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post #301 of 959 Old 11-17-2008, 08:30 AM
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You'd definitely need to lose the prosceniums (or greatly reduce them) in your room to go wider on the screen. I have NO regrets going CIH and love the AT screen as well.

Are you still planning on the rs20? Have you given thought to a lens or just zooming? Considered the AE3000? Are you going to do any masking?

Just spoke with my HT guy. He says given where my throw is (12.5') I'd be limited on what size screen, otherwise the lens (Panamorph) won't be able to effectively do its thing. He suggested no bigger than 45x106. Obviously with my original screen being 54x96 I ended up gaining width but losing height. Not too big a deal breaker for me since mainly movie watching (and I took inventory of my BDs and see only 1 or 2 out of 26 are 1.78). Could potentially move the projector to the second row but with my 10" riser I just don't think it's a wise move.

Regarding the masking, once you factor in the screen frame, I've only got about 14" on each side not leaving me with many options. I think I can live with the black bars on the side.

OMAN-using your formula would take me to 146 wide, which I'm nowhere near...ugh.
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Just spoke with my HT guy. He says given where my throw is (12.5') I'd be limited on what size screen, otherwise the lens (Panamorph) won't be able to effectively do its thing. He suggested no bigger than 45x106. Obviously with my original screen being 54x96 I ended up gaining width but losing height. Not too big a deal breaker for me since mainly movie watching (and I took inventory of my BDs and see only 1 or 2 out of 26 are 1.78). Could potentially move the projector to the second row but with my 10" riser I just don't think it's a wise move.

Regarding the masking, once you factor in the screen frame, I've only got about 14" on each side not leaving me with many options. I think I can live with the black bars on the side.

OMAN-using your formula would take me to 146 wide, which I'm nowhere near...ugh.


14" is plenty for a masking system.. or even curtains. For example, I believe the SMX masking system is about 4" per side (included in the frame). That said, I am currently happy without a masking system myself and I'd say that 90% of our viewing is 16:9 (TV and video games). Just a point to consider.

Our projector is above the second row (approximately a 17' throw). In fact, it is directly over the middle seat in the back row which works out, since no one will ever be fully standing under it. The ceiling height is ~7'6 not counting the 8" riser which makes the effective ceiling height 6'10". I've never been in danger of hitting the projector, though if it was further forward, I'd be a bit more uneasy about people touching it.

16:9 at 45" high = ~92" diagonal = 3614.26 sq. in.
16:9 at 54" high = ~110" diagonal = 5167.63 sq. in.

If you view a lot of 16:9 material (such as HDTV), you will be giving up quite a bit of real estate by shrinking the screen that much (~40%).

Personally, I'd go with a longer throw and a bigger screen. But that's just me and the fact that I do a lot of 16:9 viewing (tv, video games). I wanted to maximize my 16:9 viewing and as a bonus, have the extra width for movies.
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14" is plenty for a masking system.. or even curtains. For example, I believe the SMX masking system is about 4" per side (included in the frame). That said, I am currently happy without a masking system myself and I'd say that 90% of our viewing is 16:9 (TV and video games). Just a point to consider.

Our projector is above the second row (approximately a 17' throw). In fact, it is directly over the middle seat in the back row which works out, since no one will ever be fully standing under it. The ceiling height is ~7'6 not counting the 8" riser which makes the effective ceiling height 6'10". I've never been in danger of hitting the projector, though if it was further forward, I'd be a bit more uneasy about people touching it.

16:9 at 45" high = ~92" diagonal = 3614.26 sq. in.
16:9 at 54" high = ~110" diagonal = 5167.63 sq. in.

If you view a lot of 16:9 material (such as HDTV), you will be giving up quite a bit of real estate by shrinking the screen that much (~40%).

Personally, I'd go with a longer throw and a bigger screen. But that's just me and the fact that I do a lot of 16:9 viewing (tv, video games). I wanted to maximize my 16:9 viewing and as a bonus, have the extra width for movies.

While I know a little about the SMX screens I'm not familiar with the masking system. Is it a big upcharge to have that add-on and what exacty does it do?

You've got me contemplating such but of course my ceiling is all closed up and I've got my conduit running to the 12' spot. Had the foresight to add blocking back for the second row in case of projector swap but did not run a second conduit (stupid). Though I think the GC can still get the HDMI back there through the equipment closet which only has a drop ceiling. I'm a bit more height challenged than you though. I've only got 89", so take away 10" for the riser, netting me only 79" (just over 5' 8").
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The masking systems are quite pricey. I don't know exactly what the SMX ones run, but I'm sure its over $3-5K. Carada and a few others have masking systems in the 2-3K range as well, though they seem to only stock a set number of sizes.

Whatever you decide to do about the projector/screen...just try to make sure you'll be happy with what you decided. It'll be even harder to change it down the road so even if there is some added pain in getting it how you want now, it'll be MUCH easier than 6 months or a year from now while your GC is still around. If you think there is a chance you will want a bigger screen down the road, you probably will.

Try taping off the screen 2.35 screen sizes you are considering as well. It might help.

You can always use mount the projector with toggles instead of screwing into blocking. Not as nice, but still gets the job done.

If the projector is directly over a seat or not over an aisle, 5'8" is probably ok... if it's in the aisle, it's probably not a good idea. You seem to have a fairly large riser... I wonder how big of a screen you could do by just moving the projector back a foot or two. How much space will there be between the front and back row and how far from the back wall with the back row of seats be?
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I am also looking for a 130" + wide 2.35:1 screen and a masking system for 16:9 constant height viewing. Regarding SMX masking system pricing, check this post at their forum:

http://www.smxscreen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=523

Ruben there says: "MSRP's start at $9k"

ouch.
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If the projector is directly over a seat or not over an aisle, 5'8" is probably ok... if it's in the aisle, it's probably not a good idea. You seem to have a fairly large riser... I wonder how big of a screen you could do by just moving the projector back a foot or two. How much space will there be between the front and back row and how far from the back wall with the back row of seats be?

Riser is 8' deep. Front row to be almost butted up against the riser - leave a little spacing for baseboard heat. I have the second row placed at 24" from the front of the riser. If I had to guess then that would put the throw at around 16-17' over the second row. HT guy was reluctant to have me move my projector with the limited headroom. But if I can get it back without potential projector head-bang then he said I can get a screen measuring 54"x127" (netting me no loss in height and a gain of 31" in width). Only other worry then is the 10" riser will have to do (was considering adding more height since I had some trouble seeing the very bottom of my blue tape over my husband's head).

With the $$$ for masking I can live with the side black bars. Again, most of my viewing will be BDs.
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If the projector is at least directly above the seat (or further back), it shouldn't be a head bang issue. When seated, people will be well away from it (much lower). As you sit or stand, you will never be at full height AND under the projector. As you get out of the seat, you lean forward, for example.

It's hard to tell the full prospective from your pictures, but it seems like the projector could be moved back a foot or two without too much difficulty or getting in the way. Just not sure how much more screen size it'd buy you.

I agree about the masking. We are living without it for now. Eventually I may rig something up (such as velvet wrapped panels)... but it's not worth more than the price of the screen to me. It's money better spent elsewhere.


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Hey jamis, I am currently designing trendy, disposable, recyclable, horse blinkers styled eyeware, for 2.35:1 to 16:9 masking. My kids would love to mass produce them!
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I can second what Jamis is saying about sitting and standing concerning the back row. I have a whole soffit shelf in the back and its been a non issue. Riser is 10.5" with a total ceiling height of 7'6" before soffit and riser. Pages 5 and 9 on my build show pics of the soffit which has a depth of about 30" from the back wall.
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Hey jamis, I am currently designing trendy, disposable, recyclable, horse blinkers styled eyeware, for 2.35:1 to 16:9 masking. My kids would love to mass produce them!

Ha! What a novel idea. Sure beats holding your hands up beside your face for the entire feature.

Just what would a set of four of these babies set me back. Would I get a beta tester discount or maybe for a set of four for free if I give six months of testimonials.

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Hey jamis, I am currently designing trendy, disposable, recyclable, horse blinkers styled eyeware, for 2.35:1 to 16:9 masking. My kids would love to mass produce them!

A very interesting concept! Even at $100 a set, you'd be way ahead based on the price of most masking systems.
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Hi Jamis,

I love the carpet in hometheater and congratulations for your hometheater it is really nice specially when your better half support you all the way, just like my wife she is very suportive too with our hometheater, Thanks for posting the link of your carpet I seach carpet one and they have a location in our area not far from where I live, I've been thinking what carpet design should I install in my hometheater but I like yours a lot,

Question there is something about 20% cheaper with the surface is kind of flat do you have a link for that? Just want to see it before I decide into carpet One,

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Hi Jamis,

Question there is something about 20% cheaper with the surface is kind of flat do you have a link for that? Just want to see it before I decide into carpet One,

Thanks,
Peter

The carpet we used was Lee's Unanimous (color 'Tuxedo').

The 20% cheaper carpet was a similar pattern but from the Shaw brand (as opposed to Lee's). While it was similar, we could tell a quality and texture difference and liked the Lee's better. I think this is it:

http://www.shawfloors.com/carpetDeta...treet-Blissful

Definitely check both out in person. Our Carpet One dealer had both, so we could compare them side by side.
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I did a totally nerdy thing today and added an index to my first post in this thread.

I'd post a picture, but well... it's easier just to go to page 1.
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You know you are having some serious HT build withdrawals when you start indexing...LOL
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Aren't you supposed to change your sig to brag about your nifty index?
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The carpet we used was Lee's Unanimous (color 'Tuxedo').

The 20% cheaper carpet was a similar pattern but from the Shaw brand (as opposed to Lee's). While it was similar, we could tell a quality and texture difference and liked the Lee's better. I think this is it:

http://www.shawfloors.com/carpetDeta...treet-Blissful

Definitely check both out in person. Our Carpet One dealer had both, so we could compare them side by side.

Thanks a lot for the link I appreciate it, Nice photos with HT. Hopefully the carpetone near us have them both so we can compare them too.

EDIT: The more I look at your HT photos the more I wish I have bigger room for my HT, Mine is only with a closet (A/V rack and media room) of about 2.5' depth so that makes it 13x17.5x8

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Aren't you supposed to change your sig to brag about your nifty index?

Done and done!
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Nerd alert! Nerd alert! Whoop! Whoop! Whoop! Nerd alert! Nerd alert!

Love the signature.

Now you need to change the mostly harmless (which I like BTW) to mostly nerdy.

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Damn..now I have to index.

Advantage Jamis!!!!




Oh no! It's spreading! Stop the insanity (10 points to who ever can name where that saying came from)!!!!!!!

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Susan Powter!

Excellent! 10 points since your first.

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Damn..now I have to index.

Advantage Jamis!!!!

I'll index in a few weeks when I run out of things to do in my HT. Definitely a cool idea.

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But I like insanity...

Really, in that case why don't you go ahead and index mine. Thanks, I appreciate it
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Really, in that case why don't you go ahead and index mine. Thanks, I appreciate it

A true nerd would jump at this offer....We will see just how nerdy jamis really is.

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Nerdy, perhaps... lazy, definitely.

Do you own damn index, slacker.

On a side note, the replacement plexi arrived today intact and my posters are all happy.
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Nerdy, perhaps... lazy, definitely.

Do you own damn index, slacker.

On a side note, the replacement plexi arrived today intact and my posters are all happy.


I read that as "the replacement pixel arrived today". I was about to say.....
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