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I have pictures of fitting the panels around the screen sharing the same supports as the screen. I'm out of the country back in my office Monday.



See post 485


On vacation but still "working". I'm on the beach as we speak but can't shake thinking about the finer details of the build. Thanks Big.
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Final product - I'm really happy with how it all turned out!

Nice looking wall, thanks for the reference.
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I have pictures of fitting the panels around the screen sharing the same supports as the screen. I'm out of the country back in my office Monday.



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So does the screen mount in front of or behind the framing shown in post 485? Is that the White Oaks build?
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The screen mounts on the front surface of the wall frame with z clips on the top edge. Yes that is white oak which was an extreme variation of the minimal screen wall concept.
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Big, you mentioned you use linacoustic on the front wall. Others have used Owens Corning 703/Roxul Comfortboard or Roxul Safe 'n Sound.

Why do you prefer linacoustic? Do you know how that would compare with the OC703?

If anyone else used a different solution, please let me know.
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You may want to review the acoustic treatment thread at the top of the forum to see the flavor of the month for screen walls. It used to be two layers of linacoustic with a layer of poly in between. Things have changed a bit. For myself, I will be using Roxul S&S in between my front studs, then a layer of linacoustic in front. Then I will be layering a wall of speaker cloth in front of that to stop any fibers from floating around. But again, check the acoustic thread unless one of the heavy hitters answers next and fast tracks you some more info.
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Here is my conribution. I used 1" (actually 3/4") FJ pine board. I glued and screwed them together. The middlempiece on the top is 107" wide. It feels really really solid when Itry to shake it or pull down. I am not using any support, we will see if it will sag over time.

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I have pictures of fitting the panels around the screen sharing the same supports as the screen. I'm out of the country back in my office Monday.

See post 485
I'm having trouble envisioning this myself. I understand the goalposts are screwed into the ceiling and floor for support with the cross member between and supported with a center brace screwed into the ceiling. I understand the screen rests on the goalposts about half way. But is there more "framing" on the sides that are screwed into the goal posts and the side walls and then the panels tensioned on top? After looking at post 485, I think I'm more confused. I thought the panels were tensioned into place pressing up against each other, not attached to more framing behind?

I really love the clean minimalistic look this provides, I'm just not sure I have the know how to do it. lol
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you've got the goal posts and then I run a 2x2 on the side walls. That is usually enough to hold everything in place unless you have a really wide screen then some mid span supports of the panels above and below the screen might be required.
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you've got the goal posts and then I run a 2x2 on the side walls. That is usually enough to hold everything in place unless you have a really wide screen then some mid span supports of the panels above and below the screen might be required.
So you have the 2x2 secured to each sidewall running vertically and then you cut the black panels top, bottom and sides to the exact space left between the wall and the screen and then just wedge the panels in tightly? Am I understanding that correctly or am I way off base?
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So you have the 2x2 secured to each sidewall running vertically and then you cut the black panels top, bottom and sides to the exact space left between the wall and the screen and then just wedge the panels in tightly? Am I understanding that correctly or am I way off base?
Pretty sure that's how it's done, at least that's how I'll be doing it in another couple weeks. No need to make it complicated. The panels with AT cloth will be pretty light, they just need a little support in key areas.
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If I on my game they fit snug and no other attachment is required, If I'm off I might need a couple of dabs of velcro to secure the panels. The one below the screen and the two sides are sitting on the stage so you only need enough attachment/friction to keep them from tipping over. The one on the top of the screen sits on the screen and you just need to make sure it stays there.
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Throwing up my minimal wall since this thread helped me. The stage and main supports were built so that the frames would slide behind the soffit and sit flush with the main support structure and stage. There was roughly 1 1/4" between them to slide in the GOM frames.





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Throwing up my minimal wall since this thread helped me. The stage and main supports were built so that the frames would slide behind the soffit and sit flush with the main support structure and stage. There was roughly 1 1/4" between them to slide in the GOM frames.





Looks great. Man, I remember those days years ago when I was building mine. Been enjoying the life out of it ever since. Would love to see how it looks at the end.

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I am going to be building a false wall, and this is perfect for what I am envisioning.

However, mine will be slightly different in I will be mounting a TV, not a screen. Then, I will be mounting a mechanical screen at the top to come down over the TV.

So, the top beam will house the screen. My previous one weighed about 55 lbs for reference, and I'm thinking I want to plan for 75 lbs in weight.

My current TV weighs around 90 lbs.

I'm thinking I need to do more of a traditional frame. Basically, one large rectangle with 4 middle beams which would mount the TV, and the Screen housing.

I've attached two pictures for reference of what I'm envisioning. Let me know if you think it will be strong enough / makes sense.
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This thread is great, but all the photobucket images are broken thanks to their changes to their TOS , does anyone have a work around.
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Really wish I was able to see some of the pictures in this thread, but after a lot of reading there is still one thing I am confused about.

I see lots of pictures of the front of the false wall, but none of the side. I imagine the 'layers' would look something like this:

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FABRIC-WOODFRAME-VELCRO-STUD
- For the sides/top/bottom of the screen and
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SCREEN-STUD
- For the screen itself.

If I'm reading this right the screen will be recessed into the fabric frames, and if the fabric frames aren't precise you'll either have problems with the screen not fitting into the hole, or being too small and showing the black-painted studs off to the sides or bottom (assuming it's mounted to a horizontal top stud). What am I missing here?
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fabric frames around screen frame, scraps of wood on stage as proxy for carpet, be sure to paint the frames. I dry fit the screen then make the frames making sure they fit with an 1/8 to spare for fabric. More pictures in the White Oak Project the screen is still proud of the frames if you use the right size wood. Careful measurement is all you are missing.
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fabric frames around screen frame, scraps of wood on stage as proxy for carpet, be sure to paint the frames. I dry fit the screen then make the frames making sure they fit with an 1/8 to spare for fabric. More pictures in the White Oak Project the screen is still proud of the frames if you use the right size wood. Careful measurement is all you are missing.
BIG, can you elaborate a bit further on the type of wood you used, and the way you attached the fabric? I've looked through the WO project thread, but with so many photos missing, it's hard to find details. I'm in the process of building my screen wall, and just am uncertain of the approach I want to take. I like the look of this approach, but am unclear how the fabric and the frames you show in the photo above, are connected exactly? Did you take all of those frames apart and attach the fabric? Or are there secondary frames that attached to the face of what is shown in the photo above?

Thanks for any insight you can offer...and for all the help you offer across the forum! So frustrating that so many photos are now gone.
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The picture shows 4 separate frames, Left/Right/Above and Below. They are not attached to anything and can be removed in under 5 minutes. If you measure carefully they can be friction fit and stay in place naturally. If not small dabs of velcro hold them in place. You wrap the fabric around the frames and staple on the back edge. The false wall framing provides a backstop to keep the frames in plumb position, the stage, screen and gravity hold them in place vertically.

Someone saved some pictures of the wood I use in this thread:
Looking for AT screen and front stage build threads

I rip the 3 1/2 inch wide boards in half for the fabric frames.

another picture of frames, mid fabrication, this theater had no false wall. More pictures in staggered wall thread. The frames are just resting in place against the front wall. The left panel isn't positioned yet.

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The picture shows 4 separate frames, Left/Right/Above and Below. They are not attached to anything and can be removed in under 5 minutes. If you measure carefully they can be friction fit and stay in place naturally. If not small dabs of velcro hold them in place. You wrap the fabric around the frames and staple on the back edge. The false wall framing provides a backstop to keep the frames in plumb position, the stage, screen and gravity hold them in place vertically.

Someone saved some pictures of the wood I use in this thread:
Looking for AT screen and front stage build threads

I rip the 3 1/2 inch wide boards in half for the fabric frames.

another picture of frames, mid fabrication, this theater had no false wall. More pictures in staggered wall thread. The frames are just resting in place against the front wall. The left panel isn't positioned yet.

Hey Big. Thanks for the the details! Very helpful for me as I prepare to build my screen wall. One final question...do you have any photos of the framing you created for either of those designs, or others, that the panels "rest" against and the screen actually mounts too? Is the framing behind the panels? Or between the panels? Just trying to understand that foundational piece of the puzzle.

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Has anyone built a wall that is on top of carpet? I want to be able to remove the wall if I need to make changes down the road without having to reinstall all new carpet.

could you get away with just hanging it from the ceiling? (I won't be having a stage just a flat floor in a basement.

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Just want to thank everyone in this thread (especially BIG) for the designs. I flat out ripped off Big's design for my screen and it came out great so many, many thanks. I couldn't find finger-jointed pine in my local Home Depot (too lazy to go to the local lumber yard the next town over that probably has it) so I bought 1x4" poplar boards, and glued three of them together with wood glue for each of the side posts. I used poplar because it supposedly doesn't have problems warping. They were very easy to make. For the cross beam, I used a piece of poplar for the front with a douglas fir 2x4 behind it for stability. My wall was mid joist so I used some 2x4s to attach to the joists. I don't have a stage and wanted everything done on top of the carpet in case for some reason the theater ever needed to come down or the wall needed to be moved. I just screwed down through the carpet into the subfloor. Painted everything black with leftover Ben Moore paint from the ceiling. My screen is a Seymour Premier 115" screen with UF. Now I just need to build my fabric panels and my wall is done.





It looks like your room is completely finished behind that screen wall with your frame sitting on top the carpet. Did you just screw through your carpet or is it just a tight fit that's holding it in place and screwed to the ceiling?
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Has anyone built a wall that is on top of carpet? I want to be able to remove the wall if I need to make changes down the road without having to reinstall all new carpet.

could you get away with just hanging it from the ceiling? (I won't be having a stage just a flat floor in a basement.

thanks
I'm curious to this as well

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You could hang a screen wall from the ceiling but you need to do something to keep it perfectly vertical. I can think of half dozen ways to do that.
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Has anyone built a wall that is on top of carpet? I want to be able to remove the wall if I need to make changes down the road without having to reinstall all new carpet.



could you get away with just hanging it from the ceiling? (I won't be having a stage just a flat floor in a basement.



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Mine is on carpet that is on a concrete slab. I attached to overhead joists and made sure it was a tight fit against the floor. I also ended up running a could of horizontal boards from my uprights to the back wall just to make sure it would stay vertical and not move at the floor portion.

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So here is a layout of my wall withj the windows that's totally messing up my wall plans. Which of these 3 layouts would be the easiest? It's so frustrating

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