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post #2401 of 2421 Old 08-23-2015, 03:30 PM
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You can't unless you are an authorized dealer. Go to https://www.customavrack.com/
Or you can just order a 19" shelf and set you amp on it. I Would just see if Outlaw has rack mounting ears for your amp. That would be the best way and it would save you space in your rack.
From what I read outlaw doesn't do any rack mounting. Any advice the best place to order a 18/19" deep shelf, the largest at customavrack is only 16inches from what I see.
Edit: would this be an option? http://www.customavrack.com/Products...ack-shelf.aspx

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From what I read outlaw doesn't do any rack mounting. Any advice the best place to order a 18/19" deep shelf, the largest at customavrack is only 16inches from what I see.
Edit: would this be an option? http://www.customavrack.com/Products...ack-shelf.aspx
If you can bolt it to the front and back it will work. Why not use a shelf and let the back of the amp hang off a little? That would make your search so much easier.
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From what I read outlaw doesn't do any rack mounting. Any advice the best place to order a 18/19" deep shelf, the largest at customavrack is only 16inches from what I see.
Edit: would this be an option? http://www.customavrack.com/Products...ack-shelf.aspx
I have a Middle Atlantic RSH-4A for the Outlaw 7500: it is the new ventilated design: PM sent

the Outlaw is so heavy I used a support under the back of the rackshelf to the bottom of the rack for stability
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From what I read outlaw doesn't do any rack mounting. Any advice the best place to order a 18/19" deep shelf, the largest at customavrack is only 16inches from what I see.
Edit: would this be an option? http://www.customavrack.com/Products...ack-shelf.aspx

I went with this from MA.

It supports 250lbs. I had to get it for my Sherbourn PA7-350 which tips the scales at 105lbs !!!!!!


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Thanks for the replies guys, Mark pmd you back.

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Mark is sending me the rack at no cost, super generous, thanks everyone for the help.

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I went with this from MA.

It supports 250lbs. I had to get it for my Sherbourn PA7-350 which tips the scales at 105lbs !!!!!!


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Why didn't you use the rack ears that came with it?

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Why didn't you use the rack ears that came with it?
I did.

But the amp has no REAR support, and 105lbs is simply too much weight to be supported from the front only.


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I've just been using the rack ears. Works fine.

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I've just been using the rack ears. Works fine.
You might want to reconsider that if you are relying on ears alone and your device is anything over 50-60lbs.

I called MA support directly before contemplating mounting a 100+ lb device from front rackears alone and MA strongly advised against it WITHOUT any rear support.

Don't know what sort of rack you're using nor the weight of your device, but disregarding the above information from the manufacture can lead to serious problems down the road. Tweaked rack, tweaked case (of your device)....even structural failure.




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Don't know what sort of rack you're using nor the weight of your device, but disregarding the above information from the manufacturer can lead to serious problems down the road. Tweaked rack, tweaked case (of your device)....even structural failure.
Gotta agree with that. Man, I don't even want to think about how nasty it'd sound to hear a rack fail. I mean, we all have 'house sounds' we're used to hearing, but that'd take it to a whole other level.

I've had some pretty stout equipment racks over the years, the most beastly being one designed for an HP tape drive. The metal of the uprights and the structure of them was QUITE a lot more robust than the typical C-shaped post used on a rack intended for AV gear. That and the strength of the metal screws. Combine thin gauge metal for the uprights with screws not intended for that much load and you're really asking for trouble.
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You might want to reconsider that if you are relying on ears alone and your device is anything over 50-60lbs.

I called MA support directly before contemplating mounting a 100+ lb device from front rackears alone and MA strongly advised against it WITHOUT any rear support.

Don't know what sort of rack you're using nor the weight of your device, but disregarding the above information from the manufacture can lead to serious problems down the road. Tweaked rack, tweaked case (of your device)....even structural failure.




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I have the same amp, 7-350, using a MA WRK rack. I received exactly the opposite communication you did from MA. Their only suggestion to me was mount it in the lower third of the rack to keep the center of gravity lower. Maybe you have one of the cheaper racks?

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I have the same amp, 7-350, using a MA WRK rack. I received exactly the opposite communication you did from MA. Their only suggestion to me was mount it in the lower third of the rack to keep the center of gravity lower. Maybe you have one of the cheaper racks?

Since you have the same amp you should be well aware of the very tiny, tiny screws which secure the rack ears to the amp case....in either case (pun intended) be it a possible issue with tweaking the rack or teaking the case, 100lbs is a considerable amount of weight to simply be supported via front rack ears and no where else. I worked in a USAF E&I unit for 6 years and there is no way one would support something so heavy from the front alone.

Maybe your rack is 1/4" steel, but man that's risky in my book.

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Since you have the same amp you should be well aware of the very tiny, tiny screws which secure the rack ears to the amp case....in either case (pun intended) be it a possible issue with tweaking the rack or teaking the case, 100lbs is a considerable amount of weight to simply be supported via front rack ears and no where else. I worked in a USAF E&I unit for 6 years and there is no way one would support something so heavy from the front alone.

Maybe your rack is 1/4" steel, but man that's risky in my book.

Good luck .


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Got to agree. My amps are all on ventilated shelves even though the manufacturer will supply rack ears for them. It is just too much weight hanging on the front IMO.
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Is there a rule of thumb for order in a rack when it comes to receiver and amplifier. I want to say I read coolest to hottest from bottom to top. I currently have a buttkicker 1000 amp (far bottom) , Outlaw 7500 (comes tomorrow), and a Onkyo 809 (soon to be replaced with Anthem 720/Denon x6200 more than likely). I was thinking from bottom to top, BK, Outlaw 7500, then Receiver. Then I have a blu ray player up towards the top for IR reasons.
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Is there a rule of thumb for order in a rack when it comes to receiver and amplifier. I want to say I read coolest to hottest from bottom to top. I currently have a buttkicker 1000 amp (far bottom) , Outlaw 7500 (comes tomorrow), and a Onkyo 809 (soon to be replaced with Anthem 720/Denon x6200 more than likely). I was thinking from bottom to top, BK, Outlaw 7500, then Receiver. Then I have a blu ray player up towards the top for IR reasons.
I put the heaviest item (power conditioner/transformer) at the bottom, then the amps. I put the preamp at a convenient eye-level for knob-twiddling and observation of the displays, and the Blu-Ray player just below it for convenient access.
Other things fit in where they seemed logical -- QSC DSP equalizers are below the Oppo, and a light, the DirecTV box, and an HTPC are above that. The Ethernet switch and the Global Cache/iRule units are mounted in the back of the rack at the top. There is 1U empty space between each box, and heat is not an issue in my setup.
Just FYI, the QSC amps are very efficient and don't make much heat. I don't control anything in the rack with IR (only the screen masking control is IR)

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I put the heaviest item (power conditioner/transformer) at the bottom, then the amps. I put the preamp at a convenient eye-level for knob-twiddling and observation of the displays, and the Blu-Ray player just below it for convenient access.
Other things fit in where they seemed logical -- QSC DSP equalizers are below the Oppo, and a light, the DirecTV box, and an HTPC are above that. The Ethernet switch and the Global Cache/iRule units are mounted in the back of the rack at the top. There is 1U empty space between each box, and heat is not an issue in my setup.
Just FYI, the QSC amps are very efficient and don't make much heat. I don't control anything in the rack with IR (only the screen masking control is IR)
Nice job. I agree with you about putting the heaviest gear at the bottom for stability. Until I revamped my rack recently, my amps were too high in the rack. The rack is on wheels so I can pull it out of its closet for maintenance and it always felt a little unstable, as though it could topple over until I reworked it with the amps at the bottom. It's my first rack so I am learning as I go along.

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Need some help guys, I have an Outlaw 7500 on the way and need a shelf for it for my rack. Dimensions (W x H x D): 17.2 x 7.75 with feet x 18 (inches),Weight: 80 (lbs). Any advice on a shelf or is MidAtlantic custom my only choice? I would prefer just a normal shelf because the midatlantic will be prob be super expensive. I looked it up on their site and found this part number RSH4A5X OUTLAW MODEL7500, how do you order from them?
A cantilevered shelf will NOT work. I tried it with the 7500 and the screws popped right out of the threads. It needs support in front and back or a center shelf.

I placed my 7500 on the bottom of the rack on a platform that rest on the floor.
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A cantilevered shelf will NOT work. I tried it with the 7500 and the screws popped right out of the threads. It needs support in front and back or a center shelf.

I placed my 7500 on the bottom of the rack on a platform that rest on the floor.
Mark Rubin sent me a MA custom rack, I ended up bracing the back with some pieces of wood just in case. From my earlier question, I ended up doing from bottom to top, UPS > BK > Outlaw 7500 > Onkyo 809 > Blu Ray Player > Fan Controller.



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Mark Rubin sent me a MA custom rack, I ended up bracing the back with some pieces of wood just in case. From my earlier question, I ended up doing from bottom to top, UPS > BK > Outlaw 7500 > Onkyo 809 > Blu Ray Player > Fan Controller.
That is my point, you supported your cantilevered shelf with wood blocks. If you did not the cantilevered shelf would sag and eventually fail.

I too supported the back of the shelf that carries my Marantz AV7702. As it was a little too heavy a cantilevered shelf.

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Mark Rubin sent me a MA custom rack, I ended up bracing the back with some pieces of wood just in case. From my earlier question, I ended up doing from bottom to top, UPS > BK > Outlaw 7500 > Onkyo 809 > Blu Ray Player > Fan Controller.



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