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Brian, with my first row of seating at 11', would a column at 12' be ok?

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I am guessing you want to hide all of your speakers and equipments. However, I am not sure where you are planning to keep your sub. Is your sub is going to be behind one of the corner frames?

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I am guessing you want to hide all of your speakers and equipments. However, I am not sure where you are planning to keep your sub. Is your sub is going to be behind one of the corner frames?

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Yes, the sub will be behind either the left or right frames on the stage.

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12' would likely be OK but you might want to consider more centered between the 2 rows. Otherwise, the sides will be awfully far in front of the second row.

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12' would likely be OK but you might want to consider more centered between the 2 rows. Otherwise, the sides will be awfully far in front of the second row.


PERFECT!!! Thats exactly what I wanted to do and it would be more symetrical. I was just concerned about having them too far behind the front row money seats.

Thanks Brian.

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Great thread and theater design, Ronnie. I finally got around to checking yours out and am hooked, of course.

I'm glad you went with the combination of curved and curtains. The extra wide L & R speaker walls looked a bit large in your first rendering. You also have the ability to convert to 2.35:1 constant height, as many are doing lately it seems. All you'll have to do is move the curtains to the side.

I like your columns as well - I agree with others who've said that the wooden sides would maybe be a bit wider, and my additional thought on the subject is to possibly push them in a hair, so they don't stick out much more than the black fabric (approx 3/4" perhaps).

The last render you posted does indeed look odd to me, too. Centered on the side wall soffit that it's on may look a bit more symmetrical. It seems that Bryan has nudged you in that direction and you've agreed, so that should look great as well.

As far as the side surround speakers influencing the column location, I've thrown around the idea of putting two side surrounds on each side (essentially 9 channels including the rears), which should help diffuse the sound from the sides even more. The only additional requirement (other than two more speakers) would be an amplifier to power those additional channels. Obviously you'd cut the gain approximately in half at that point. I would imagine it would sound a bit better no matter which row you're in. I'm not sure if anyone else on AVS has done this (I'm sure someone has) or their results. If your column placement now favors a single side surround then obviously it's moot.

Awesome job.. the proscenium especially is a motivating factor.. Just don't hook up a projector!
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I hate to disagree with Bryan, but at least its only on something like aesthetics (where it's just an opinion and I can't be squished by his vast knowledge ) I think that the top and bottom plate look better in the new design, and I would suggest figuring out what sort of baseboard (if any) you are going to do before deciding on the bottom plate for sure. Good news about the side speaker placement though, I agree that that will look better back about a foot.

Keep up the good work and it'll look great however you decide to do it.

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Well, I was hoping to get a little work done this weekend. Nice thought anyway. My daughter turns 16 in April and has the new car itch. Almost all of my weekend consisted of driving around looking at 100's of cars. Very exciting

Good thing tomorrow is a holiday for me. All alone, so I should be able to provide you guys with some progress pics.

I spent a few hours in there tonight trying to figure out how im going to set up the can lighting for the stage and create the false ceiling for it. After a few trial ideas and mockups, I think I have it. That will be tomorrows main project along with staining out the 1/4 oak that will face out the stage and steps.

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Ronnie,
Are you going to place any kind of material(batting,insulation) in your stage ceiling?
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Are you going to place any kind of material(batting,insulation) in your stage ceiling?
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Yes, Take a look back on page 2 of this thread. You will see several pictures of the stage area. Its completely covered (walls and ceiling) with Linacoustic.

The small area you see just in front of the speaker columns and behind the soffit will be covered also. It was just not finished in the pics

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I will not be having side soffits, so I was planning on installing the curved plywood for the ceiling and from that point back to the front wall finish it with drywall. My question then is do I just staple commando cloth to the ceiling or do I need to install linacoustic material and then covered it with commando cloth?
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I will not be having side soffits, so I was planning on installing the curved plywood for the ceiling and from that point back to the front wall finish it with drywall. My question then is do I just staple commando cloth to the ceiling or do I need to install linacoustic material and then covered it with commando cloth?
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I believe the standard answer is that the entire front area needs to be covered with acoustic treatment. Walls and ceiling.

Check out the "Acoustical Treatment Master Thread". Its a sticky and is at the top of the "Dedicated Theater Design and Construction" forum. Lots of good info.

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I finished 3 of my 5 can lights for the stage this evening.

Its hard to tell what the finished product is going to look like, but I created some framing for a false ceiling that will be finished out in black fabric. I mounted a 2x4 between both speaker columns with L brackets and brought it down level with the bottom of the soffit.









The cutout you see on the ends of the 2x4 will be used later for some curving I need to do to match the false ceiling with the curved speaker frames and hold the outside 2 can lights. More on that later. The inside of the soffit will also get linacoustic.

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In order to support the can lights, I created some small trays out of particle board and some 1x2 Poplar strips. The strips were attached using liquid nails and brad nails. Clamps were used until glue dried.







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I cut holes in all 3 trays and mounted the lights.




Front side



Back side




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The 3 trays were mounted to soffit and rear 2x4 temporarily with clamps. All the wood and the cans will be painted black. Fabric will eventually be wrapped from the front of the soffit to the rear of the 2x4 creating a nice false ceiling. The 2x4 will also provide a place to attach the velvet swags. I will be making some sort of very thin heat resistant disk that will be 2-3" larger in diameter than the can trims. That way I can keep the fabric as far as possible from the cans and still have a clean look.








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Awesome Idea Ronnie! Thats gonna look sweet!

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Thanks Ruben. In hindsight, I wish I wouldnt have cut the backside of the bottom soffit piece in a 4" strip when I built the soffit. I should have left it solid and extended back to where the 2x4 is now. That would have made it a lot easier.

I wasnt as bold as you were with the colums. I couldnt make myself rip it down and start over

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Thanks Ruben. In hindsight, I wish I wouldnt have cut the backside of the bottom soffit piece in a 4" strip when I built the soffit. I should have left it solid and extended back to where the 2x4 is now. That would have made it a lot easier.

I wasnt as bold as you were with the colums. I couldnt make myself rip it down and start over

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Well hey, It was allot easier to build those columns than to build that Soffit. It will be fine. Just wrap it with some black GoM. Make sure you paint that wood black first too.
Also, if You leave That open, I bet you can use it as a bass trap as well. You would have to ask BPape that though.

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Lookin good man. Nice idea for the can lights.

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Lookin good man. Nice idea for the can lights.

Thanks Brian. Any merit to the bass-trap idea up inside that soffit?

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I worked a few more hours this evening on the stage lighting. I finished making the left and right column lights, test fitted, and painted everything black.


Test fitting of the corner lights. The plywood you see in the back matches the curvature of the speaker grilles and stands off of them about 1/8 inch. Just enough to run some material behind them and staple it down later.




All lights test fitted and spacing checked for visual appearance.





Trays, 3 center cans, and 2 outside eyballs painted black.



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I'll take a look at everything when I run the room.

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Ronnie, looks great so far. I can't wait to buy a house in the next 1-2 years so I can start planning my own theater using all the stuff I've learned on these forums. Question, what software do you use for your mockup renderings?
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Ronnie,

Where did you get your can lights? HD, Lowes? Are they 4"? Are they LINE voltage vs. low voltage. BTW -- great idea to paint them black -- should make them blend in well with the black Commando cloth.
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Question, what software do you use for your mockup renderings?

Its called Sketchup. www.sketchup.com

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Where did you get your can lights? HD, Lowes? Are they 4"? Are they LINE voltage vs. low voltage. BTW -- great idea to paint them black -- should make them blend in well with the black Commando cloth.

It took a trip to both to find what I needed. They were around $15 each.

I bought the 3 center cans from Lowes. They are 5 inches tall and take PAR-20 50watt halogen bulbs. 110 volt.






I bought the 110v eyeball fixtures at Home Depot. They are 4" tall and take PAR-16 60 watt halogen bulbs. Im using 45 watt in them.





For my peremiter tray lighting, I found these at http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=5092. They have a place in Mesquite off 635 over by Home Depot. They are only about 4" tall including the can. I will have to paint them also. Cool little lights.

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Where did you find the linacoustics RC at?
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Where did you find the linacoustics RC at?

Its a long way from you, but the cheapest place I could find locally was:

J-MIL Sheet Metal Fabricators
2143 Gus Thomasson, BLDG #2
Mesquite, TX 75150
972-681-2223

$198 total for 100 foot Roll of 1" x 48" They have other stuff also.


The pricing strategy on this stuff is insane. Nobody has anywhere near the same pricing structure. It was anywhere from $198 to over $500 for the exact same product depending on who you called. INSANE

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The price i found was $255 for a 100' roll by 47" wide
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