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Has anyone actually seen a Mits or Samsung display a 3d image? Who sells the converter?
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Has anyone actually seen a Mits or Samsung display a 3d image? Who sells the converter?

one of our members has purchased a samsung 3d blue ray player and posted it supports checkerboard.one hurdle has been overcome for samsung dlp owners.know for reasonably priced glasses.
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one of our members has purchased a samsung 3d blue ray player and posted it supports checkerboard.one hurdle has been overcome for samsung dlp owners.know for reasonably priced glasses.

Interesting. Is there a thread about this? I own one of the Samsung plasmas that are 3D ready, but my Plasma will only work in 3D if fed a 1360 x 768 resolution. I wonder if Samsung will take care of their own, and offer some type of internal scaler in that player that will output a 1360 x 768 resolution to throw the owners of the PN50A450 a bone.
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Interesting. Is there a thread about this? I own one of the Samsung plasmas that are 3D ready, but my Plasma will only work in 3D if fed a 1360 x 768 resolution. I wonder if Samsung will take care of their own, and offer some type of internal scaler in that player that will output a 1360 x 768 resolution to throw the owners of the PN50A450 a bone.

sicktwistedfreak has purchased one of these blueray players and i asked him to post back after he had time to try it if it did checkerboard and he replied back it did.as for working on your set and what model player he has i don't know.i am not sure what type of 3d set he owns
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From sicktwistefreek's post it was not clear to me if had purchased a Samsung C7000 3D TV, a Misubishi 3D capable TV or a 3D blu-ray player sinde his response to one query was yes it received checkerbox 3D. Since there has been no indication of the Samsung 3D blu-ray player beinng available anywhere yet IMHO he does not have one. One the 10th when they do become available we will find out what it's capabilites are.
I suspect that it will support checkerbox output which is not required by the Blu-ray spec since their new 3D C7000 TV suportts checkerbox input which is not requried by the HDMI 1.4 spec
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I'm currently using the 3D mode with my Samsung DLP.

Currently testing 3D with Sammy DLP, shutter glasses, and HTPC
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There was a company at CES that was showing 3D on a Mits (73737, I believe). They were promoting their glasses, IIRC.

So yes, I've seen 3D on a Mits.

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There was a company at CES that was showing 3D on a Mits (73737, I believe). They were promoting their glasses, IIRC.

So yes, I've seen 3D on a Mits.

This company?

Bit Cauldron has standard 3D Glasses

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/01/...rd-3d-glasses/
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This company?

Bit Cauldron has standard 3D Glasses

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/01/...rd-3d-glasses/

I believe Mits has teamed up with Xpand for their glasses.

Currently testing 3D with Sammy DLP, shutter glasses, and HTPC
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I just got my 73" 73c9 recently... tried the 3d with my PC hooked up to try some games.... some look better than others, but my eyes started to hurt after a bit....

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I went to Vanns in Billings, Montana recently and got a great demonstration of a large screen Mitsubishi Diamond series with the 3D glasses. I have to admit I was impressed. My wife and I sat there for a good 30 minutes and got an eyeful of 3D entertainment on a Blu-ray disc put out by Mitsubishi. I can't afford the setup the way they had it, it was over $7,000. I'm sure the TV was larger than 65 inches, but I don't know the model number. I'm sold on the potential for 3D now. I just need for it to come under $5,000 for something similar for me to consider it.
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Mits 65737, hoping the Ps3 and TV will be able to deliver, i bragged to my cousin about just watching Avatar at homeI hate theaters.

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Guess I'm gonna havta drag my 3D Vision equipped PC over to my 65C9. I've been dying to try it out but hate moving my server tower size computer.
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Guess I'm gonna havta drag my 3D Vision equipped PC over to my 65C9. I've been dying to try it out but hate moving my server tower size computer.

Longer cables and wireless keyboard/mouse are all you need. Leave the tower where it's at.

Currently testing 3D with Sammy DLP, shutter glasses, and HTPC
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The Mitsubishi 3D truck was here last weekend. They had an 80 or so inch going with some 3d loops on a PC. It was a little jumpy but the 3d effect was very good.
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I have the Mits 837 82in which is 3-D ready. I watched a demo at the store and wife and I thought it was pretty awsome. I don't have glasses yet so don't know how it will work in the home.

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I have the Sammy A750 DLP and have been using the Samsung SSG-1000 glasses with emitter. I use my laptop and the Avatar game on the 360 for content. Very cool stuff. I am in Ohio right now for work and I saw the new Samsung 3d kits. I don't know if it uses an IR emitter or not. The demo they have setup the glasses are plugged in by USB. I looked up the part number on Samsungs site, it is not listed. I also spoke to Samsung directly last night and they have nothing in their resources about it. So we'll just wait and see.

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I saw the new Samsung 3d kits.

Can you share the part no. on these new kits? pictures and mode details would be great. Thanks!
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No problem. The battery powered single pairs w/o emitter are the SSG-2100AB, the rechargeable glasses w/o emitter are SSG-2200AR, and the kit comes with 2 battery powered glasses, Monster vs Aliens are SSG-2100T. However nowhere does it say if the kit comes with an emitter or not. Hopefully someone can confirm this. But there you have, Samsungs line of 3d eye wear.

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No problem. The battery powered single pairs w/o emitter are the SSG-2100AB, the rechargeable glasses w/o emitter are SSG-2200AR, and the kit comes with 2 battery powered glasses, Monster vs Aliens are SSG-2100T. However nowhere does it say if the kit comes with an emitter or not. Hopefully someone can confirm this. But there you have, Samsungs line of 3d eye wear.

Cheers

Right now, I don't believe the bundle comes with an emitter, because the new Samsung displays have the emitter built into the display. It's possible that Samsung may sell an external emitter separately later.

Currently testing 3D with Sammy DLP, shutter glasses, and HTPC
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Right now, I don't believe the bundle comes with an emitter, because the new Samsung displays have the emitter built into the display. It's possible that Samsung may sell an external emitter separately later.

That is Sony's plan. Some sets come with the emitter built in while others , the emitter is seperate and has to be purchased:

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The BRAVIA XBR-52LX900, which is currently on display at Sony Style, offers integrated 3D functionality with Sony's 3D active shutter glasses and built-in 3D transmitter, while the HX900 and HX800-series are 3D capable using Sony 3D active shutter glasses and 3D transmitter (each sold separately).

http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_ro...ase/56605.html
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I have the Sammy A750 DLP and have been using the Samsung SSG-1000 glasses with emitter. I use my laptop and the Avatar game on the 360 for content. Very cool stuff. I am in Ohio right now for work and I saw the new Samsung 3d kits. I don't know if it uses an IR emitter or not. The demo they have setup the glasses are plugged in by USB. I looked up the part number on Samsungs site, it is not listed. I also spoke to Samsung directly last night and they have nothing in their resources about it. So we'll just wait and see.

Cheers

Joel, do you notice a drop in resolution when you are in 3D mode? If so, much of a drop? Does the 3D with its checkerboard implementation look good on it like the LCDs we're seeing in the stores?

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I am glad you asked Ron. My experience with 3d on my DLP have been very promising and continually wows any and everyone who comes over to see it. I use the Xbox 360 and Avatar video game along with 2d>3d conversion of DVDs with my laptop using the Tri Def software that was bundled with my glasses. I use the Samsung SSG-1000 active shutter glasses and they may not even be the best to use. I will have more of a comparison when I get the Xpand X102s. Can't wait.

Now as far as loss in resolution, I really don't notice the difference. I mean the image was a little soft due to the fact that I use a a calibrated mode that may be geared towards movie watching than playing video games. So the softness is quickly remedied by increasing the sharpness from 20 to 60. Poof, the image is crisp and sharp as it would be without the 3d mode enabled.

Now I experimented with the in game 3d controls a bit which and by pumping up the gamma, contrast, and 3d effect, you can add more dynamic pop to the image. Also you can set the limits by inputing your screen size and distance you are sitting from the display. I took it another step further and switched to entertainment mode on my display and set it to game. That setting there is more akin to what I have seen at the demo in Best Buy.

Ron really the only drop in quality that I have seen is in image brightness. That is the nature of 3d with active shutter glasses. I feel that it is a necessary evil as it is easier on the eyes and allows for prolonged viewing. But if it is not bright enough rest assured it can be made brighter if one is inclined by toggling the settings.

Ok onto my viewings of 2d>3d conversion of DVDs. This is not as much of revelation as it was with the Avatar video game. The conversion can be quite spectacular with certain material. If I really want to wow my guests to whom I am demoing the setup to, I pop in Star Wars Episode 3 and cue to the final lightsaber duel. The effect works real well, where the blades come off the screen and whiz by your face. Absolutely amazing. Of course this was achieved not easily at first. I had to manually make adjustments to the software control panel to find a nice middle ground so the rest of the movie is watchable and not grossly exaggerated. I also think that this sets a good watermark to really showcase that 3d will not work for everything. Pop in a movie like Steel Magnolias for the wifey and 3d does a whole lot of nothing for the experience.

I have also experimented with Google Earth in 3d as well. This can be an amazing experience at times when the Google software is functioning properly and an absolute disaster when not. Your mileage may vary with this one.

So in total Ron I am quite happy with the 3d feature on my inferior DLP. I think the resolution is fine and I look forward to getting some more content for further testing and enjoyment. After seeing the demo at Best Buy, I realize I am very lucky to have this feature. Couple that with the 67" screen size I am actually ahead. While I may not get 1080p per eye, having seen both techs I am hard pressed to see the difference. I mean most people on here will say that you can't even reap the benefits of 1080p on a tv like you could with a projector, so I would imagine the same applys to 3d.
Hope this was insightful.

Now I will wait to get blasted by tech and spec folks about how wrong I am.

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i have a 3d dlp also and you make them sound quite good for 3d.are you planning to purchase the mits converter or just staying with computer generated 3d thanks.
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Joel, thanks for your detailed response. It is sounding better and better for us with the legacy 3D DLP sets as the gear rolls out. That's incredible you don't seem to be noticing much if any resolution hit. Or can tweak in your settings to overcome it pretty much. One thought out of curiosity regarding the brightness in 3D mode with your LED Sammy (same as mine) where do you normally have the setting for the LED backlight itself? Lower or middle or high? If anything other than the highest setting that would seem to be an option too.

Wow, with the distance we watch our 61" set from, and remembering how damn good that smaller Samsung 3D LCD set looked at Frys a couple nights ago, I can just imagine on my larger display, even if there is a bit of apparent rez hit.
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I agree with Joel, my experiences with my 61" Sammy is the same. You have to crank up the brightness just a tad to overcome the shutter glasses, but there is still plenty of detail.

I've said it a few times on this forum, even though it's half-resolution, once the video is in motion, you really can't tell.

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I actually have mine on Minimum so like I said the settings can be tweaked to your liking. I really feel with this Samsung I hit a grand slam and being able to do 3d is a big plus. Some of us really lucked out. Sweet, man, sweet...
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I almost bought one of the Samsung LED DLP sets a couple of years ago. I'm kicking myself now for not doing it.

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I hear you Joseph. I almost bought the 73" Mitsubishi because the specs on it were better. Ultimately I went with the Samsung because it had the LED as opposed to the lamp technology in the Mitsubishi. The 3d feature on either set was an after thought.

I just got back home and I have been putting my set thru some tests to see if I can replicate what I saw with the 3d Panasonic Plasma. This is difficult to accomplish due to the fact I am not using a 3d blu ray player and the content I use is 2d converted to 3d. I guess the real burning question with legacy DLP owners is, how will it stack up against the newer 3d display technologies? Based on my tests which is in no way scientific but purely subjective, I believe that 3d HD content will look outright spectacular on our sets. I downloaded a bunch of blu ray screen caps from Bluray.com and played them thru the 3d media player. They looked every bit as clear, crisp and detailed in 3d as it would in 2d. I am not seeing a loss in resolution at all and it should not be due to the loss of resolution from the way these sets display 3d. And I am all the more confident in saying this in part that the 3d software I use may not be all that good to begin with and not to mention the glasses I am using may not be that good either.

So now it is just a matter of waiting. Waiting for the Mitsubishi converter, a 3d player, and 3d content. I am pretty stoked right now.

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I have played Avatar in 3D for over 70 hours on my Mitsubishi 82" with Xbox360. The 3D is amazing and I don't think you can get that experience on the new smaller 3D sets. Can't wait for 3D BR movies on updated PS3 with new Mitsubishi convertor.
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