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OK, I got a better Idea. I will put the Vutec Sample (which is 8" x 10") right smack in the middle of the Sample #3 material. This way you can see all 4 sides of the Sample material verses the Vutec. I will shoot the Picture Straight on (as much as light will let me). I will do this after my late dinner here. So check back In a Hour from this post.

If that isn't good enough, you'll need to buy a plane ticket

Ruben

I think they are trying to say that the 1mm thickness of the Vutec material being on TOP of the other material is causing it to be out of focus????? I highly doubt 1 mm(or however thick the material is) is going to change the focal point that drastically!

I guess the question to ask is..did you try to refocus the PJ on the Vutec material? Being A video guy...I'm sure you did. I'm not an expert, maybe there is some strange property of the Vutec material theat would change the focal point(hard to believe, but I think that might be what others think).

Either way, you have more expertise in this area than me, so I'll say Good Find! Now get cracking on that business model.
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These fabrics look a lot like the sunscreen shades we just purchased for our office. You can purchase them in just about any color and from 0% to 50% weaves. The different weaves allow varying degrees of blocking the sun vs. being able to see through the shade. We purchased a 15% weave in black.

The shades are used a lot in hotter climates, like Arizona, California and Florida.

One of the trade name is "SheerWeave".
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Actually 1 mm variation in the plane field depth can cause out of focus particularly in foreground. He should take a picture of both side by side rather than one on top of the other.
A better way would be take a pic from 3' rather than close up so he has a deeper depth of field to work with. The VUTEC is out of focus so all its perms.

It is all about quality...that is the picture

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Is there a chance you can throw a sample of non perf/weave material up into the mix and maybe the Clearpix sample.
How far from your screen will you be sitting? Not to be a party pooper but the material that looks more in focus and/or brighter also looks like it really adds to screendoor if not making 2 or 3 different screen doors with its 10%, it also looks like it shades the individual pixels giving each pixel not 1 color but 2-4. Its almost like its adding EE to the picture.

I know these are Macro Close Up pictures, but I am sitting 30' away and the softer image looks more appealing , the other looks really harsh. Does the Sample look good from you seating area? Most of what I am saying comes from the cursor shot, the soft image has defined natural grays inside the cursor and good looking transition right outside the cursor with the light tan pixels, the other in focus one has Magenta and purple and blue inside the cursor and makes a serious mess of what appears to be skin. whats going on with the whites in the upper right of both those cursor shots? The soft looks defined and the in focus looks blurry, are these two seperate steps in whatever youre demoing?
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I get it !!! Ruben is a photoshop expert and is pulling a fast one on us

Shame on you Ruben.


Im curious why your fingers and knuckes are in the pics?


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Actually 1 mm variation in the plane field depth can cause out of focus particularly in foreground.

I'm betting against it. With decent light and a low F stop it's all moot on the "field" anyway. It's all fun to test though. ^_^
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One of the trade name is "SheerWeave".

Interesting, first page I found with pricing.

http://www.bestblinds.com/productpag..._2390_4000.php


mmmmmm. free samples(up to 10)
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Interesting, first page I found with pricing.

http://www.blindstore.net/roll_shades/sheerwave4000.htm

I should have recognized this, its on our blackouts ( black of course) with white vinyl backing on an auto roller system
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If that isn't good enough, you'll need to buy a plane ticket

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Hmmm, I think it is supposed to get below zero tonight and snow. And you are where? Ha, I got over 400,000 frequent flyer miles baby!!!! Make the guest bedroom up!

Starting Research for new Theater. New Theater will be 24x36x12.

The link to my previous theater build :) Theater


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NICE! I like your humor!
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man, and you just HAD to use the shades icon to rub it in

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The cat's out the bag.

Ruben

Cool. Thanks Ruben. On to the next set of dilemmas.

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I like cooking my marshmallows in the fire in the winter time thankyou very much!
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So that's pretty much it guys. I will let you test from here on if you want, but a few people are getting upset, so I will move on.

The cat's out the bag.

Ruben

I dont think anyones getting mad, this might be the most interesting topic I have seen in 6 months. Vutec and Clearpix might be mad , when Screen Research quoted our screen I wish it were 3-6K, try almost 10K and another 15 K for a masking system.

Make sure you head over to the DIY crowd and post a link to these last couple pages, you will hit a million posts by tomorrow night!

I would still love to see your results with the Clearpix thrown in, I am looking for an out door screen sort of like a drive in theater for pool partys and your material kicks the crap out of a bed sheet. I may be ordering a large sample of your #3 you choose. Is it heavy, are there weight specs?
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I bet that the Vutec has some sort of diffusion coating with the goal of creating a softer image, adding gain, or creating a wider viewing angle, and that coating would make the image seem less focused. I assume that now that you have a large sample you could tell if you are going to get hot spots with this new wonder-fabric, diffusion could reduce that also. If you are not seeing any hot spots or having viewing angle problems I would love to add my name to the list of people interested in knowing what this fabric is and where to get it. I figured that I would end up with speakers next to any inexpensive DIY screen instead of something that looked good, allowed sound thru, and was cheap.

A word on the camera focus debate, look at the first picture of all the samples together, they are stacked several layers deep and they are all in focus, so if ruben is taking the photos in a similar fashion then there should not be anywhere near that much difference in the focus of the camera from one layer of screen to another with the image samples. Looks like a much sharper image on the cheap screen to me.

I do see a potential problem building in the works here though. After sucking us all into his DIY scam, Ruben is going to try to get us all to join his wonder-screen pyramid sales program.

Keep up the brilliant work, I can't go a day without checking up on your thread.

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EDIT... OOPS took ten min to type this and by the time I finished it was less relevant. Oh well.

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I would still love to see your results with the Clearpix thrown in, I am looking for an out door screen sort of like a drive in theater for pool partys and your material kicks the crap out of a bed sheet. I may be ordering a large sample of your #3 you choose. Is it heavy, are there weight specs?

If Your Doing an Outdoor Screen you got do this. What else is gonna be better?Especially when you can do a 98" height x 260" for under $200

The weight is 17 - 20 Ounces per linear yard.

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I dont think anyones getting mad, this might be the most interesting topic I have seen in 6 months. Vutec and Clearpix might be mad , when Screen Research quoted our screen I wish it were 3-6K, try almost 10K and another 15 K for a masking system.

Make sure you head over to the DIY crowd and post a link to these last couple pages, you will hit a million posts by tomorrow night!

I would still love to see your results with the Clearpix thrown in, I am looking for an out door screen sort of like a drive in theater for pool partys and your material kicks the crap out of a bed sheet. I may be ordering a large sample of your #3 you choose. Is it heavy, are there weight specs?

Hey, Maybe I should start a screen company? LOL

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If Your Doing an Outdoor Screen you got do this. What else is gonna be better?Especially when you can do a 98" height x 260" for under $200

The weight is 17 - 20 Ounces per linear yard.

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Not to mention if the wind comes up the open weave would certainly help. $200 why mess around with samples. The Mercury HDs manual says something about throwing a 500" image .

Sound would be a major issue outside
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Ruben, How do you think this material would rate against non-perf screens. I dont need a perf screen in my setup and if this would be comparable, Im game for saving some $$$$$

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Not to mention if the wind comes up the open weave would certainly help. $200 why mess around with samples. The Mercury HDs manual says something about throwing a 500" image .

Sound would be a major issue outside

Thats what I'm doing as well. Gonna have a pool partys this summer and set up a screen outdoors. But I'm not a big baller like you

You can open a cinema with that bad boy.
The largest seamless height your going to get with this material is 98".
So you'll be able to do a seamless 98" x 230" (250" Diagonal) 2.35:1 Screen unless you don't mind seams, then the sky is the limit, literally

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Ruben, How do you think this material would rate against non-perf screens. I dont need a perf screen in my setup and if this would be comparable, Im game for saving some $$$$$

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Stick with non perf If You don't need it.

The biggest factor of having your speakers behind your screen is having the True Movie going experience in your home. There is nothing better in this world than the Sound coming out of you screen like a real movie theater. I mean that's why we are building theaters right?

I figured you would be doing that with that cineplex your building there.

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I dont really need a non-perf. I built space for my center either above or below. I guess I could always mount the center in the middle of a screen with a perf, but I would rather have better video and sacrafice a little imaging with the speaker either above or below than sacrafice picture for a center channel behind screen.

So the suggestion would be to stick with a non-perf huh?

They also make a model 4800 with 1% weave. Wonder how that would stack up?

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I dont really need a non-perf. I built space for my center either above or below. I guess I could always mount the center in the middle of a screen with a perf, but I would rather have better video and sacrafice a little imaging with the speaker either above or below than sacrafice picture for a center channel behind screen.

So the suggestion would be to stick with a non-perf huh?

They also make a model 4800 with 1% weave. Wonder how that would stack up?

Ronnie

I say experiment. If You like something, go with it. Your a creative, Experimental guy like me, so I think you'll do fine. When I was shooting a picture on my flat painted bone white wall, it looked just as good as allot of the samples I had up there. I think with the newer high end projectors we have now a days, the image looks damn good on just about whatever it hits.

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I hope some of you guys with these big Micro Perf Stewarts and Screen Research screens buy some of this material and test it out and let me know your thoughts.

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Rueben,
As usual excellent work!
How do you plan on attaching the screen to your frame?
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I am SOLD on that material! After seeing the care that you've taken in every other aspect of this theater and in the 'spared no expense' manner it's done - for you to recommend a DIY solution and building it out of this material, it must be nice stuff. Are you allowed to post where you bought it from?
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