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I was looking to pick up a Mitsu HC3800, but now considering waiting till the 3D LCD TVs are out or possibly 3D 1080 projectors if they are reasonably priced.

What's your thoughts? New 65" 3D LCD TV in a few months or Mitsu HC3800 Projector?
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You don't want some tiny LCD direct view screen right?

The choice is easy... Projector.
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You really expect to see the LCD TV recommended in the Digital Projector forum?
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so far my brother in law and two friends now after owning lcd's and plasma's are planning or have purchased projectors for their homes.
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I would wait on 3D. It will be years most likely before that whole industry really shakes out. It could even flop. Grab the PJ and wait and see what happens with 3D.
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I would wait on 3D. It will be years most likely before that whole industry really shakes out. It could even flop. Grab the PJ and wait and see what happens with 3D.

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Do a little simple research and you will know without doubt that 3D is the next big evolution to visual entertainment.

With due respect, anyone who doubts that will be doomed to living in video flat land with obsolete equipment.

ALL of the biggest players in TV content production including sports giants like ESPN, Sony and DirecTV are fully invested in 3D. The NFL has already broadcast trial games in 3D which were very well received and the NCAA is getting into it at the college level.

ALL of the biggest players in movie content production are fully invested in 3D and hundreds of commercial theaters have already invested and upgraded their equipment and the totals will be in the thousands this year going into next year.

Why? 2D simply cannot compare with 3D just like silent movies couldn't compete with "talkies" and B&W couldn't compete with color.

All this said it is also true that this year 3D content will be a trickle but the trickle will grow into a flood end of 2010 and specially in 2011.

Home/Consumer projector manufacturers seem to be lagging behind television manufacturers in bringing 3D models to the market place BUT make no mistake!!! - Most ALL of the 2010 TV display models that will hit stores soon will be 3D ready and projector makers will have to follow the trend.

In our house, we have already bought a 3D equipped television - I accidentally fried our tv big screen with a man-made power surge. I will probably buy the XpanD compatible wireless package with two sets of shutter glasses to check it all out.

However, re our projector we are quite happy to continue to use our excellent Panasonic non-3D machine while PJ makers catch up with the 3D realities of the market and we hope that by 2011 there will be 3D projectors available at consumer affordable price points to cause us to upgrade.

3D catch on????? Just go and watch Avatar 3D and if don't think this incredible video entertainment upgrade won't catch on you are waaaaay out of step with your eyeballs - 2D flat land is obsolete land.
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I'd buy the projector. It would drive me up the wall to have to wear glasses anytime I wanted to watch anything.
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I'd buy the projector. It would drive me up the wall to have to wear glasses anytime I wanted to watch anything.

I know nothing about the technology, but your right. Unless they can figure out how to do it without glasses, it will be wayyyyyyy to much of a PITA for me to submit to it.
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why not plasma?

And is wearing glasses really a huge drawback?

how light controlled is your room going to be?


flat-panels are "easier" then projectors.
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I don't see why you shouldn't wait for a 3D projector. The experience of a PJ to a flascreen is totally different, even one that's 65" in size. There really is no comparison in terms of the movie viewing experience. With a PJ, you get the feeling of actually seeing how the movie was intended to be seen, on the "big screen". I have 3 flatscreens for TV use, and they're great, but I never get the satisfaction of watching a movie on the flatscreen as I do on the PJ. Of course there are other considerations such as lighting, daytime watching, etc., but it seems you were set for a PJ anyway so if it's about 3D, then I would wait for a 3D PJ model.
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Is anybody else tired of all the 3D posts!

3D will be the Wii of 2010... it's a neat gimmick until the novelty wears off . Anybody that believes all this 3D/HDMI stuff will be sorted out this year has been drinking some 3D kool-aid. Don't expect to have an 'Avatar' experience in your home any time soon.

No offense to the OP as this is exciting stuff but don't count on all the issues being sorted along with a generous supply of content, it's not going to happen this year. Besides that even IF home 3D does take off by the time they get it down there will be better displays/projectors available than what we will be drooling to buy this year .

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Is anybody else tired of all the 3D posts!

3D will be the Wii of 2010... it's a neat gimmick until the novelty wears off . Anybody that believes all this 3D/HDMI stuff will be sorted out this year has been drinking some 3D kool-aid. Don't expect to have an 'Avatar' experience in your home any time soon.

No offense to the OP as this is exciting stuff but don't count on all the issues being sorted along with a generous supply of content, it's not going to happen this year. Besides that even IF home 3D does take off by the time they get it down there will be better displays/projectors available than what we will be drooling to buy this year .

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+1 to everything you said here.

There should almost be a "Should I buy X now, or wait for 3D" catagory on AVS.
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I used to wear glasses when I was a kid and sure as heck don't want to relive those days, even if they are 3D glasses. Now if they made 3D contact lenses then I am in.
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I plan on attaining 3D early on. I have a kick butt sound system I built up but no display to match (32" LCD from 5 years ago).

First recent 3D movie I saw was Bolt. After the first few minutes, I never wanted to go back to 2D, especially for games. It was just that awesome. I guess my main concern was just the noticable blur of fast movements, but other then that, what an experience! To bad project makers are slacking on 3D, although it looks like it's right around the corner.
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3D catch on????? Just go and watch Avatar 3D and if don't think this incredible video entertainment upgrade won't catch on you are waaaaay out of step with your eyeballs - 2D flat land is obsolete land.
GoodLuck

I went and was not blown away by Avatar 3D at all.. Lots of hype and it does not live up to it at all in my opinion. I'm still calling FAD, the industry just may lose it shorts on this direction. My views on this are disturbing because I am one that is seriously considering moving to 3D in my theater. More so than anybody else I know.
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There's no better company to push a technology than Disney. They have been using RealD 3D for years and millions of people have been exposed to it. Yet, the vast majority of cinema houses still don't have it implemented and no serious, Oscar contending movies have been made in 3D, much less anything beyond children and saturday matinee type films. Cameron is in love with himself and Avatar was another way for his fans to worship him but beyond that, 3D is nothing more than a fad.

Now, when ESPN starts showing sports in 3D regularly and people stampede the stores for 3D equipment, you can start to believe it is more than a fad. I have my doubts about how 3D sports will be received by Joe SixPack.

In our own little niche groups we tend to believe things are much more popular than they really are. There's barely enough interest in regular PJs to keep companies spending money to bring better models to us year after year.
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... and no serious, Oscar contending movies have been made in 3D, much less anything beyond children and saturday matinee type films...

Another odd posting. Avatar is a Oscar contending movie and it is intended to be serious adult fare. When someone gets the facts this wrong about the present it casts some doubt about their predictions of the future.

3D may of course be just a fad - but I don't think so. Personally I started working on converting my HT to 3D last Saturday. It will take some time but I plan to be ready for the next Super Bowl which I fully expect to be broadcast in 3D.

As to the original question, I would get the projector. Direct view TVs are just too small. I have an average size HT screen - eight feet wide and four and a half feet tall. That's 110". Most of the time when I watch either a Blu-ray movie or a Comcast HD broadcast, the screen is filled. But sometimes I watch an SD 4:3 broadcast. Here the picture is only six feet wide rather than the normal eight. It seems too small - knda cramped. Watching a TV that is only 65" is not something I would care to do.
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I went and was not blown away by Avatar 3D at all.. Lots of hype and it does not live up to it at all in my opinion. I'm still calling FAD, the industry just may lose it shorts on this direction. My views on this are disturbing because I am one that is seriously considering moving to 3D in my theater. More so than anybody else I know.

I don't know how anyone could not be blown away by this film.

I have waited over 40 years to see this kind of spectacular 3D done with real actors & could not be more excited about the future of the new 3D.
Nothing ever done before comes close to the what we have seen in Avatar!

I have a great projector now, but have been ruined forever on 2D since seeing this great film.

But, reality is that it will be at least 5-10 years before the general public will have enough sources to be usable. Just look at HDTV to see how many years that has taken!

So for now, get the projector, since you have a number of years to go before the new 3D will be worth spending any money on.
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I know those serious about obtaining home 3D don't want to hear any other negatives, but...

It's going to be interesting to hear back from all these people jumping on home 3D gear without having even tried it first due to no home content. For some it's going to be a real expensive lesson taught once they realize they suffer headaches from it (which is actually fairly common). I would highly recommend to at least wait and try it out first, more than likely Best Buy (etc.) will have 3D demos running as soon as all of the gear is here and functional. Don't assume all the HOME 3D will be the same as the THEATER 3D systems.

Just something else to keep in mind .

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It is one thing to go to the movies and occasionally watch 3D content on the big screen. Typically at 2 hours a pop. It is quite another to sit and watch a 3+ hour sporting event in 3D.

Of course the CE's are pushing this. We are in a global recession and HDTV prices (as well as Blu-Ray) plummeted probably too fast for the CE's liking. They want to push 3D so they can make more money (the glasses alone are very expensive). Studios and cable/sat providers can charge you more money for 3D channels.

I still think it is very possible that 3D could flop. For it not to flop, they need to get lots of content that people actually want to watch in 3D, and they need to get the prices way down within a few short years.
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I don't think people will be willing to pay for the version with the $100 shutter glasses, but if they can get the RealD polorized glasses for a couple of bucks and have little to no eyestrain or headaches then they will be successful at some point.

Looks like many of the tv/projector mfgs have made an agreement to produce sets with this capability since the success of Avatar. Only time will tell.
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People wear glasses all day long......... what makes these 3d glasses so painful and annoying?
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It's not wearing the glasses that's the issue, its the tech behind them that can cause headaches and other issues (eye strain, nausea, etc.). Which is not meant to imply that everyone will experience these issues.

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It's actually wearing the glasses that bothers me. If they can ever do 3d to where I don't have to wear anything on my head, I'd enjoy that. As I'm browsing right now, I'm watching Family Guy too. I'd hate to have to keep taking them off and putting them on as I look back and forth.
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I used to wear glasses when I was a kid and sure as heck don't want to relive those days, even if they are 3D glasses. Now if they made 3D contact lenses then I am in.

you're in.

http://www.televisions.com/tv-news/N...act-lenses.php

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I wonder what he'd think about 3D IMAX?
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I don't know how anyone could not be blown away by this film.

I have waited over 40 years to see this kind of spectacular 3D done with real actors & could not be more excited about the future of the new 3D.
Nothing ever done before comes close to the what we have seen in Avatar!

I have a great projector now, but have been ruined forever on 2D since seeing this great film.

I saw the 2D version first (wife was worried about getting sick), and then saw IMAX 3D a few days later out of interest in the 3D alone... The 3D is nice, but not perfect. I noticed crosstalk whenever I turned my head a bit, and the glasses were very uncomfortable... this could obviously be solved by a more comfortable pair of shutter glasses (vs the polarized tech), but at $150+ per pair, it is hardly a reasonably priced option for most people/families. I will NOT purchase a 3D plasma or LCD even though I love the simplicity of them for everyday viewing in the family room. After owning a PJ, some decent flat panels and seeing avatar in 2D and 3D, I truly believe 3D needs a BIG screen... gotta hit those THX viewing angles for 3D to look right (at least for movies). Shutter glasses are a requirement to eliminate the crosstalk, and I'd want at least 6 pair for the family and a couple of friends (and probably a spare with kids). So... I do not see any sense in buying in at this stage... did that in 2002 with HDTV... complete waste for the first few years and paid a premium price. I will wait until the content is there, the specs/tech are stable, and reasonably priced 1080p 3D projectors are widely available. until then, a panny plasma and my Infocus X10 will do just fine.

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I wonder what he'd think about 3D IMAX?
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It's not wearing the glasses that's the issue, its the tech behind them that can cause headaches and other issues (eye strain, nausea, etc.). Which is not meant to imply that everyone will experience these issues.

Jason

What causes the headaches?
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What causes the headaches?

doesn't have to be 3D to cause headaches or motion sickness, but it certainly helps.
Many people are sensitive to inconsistent motion and visual cues (eyes see one thing, ears feel another)... the more immersive the environment, the more confused the brain tends to get if there is a mismatch. I am not one to get motion sick (love roller coasters, windy & hilly roads, etc.) but feel sick real quick in a level D aircraft simulator running fixed base (high fidelity with the motion turned off). different people are sensitive to different things.

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I wonder what he'd think about 3D IMAX?
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I saw the 2D version first (wife was worried about getting sick), and then saw IMAX 3D a few days later out of interest in the 3D alone... The 3D is nice, but not perfect. I noticed crosstalk whenever I turned my head a bit, and the glasses were very uncomfortable... ...

I saw Avatar in IMAX 3D and also in RealD 3D, but only saw that crosstalk when I tilted my head in the IMAX theater. The RealD system uses circular polarization to eliminate that problem - no matter how far you tilt your head, each eye gets only the video meant for it.

I noticed no difference in resolution or frame rate.
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