was replaced under warranty. (EcoSmart bulb from HD, replacement shipped free without even asking for receipt)
I have 20 Phillips BR40 bulbs going strong so far. My LED bulbs have more than paid themselves off in energy savings (compared to incandescents), with the exception of the Hue bulbs which are exorbitantly priced but offer other features.


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As I mentioned above, they may not seem important to you under your circumstances, but others may have a different scenario where their light could be of greater importance. If you believe yours are frivolous, why did you invest in any fixtures and bulbs for them at all?
Because tinkering is fun and it was $8 for both fixtures, plus $5 for both bulbs? Rather cheap play thing for sure.
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