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The word is DirecTV is switching from MPEG2 to MPEG4 which has a much higher compression rate so they can get more HD channels into the same bandwidth. MPEG4 is NOT backwards compatible with MPEG2. So all the equipment will eventually have to be swapped out as MPEG2 is dropped.

I can see DirecTV now..."Yes well give you an upgraded receiver or HD recroder for free...for a 4 year commitment..." Man that would tick me off.

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Well Last Night I got confirmation from the Workers that they will begin finishing the Theater on Monday (after ThanksGiving)

So I started making the Fiber Optic Star Panels for the Ceiling of the Theater. Each panel is 44.25" x 44.25" and we are Making 12 Panels to seamlessly cover the Ceiling.

Here are Some Pictures and Details...

We started with 1/4" Masonite Board (44.25" x 44.25") and Marked out a Grid with 11" x 11" Squares. This grid is to help place holes for Stars. You really dont want to do more than 4 holes per square Foot to keep it looking realistic. So I printed out a blown up version of the Alfa Centurie Galaxy and used that as Reference for Hole Placement for Stars.

Here you see the Grid and Black dots that represent star placement...



Here is the Fiber Optics we are using. They have 50 Fibers in one cable which will let us use 1 Cable per panel / 50 Stars per panel which adds up to 600 Stars between all 12 panels (if that made any sense



So we first drilled the holes for the Fibers in the Masonite using a 1/16 drill bit. Then we framed out each panel Stapling 1" x 2"s to the Back. Then sprayed #80 3M glue to the Masonite. Then Wrapped the Panel with Black GoM and Stapled the GoM to the Sides of the 1" x 2"s. We then fed each fiber through each hole having some stick out a little more than others to make some stars appear Brighter. The fibers stick out from 1/4" to 1/16" on the GoM side which is completely invisable when its up on the ceiling (exept for when the fibers are on). The fibers are secured in place with Hot Glue.

Here is an unframed Panel with fibers ran to it and GoM glued to the front. I did this one panel Backwards because I didn't have any 1" x 2"s here when I started.



Here is a completed stapled Panel, Just needs to be trimmed. The Air Stapler is the Fastest way to do these panels...



Here is the Back Panel Framed with 1" x 2"s and Wrapped with GoM.



I hooked up the fiber cable to a light box to show you how it looks in the daytime. You can see how some stars look bigger than others in the picture. The Stars also randomly twinkle due to a spinning wheel with holes in the light box. When you adjust the cable in the Light Box just right the stars look extremely authentic.



Here is a Night Shot...



Here is one of the light Boxes. We have 2 Light Boxes to run the 12 Panels

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Very Nice HT and so far very nice details on the fiber optic ceiling.

I've been this thread all along, waiting for this moment to ask you questions about "how to install fiber optic ceilings". With just a couple of pictures you posted really help my understanding of my limited knowledge in this area.

Just a couple more questions about fiber optic ceilings in general if you dont' mind answering.

1. Is the fiber optic ceilings done before putting up the drywall in ceiling or normally done afterwards?
2. Where are the light boxes normally located?
3. Do you have a more detail descriptions of how to do this that you could share so I won't ask you all these questions .
4. I noticed that you used 44"x44" area for doing fiber optic ceiling. Is the rest of the ceiling being painted black to match the gom covered fiber optic panels?

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1. Is the fiber optic ceilings done before putting up the drywall in ceiling or normally done afterwards?
2. Where are the light boxes normally located?
3. Do you have a more detail descriptions of how to do this that you could share so I won't ask you all these questions .
4. I noticed that you used 44"x44" area for doing fiber optic ceiling. Is the rest of the ceiling being painted black to match the gom covered fiber optic panels?
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Thanks,

1) We did 3 layers of 5/8's drywall on our ceiling with GG in between before adding these panels. So these panels are pretty much a drop ceiling that will drop about 2" from the Drywall ceiling. Some people have a crawl space or attic above them and can drill holes through their existing drywall ceilings instead of making panels like this.
We also used fabric on the ceiling panels because we are treating the ceiling reflection points and want the treatments to be seamlessly built into these panels.

2) The light boxes go Into 2 columns in my case (one in front of the theater and one in the rear). But they also can go into the surrounding soffit as long as you can access them to change a lightbulb and give them Air to breath.

3) I don't Know how much more detailed I can get. I thought with the details and pictures I posted it was detailed enough. If there is any other questions you have, feel free to ask.

4) The 44" x 44" Panels cover the entire Ceiling. You can look at My renders of my theater on a previous page of this thread for more details.

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Glad to see you have gotten back to work on at least some part of your theater!

I have a friend who is not a member of the forum (still don't get that part) but is following this thread with much interest as he will be building a theater. He is signing papers today to switch from his construction loan to a standard home loan and will know how fast he can start working on the theater based on how much money they have left over (don't have a final number yet).

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thanks Ruben for the update/answers.

So I take it that if you don't have access to the ceiling above via attic etc, then the fiber ceiling is normally done after the ceiling drywall goes up.

I actually went back to revisit your render again, man that's beautiful. It's been awhile since I last look at it and forgot that it's this thread. Been through so many HT construction threads that I don't know whom belong to whom. The coffered/beamed ceiling looks cool but seems too complicated to do so my ceiling probably wouldn't be coffered/beamed.

The masonite board you use, is that normally available at HD or Lowes? I guess you could use some other boards besides the masonite?

So it's a drop ceiling of some kind to put up the fiber ceiling afterwards. Now why the 2" dropped? Is it because the mechanism to hold the masonite board is about 2"? I don't know how to install drop ceiling, so when you get to that stage and if you don't mind posting some pictures on how to do it would be really helpful.

thanks again.
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Thanks, we all had the jitters from the DIY withdrawl. Looks great can't wait to see all the panels in formation.
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So I take it that if you don't have access to the ceiling above via attic etc, then the fiber ceiling is normally done after the ceiling drywall goes up.

Correct.

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The coffered/beamed ceiling looks cool but seems too complicated to do so my ceiling probably wouldn't be coffered/beamed.

I may not do the Coffered ceiling if the panels look real seamless like I want them to.

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The masonite board you use, is that normally available at HD or Lowes? I guess you could use some other boards besides the masonite?.

Its a common board at Lowes and Home Depot. I used it because it is the stiffest, straightest and Smoothest 1/4" board you can get. Its pretty much pegboard without the holes in it. You can use whatever you want, its all about what the builder wants to use an the results you end up with.

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So it's a drop ceiling of some kind to put up the fiber ceiling afterwards. Now why the 2" dropped? Is it because the mechanism to hold the masonite board is about 2"? I don't know how to install drop ceiling, so when you get to that stage and if you don't mind posting some pictures on how to do it would be really helpful.

We dropped it 2" because the Ceiling is getting 1"x2" furring Strips screwed in and the back of the Panels are getting 1"x2" framing. We will Staple Industrial Velcro to the back of the entire Panels Framing and Staple Velcro to the furring strips to hang them. We might Even use a hook and Ring sytem to hang them, depends on how the velcro proves.

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Glad to see you have gotten back to work on at least some part of your theater!

I have a friend who is not a member of the forum (still don't get that part) but is following this thread with much interest as he will be building a theater. He is signing papers today to switch from his construction loan to a standard home loan and will know how fast he can start working on the theater based on how much money they have left over (don't have a final number yet).

Yeah, it cooled down a bit out here so I worked outside these past 2 days.

Hopefully my thread helps your friend out a bit, Like every other thread here has helped me Out. I really want to see this star ceiling in action, this thing is just too cool!

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I also wanted to add to this about the Fiber Star Panels. We are going to be doing random shooting stars as well. They run off another LED device and a separate fibers as well.

I will post more pictures once I add those shooting stars.

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I also wanted to add to this about the Fiber Star Panels. We are going to be doing random shooting stars as well. They run off another LED device and a separate fibers as well.

I will post more pictures once I add those shooting stars.

Please do post lots of pictures.

Also, please post pictures of how you're attaching the fiber panels to the ceilings. I'll be interested how the panels turn out, i.e seamless or not.
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Can I ask... what program did you use to design your whole theatre?

Plus congrats on the acheivement so far, this is the sort of quality I want to build mine to...the best!

Also very detailed pitctures and explainations, iv been watching since not long after you started the post and can't wait to see the final result!

Well done!!

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Can I ask... what program did you use to design your whole theatre?

Plus congrats on the acheivement so far, this is the sort of quality I want to build mine to...the best!

Also very detailed pitctures and explainations, iv been watching since not long after you started the post and can't wait to see the final result!

Well done!!

Thanks!

I did the rough layout (first picture in this thread) with Photoshop doing everything to full scale. The Full color Renders you See 4 pages or so into my thread were done by Chirpie.

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One more point on the whole DirecTV thing. It is my assumption (and only that at this time) that once the rollout of MPEG-4 is complete, they will use the additional bandwidth that was being used for the NYC and L.A. HD locals to add more of the other HD networks such as TNT, USA, Encore....

Once again, it is my assumption only and if it does happen as I am guessing, it will be a while since they have to do the full roll-out first.

Don't hold your breath for that to happen - the NY & LA locals will remain on MPEG2 (along with the MPEG4 feeds being added next month) for a while in order to service all the DNS customers nationally.

Sandman - Great job on the theater; even better job of documenting and giving us a great thread to follow.

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Awsome work...

I check this thead atleast twice a day for updates....
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Why not just subscribe to it so you receive an email whenever anyone posts on it !

Would save you a lot of looking!

Nice theatre btw, very impressive

It has been very useful trying to design my own, I must say I like the drywalling it makes it so easy to run cables etc etc, we in britain are obsessed with bricks though not so easy to thread cables through!

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Here are some Updates...

Here is the method we used to run the fibers to the back of each panel. This method was much cleaner looking on the back (even though no one will ever see them).



Here is a Shot of the Front Light Tray. You can see the Star Panels Started going up. Also, Notice the Bass absorbtion in the Front Soffit. The Gap Between the Front Light Tray and Front Soffit is for the Automated Curtain Track (it is an 8" Gap).



Here is the Side Soffit (without Light Tray). Notice the bass absorbtion in there as well.




Here are 3 Panels up on the ceiling. Notice the Furring strips we used to hang them. 1"x 4"s and 1"x2"s. We used a Brad nailer to tack the Panels to the furring strips. The nails are completely invisable with the lights on. The panels are almost seamless with the lights on. They are completely seamless under Low light. You will also notice, we applied the GoM Fabric to the Side of the Soffit.

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From back of the room (Work Lights on, Fibers Off)


Same Shot as above, From back of the room (Work Lights on, Fibers ON)


Same Shot as above, From back of the room (Work Lights OFF, Fibers ON)


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Ruben,

Great job! Can't wait to see the end result. Where are you planning on putting the light boxes? I guess you're somewhat limited on the length of the fiber runs? How long are those runs?

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Great job! Can't wait to see the end result. Where are you planning on putting the light boxes? I guess you're somewhat limited on the length of the fiber runs? How long are those runs?

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The Light Boxes Go in the top of the 2 side columns. The front Left Column has 1 light Box that controls 6 panels and the rear left Column has another light Box that controls the other 6 panels.

Wow I just noticed, This is My 201 post on AVS and its in the 201st Post in my thread. How wierd is that?

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I guess you're somewhat limited on the length of the fiber runs? How long are those runs?

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The Cable runs range from 9 feet to 19 feet on each panel.

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those star panels are the coolest thing I have seen in a while Keep up the good work.

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Ruben,

Great job on the star panel. I'm planning to do the same thing but have it a 3-4 inches from the ceiling with a glow above it. I can now SHOW my wife what it looks like. This should seal the WAF deal Thanks!!

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Great looking fiber ceiling.

I forgot to ask you something last time. Are you planning on putting recessed lighting in the ceiling? If not, how does the room look with a dark ceiling in the day time?

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Do you have an update to your HT project?
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I saw what you did in your home theater and was very impressed. What I like about fiber optics is the fact that they are visible when there is light in the room.

I own Night sky Murals and what I do needs a very dark room. I have even suggested that people do what you have done when I knew that their room wouldn't ever get dark enough to appreciate the murals that I paint.

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I was impressed with your work.

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So, Jeff, how does your system work? Is is reflective paint or glo-in-the-dark paint?

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Looks nice. What does a mural cost for some thing like like a 9x12x9 ceiling? Also, hom much light is needed to "charge" the stars? HT rooms tend to be pretty dark, in fact, I just drywalled over the windows, so it won'd get hardly any light during the day, just pre-movie.

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Not sure I like your choice of colors(red/black), BUT I absolutely LOVE the way your HT is turning out! You have some really great ideas, and I will definatley use this thread when the construction starts on my new home. Thanks for sharing...keep up the great work!
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