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Hello,

I am a new home owner looking to get into a dedicated home theater room on a budget. My equipment as of right now is as follows:

Original Equipment
NEC XG110 CRT FP
HK AVR 325
JBL NSPIIa Speaker Package
Parts Express Dayton 10” Sub

Equipment Version 1.1
Behringer A500 Amplifiers x 3
Onix Rocket RS-150 x 4 & RSC-200
AV123 MFW-15

Equipment Version 2.0
Panasonic AE4000U
SeymourAV 2.35:1 ATS
EconoWaveGuide Deluxe LCR's
EconoWaveGuide Wedge Surrounds <---coming soon (this fall/winter)
TubaHT Subwoofer
Onkyo 1008
Oppo BDP-93 (free from AVS as door prize!)

Background

New home has a bonus room in the basement that was previously used as a family room with built in surround sound for an older Mitsubishi RPTV with only one couch for seating.

Current Room Tour….follow me….
The room is approximately 22’x14’ with some interesting shapes…

Before...all clean and domestic looking


Current Status...







Table of Contents: [work in progress...please forgive]

1. Theater layout Rev. 0
2. Painting room
3. Making blackout cloth screen with wood frame and velvet trim
4. Theater seats from eBay!
5. Theater layout Rev. 1
6. Making spot for equipment rack
7. Installing Linacoustic and wall panels/frames
8. Theater Rendering Rev. 1
9. Building risers
10. Mounting projector
11. Getting carpet
12. First Unveiling Appearance
13. Theater Layout Rev. 3
14. Adding projector hushbox
15. Building new custom LCR speakers
16. Building acoustically transparent screen wall
17. Building my new subwoofer...a BFM Tuba HT Folded Horn Subwoofer!
18. Building new Scope 2.35:1 Acoustically Transparent Screen
19. Adding Acoustically Transparent Screen Lighting for affect
20. Adding cabinets and counter-tops
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Now, you can see I have been marking up what I am imagining….

The crt projector I purchased from mikecazzx on AVS forum came with a stand that he built, which I will either use or recreate with a different finish. Here is what mike gave me…including the projector…well not gave I guess..


Either way these things are huge at around 34” x 54”. I don’t really like the idea of ceiling mounting this 150lb mammoth but I might change my mind soon enough. I was looking at this type of home theater style seat..

Theater seating.

So the crt projector and stand in the middle of two theater style seats on each side in the front row at about 11’ from the 110” screen (preliminarily).







Then building a riser behind this first row (possibly with some bass shakers to fit one couch for now.

I will modify one of those “dvd racks” to be an equipment rack opening…



For room color I want to use this color…


Which is a sort of deep red/maroon, with a black chair rail and some sort of fabric on the lower half of the wall. The screen wall will be some sort of black fabric as well.

I was contemplating closing the room off with a wall in the back and cutting a door through this wall….


But the hallway is pretty narrow behind it so I don’t think I can make this work.




Thanks for reading the whole thing…I guess I always read these things and wish people would put more pictures and less words…so that is what I did.

Any suggestions thus far?? Where is a good future rendering when you need one?? lol

Still need a theater room name also….
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I definitely think its harder trying to alter or modify an existing room than building a new room from scratch. You seem to have a good start on the project. If both rack areas are staying I might consider using the rear area for your components so their lights don't reflect on the screen. Also while I agree the more picture the merrier, I was still a bit confused on what's exactly behind the different extensions into the room. Sometimes a layout helps drum up some suggestions.
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True, true...I forgot the plan.

I did this in MS paint so don't laugh.

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Let me try to convince you to ceiling mount the projector. Its really not that hard (a few friends bribed with beer work well). With limited width, you don't want to give up the best seats to the projector.

Also, there is sometimes a brightness issue with floor mounting. When you floor mount, the light comes up to the screen and then bounces off towards the ceiling. When you ceiling mount, it goes the other way - with the light reflecting back down toward you.

Anyway, consider it. I think it would be worth it.
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True, true...I forgot the plan.

I did this in MS paint so don't laugh.


Where's the door? You said it doesn't really work in the side wall and you put a couch all the way across the back...
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You could also add some type of built in shelving in the area between the current built-ins. You could use them to hold DVD's or theater accessories. You could also put a popcorn machine there.

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Where's the door? You said it doesn't really work in the side wall and you put a couch all the way across the back...


Now you see my dilemma...I might bring the side wall in to match the built-in depth to make the side hallway larger and put the door in the side.

I also agree that it stinks that the best seats in the house are being given to the projector. It seems that the nature of the CRT projectors is you want easy access to the insides to mess around with stuff.

I might build the tried and true unistrut mount for ceiling mounting but I would hate to keep having people come over to help me get it down and up and down and up....
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You can still access the insides when its on the ceiling (because it is upside down). Unistrut works well. That's what I used to hang my M8500 in my last room.

Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Have you thought of turning the whole thing 90 degrees? If I understand your comments thus far, you are planning seating for 5. 3 in the couch, and 2 theater seats? You have your projector noted as 11 feet from the screen.

You should have the room to do one row of 5 seats, have the projector at 11 feet, and be able to use the current doorway. In some instances the "longer" dimension actually works better as the 'width' of the theater.

I also agree that you should ceiling mount the projector.
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Have you thought of turning the whole thing 90 degrees? If I understand your comments thus far, you are planning seating for 5. 3 in the couch, and 2 theater seats? You have your projector noted as 11 feet from the screen.

You should have the room to do one row of 5 seats, have the projector at 11 feet, and be able to use the current doorway. In some instances the "longer" dimension actually works better as the 'width' of the theater.

I also agree that you should ceiling mount the projector.


I have thought of that because that is how the room was setup when we bought the house. I didn't like the feel. I thinkt that a longer narrow room will give a more theater type feeling than one wide row of seating. Just my preference but thanks.

I am seriously considering ceiling mounting now and will have to look into this....
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I also suggest turning it 90deg. You could put in one wide arc of seating in that space.

.... and mounting of the projector on the ceiling.

Best of luck.... either way it will be a nice space.

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NICE photo blog. keep em coming.
Id almost be tempted to put the screen between the 2 dvd bookcases instead of the other wall.. although you will loose secondary seating but you can fit more of the theater style seats in a row (if you ceiling mount too).
11' away for the seating should be plenty, but you will suffer when it comes to the image's size. also. i own those same Bic Accoustechs as well.. after proper break-in, its going to sound KILLER in that small room.. you will not need to upgrade the sub.. youll see

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Ok, so I will entertain ceiling mounting the projector but there is no way I am doing the short wide theater. I just don't like how it looks. I like feeling more like an actual theater!

Here is an updated "plan".



I am thinking about continuing the soffit all around the theater to maintain some continuity around the screen. I have removed the equipment rack and will most likely place it closer to the projector behind the wall with maybe only a dvd player in the actual theater and everything else behind the scenes. I can also bring the left wall in a bit to not make the theater so right hand lopsided but more narrow which is bad. I am looking at it.

Any thoughts on the soffit or the new layout? Thanks guys.
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Here is a pic of the soffit I am thinking of...I just now thought of putting the center channel speaker in there too!

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A little update. I have people coming over to my house and I couldn't resist in getting something done! So I threw up some paint. I am building a BOC screen now and may start to build a riser next week.



Still Wet!

I am going to have the bottom half with some sort of black fabric or cloth...something cheap.

Man I hate trim work.
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A little update. I have people coming over to my house and I couldn't resist in getting something done! So I threw up some paint. I am building a BOC screen now and may start to build a riser next week.



Still Wet!

I am going to have the bottom half with some sort of black fabric or cloth...something cheap.

Man I hate trim work.

looking good so far, but someone needs a lesson on how to apply paint properly and evenly.
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I like the color, I assume it will dry flat and not glossy?
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looking good so far, but someone needs a lesson on how to apply paint properly and evenly.

Hey! I don't paint for a living and it is WET in the picture...so yes it is FLAT black and EGGSHELL burgundy wine. It dries smooth and even. Thanks for the comments though...this is a temporary fix to make it look nice to get all my friends on the same page as myself...right now they think I am crazy!
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Hey! I don't paint for a living and it is WET in the picture...so yes it is FLAT black and EGGSHELL burgundy wine. It dries smooth and even. Thanks for the comments though...this is a temporary fix to make it look nice to get all my friends on the same page as myself...right now they think I am crazy!

i was referring to the roller marks. you shouldn't paint in an up/down motion as it doesn't spread the paint evenly...you should try to paint in a "W" "N" or "M" motion, criss crossing so the paint is even and blends.

as i said, it looks great....just a tip for future reference....

here are some tips to make it easier:
http://www.paintquality.com/diy/content/howtopaint.htm

I don't paint for a living either ... though one would think so, given the amount of color i have in my house and the number of times I've painted each room
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i was referring to the roller marks. you shouldn't paint in an up/down motion as it doesn't spread the paint evenly...you should try to paint in a "W" "N" or "M" motion, criss crossing so the paint is even and blends.

as i said, it looks great....just a tip for future reference....

here are some tips to make it easier:
http://www.paintquality.com/diy/content/howtopaint.htm

I don't paint for a living either ... though one would think so, given the amount of color i have in my house and the number of times I've painted each room


Ok, ok, ok...guilty...I have always gone up and down like Mr. Miagi taught me.

You can't tell once it dries...at least from my experience...but if you come over to my house and point out my painting errors I will kindly ask you to leave! Once the lights off no one will see anything anyway right!

Thanks for the tips...pretty sure I have seen that on some TLC shows before though.
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One more vote for a ceiling mounted projector.

I could not stand giving one of the best seats in the house to the dam projector. My NEC 9PG+ is ceiling mounted. it is very easy to get to. The cover just drops down. On the floor you have the cabinet and theater chairs to deal with.

Plus on the floor the lenses are subject to damage. Also on the floor it is going to get moved and pushed out of alinement.
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Once the lights off no one will see anything anyway right!

100% correct!
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One more vote for a ceiling mounted projector.

I could not stand giving one of the best seats in the house to the dam projector. My NEC 9PG+ is ceiling mounted. it is very easy to get to. The cover just drops down. On the floor you have the cabinet and theater chairs to deal with.

Plus on the floor the lenses are subject to damage. Also on the floor it is going to get moved and pushed out of alinement.

I have pretty much decided to mount on the ceiling but for this unoffical unveiling in three weeks I will most likely not have time...heck I doubt I can even get the risers and carpet in!

I am trying to find out what I should do about bass shakers or butt kickers for my risers...maybe just buy the actual unit without amp right now and just wire them up for later purchase of amp...not enough cash flow for them right now but once the riser is up and carpeted there is no going back...does everyone fill there riser with something? sand? insulation? nothing?
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Greg,
Most people stuff the riser with insulation....

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I received and installed my Insteon dimmers



and controller(I thought this was wireless!).



I made a quick BOC screen with some velvet trim. The BOC was from Rosebrand and had some spots on it! Too late to turn back now though...it is only a temporary fix and will serve the purpose just fine for now.



Now I am looking for solutions for lining the bottom half of the room. I have thought about using linacoustic with fabric over top or possibly just the fabric over top for this first little gathering. I will have to decide, and cost may be the deciding factor.
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and controller(I thought this was wireless!).


It is.
Its just not battery powered.

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The screen looks good in the pic, what kind of material did you use? What size is that screen? I see your location is IA/IL, I was wondering if you are in the quad cities?
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i was referring to the roller marks. you shouldn't paint in an up/down motion as it doesn't spread the paint evenly...you should try to paint in a "W" "N" or "M" motion, criss crossing so the paint is even and blends.

as i said, it looks great....just a tip for future reference....

here are some tips to make it easier:
http://www.paintquality.com/diy/content/howtopaint.htm

I don't paint for a living either ... though one would think so, given the amount of color i have in my house and the number of times I've painted each room

Ok, I'll join in on the constructive paint criticism too.
Always do the cut in first, unless you are doing some crown molding or something.

Looks good. Room dimensions are similar to what I am faced with too except I have a rectangular space. I'm setting mine up long and narrow too. I have yet to get started. Still trying to figure out all these wall isolation techniqes. These isolation clips just seem overkill and cost so much money. Anyway, getting off topic.

Keep it up, can't wait to see the rest.
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