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TC-P65VT25 - $4,299.95 - June 2010

I like your MSRP better, but that date kills me!!
That best buy guy yesterday had me believing it would be out within a week or so.
But I guess his date and price were wrong
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TC-P65VT25 - $4,299.95 - June 2010

I like your MSRP better, but that date kills me!!
That best buy guy yesterday had me believing it would be out within a week or so.
But I guess his date and price were wrong

Were you the one who said the 65" would be SRP $4700?

LOL! You actually believed a Blue Shirt?
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That was me.............

LOL - and I thought at $4700, that was a good price. So now - for the same price you get the 65" and the BDT300 3D BD player.
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Thanks for this thread, Lee.

I have a Mits 2009. Looking at the manual, it seems to suggest that an IR emitter is required for 3D, and is not included. Looking at XpanD's website, danged if I can tell if the glasses come with an emitter. I would assume "no", or they'd call it out.

Do you have any insight on this? Perhaps the 3DC-1000 will come with an emitter?

Edit: Ahh, now I see the MDEA FAQ upstream. It's still not entirely clear tho. One answer states their "starter pack" comes with an emitter. Another answer suggests you don't need an emitter for DLP-link glasses (like the XpanD), just for non-DLP-link glasses. So, if one answer or the other isn't just plain wrong, that suggests whatever is in their "starter pack" aren't DLP-link glasses, and thus require the emitter.

Presumably, however, they need to sell the 3DC-1000, and emitters, (each) unbundled as well?
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I have a Mits 2009. Looking at the manual, it seems to suggest that an IR emitter is required for 3D, and is not included. Looking at XpanD's website, danged if I can tell if the glasses come with an emitter. I would assume "no", or they'd call it out.

Do you have any insight on this? Perhaps the 3DC-1000 will come with an emitter?

If you get DLP-LINK glasses, like the XpanD X102, you don't need an emitter, even though the manual said you do. Other glasses, like the XpanD X101, require a compatible emitter to work, and you need to make sure you are buying the emitter along with the glasses.

Mits is releasing a 3D "starter pack" which includes the 3DC-1000, 2 pairs of glasses, an emitter, and a Disney 3D showcase disc. Which glasses are going to be included is not known.

I'm going to wait until I hear about pricing, availability and details of both the starter pack and the 3DC-1000 by itself before I buy glasses. If I were going to buy now, the X102's seem to be the best choice currently, if you can find them in stock.
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Thanks.

The other thing I'm trying to figure out is if 3D really requires a HDMI 1.4 AVR, if all it is doing is switching (and not trying to upscale as well), or whether a non-upscaling 1.3 AVR will just pass it through okay. A lot of people seem to be insisting that a 1.4 AVR will be required, but I'm still from Missouri on that when there are various indicators (including Mits FAQ) that 1.3 cables will work.

I'm not inclined to make a final acceptance of an answer on that (tho opinions always welcome) until someone hooks up an actual 3DC-1000 to a HDMI 1.3 non-upscaling AVR and confirms "not so much".
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Thanks.

The other thing I'm trying to figure out is if 3D really requires a HDMI 1.4 AVR, if all it is doing is switching (and not trying to upscale as well), or whether a non-upscaling 1.3 AVR will just pass it through okay. A lot of people seem to be insisting that a 1.4 AVR will be required, but I'm still from Missouri on that when there are various indicators (including Mits FAQ) that 1.3 cables will work.

I'm not inclined to make a final acceptance of an answer on that (tho opinions always welcome) until someone hooks up an actual 3DC-1000 to a HDMI 1.3 non-upscaling AVR and confirms "not so much".

I want the answer regarding the HDMI 1.3 A/V Receivers as well.
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The other thing I'm trying to figure out is if 3D really requires a HDMI 1.4 AVR, if all it is doing is switching (and not trying to upscale as well), or whether a non-upscaling 1.3 AVR will just pass it through okay.

If you talk about Frame Packing (Blu-ray 3D), according to what we know today, a HDMI 1.4 AVR will be required. A HDMI 1.3 AVR won't be able not only to switch or upscale the video signal, but not even to extract the audio from it. It would be mute.

If you talk about broadcast 3D using a frame compatible format (Side-by-Side half, for example) it is another pair of shoes and it should work fine.

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A lot of people seem to be insisting that a 1.4 AVR will be required, but I'm still from Missouri on that when there are various indicators (including Mits FAQ) that 1.3 cables will work.

Both sentences are true. A "3D over HDMI" HDMI chip (1.4 or 1.3 "upgraded") is required, but a "High Speed" cable (the classical HDMI 1.3 1080p@60Hz high quality cable) is sufficient. The bandwidth for blu-ray 3D 1920x2205@24Hz is the same as 2D 1080p@60Hz (i.e. 148.5 MHz) and the bandwidth for broadcast 3D is even less.
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If you talk about Frame Packing (Blu-ray 3D), according to what we know today, a HDMI 1.4 AVR will be required. A HDMI 1.3 AVR won't be able not only to switch or upscale the video signal, but not even to extract the audio from it. It would be mute.

Ahhhh. So it's not just can it pass video signal to the display (which seemed odd to me why that would be impacted), it is also can the AVR do its primary job of making audio. Okay, that makes more sense to me; thanks.

Tho I still think I'll sit and wait a bit for actual experience as reported by AVS forum members. I'm a very practical guy that way on testing theory vs experience before spending my money. Had/seen a lot of experience of "not supported" not meaning "won't work".
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Tho I still think I'll sit and wait a bit for actual experience as reported by AVS forum members. I'm a very practical guy that way on testing theory vs experience before spending my money. Had/seen a lot of experience of "not supported" not meaning "won't work".

I agree. Remarks above come from what we know today in theory. They are just a warning saying people to at least wait for a proof of how things really work before buying something.
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Hello this is my first in a forum , and I would like to know what to buy for my next screen , should I go with :
samsung c8000 or c9000 .
or LG LX9500 .
I've studied all of them and I'm still confused .
Help please .
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Hello this is my first in a forum , and I would like to know what to buy for my next screen , should I go with :
samsung c8000 or c9000 .
or LG LX9500 .
I've studied all of them and I'm still confused .
Help please .

Not sure why you are not even considering the Panasonic Plasma 3D TV which has been voted #1 in all the tests to date for 3D TVs, but as between the Samsung and LG products you identify, a big difference appears to be only 200 Hz for the Samsung and 400+ Hz for the LG. Although of little relevance to 3D viewing, gotta believe that the motion processing for 2D action viewing and fast movement has to be out of this world on the LG since even with 200Hz a Samsung was given a rave review as linked below in the review from Australia.

http://smarthouse.com.au/Reviews/TVs...splay/A3V9U7T7
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I found Samsung SSG1000s online, but they're in the UK. Is there any risk of importing them to the US, as far as frame rate compatibility goes? Or does the sync emitter take care of that?
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I noticed something interesting in the description of the Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 starter kit on some sites. For the glasses they say the battery type is CR2025. On the Xpand site the battery type for the X103 is listed as CR2032 and the battery type for the X102 is proprietary (you buy them from Xpand). So could it be that the glasses in the 3DC-1000 are X103s since the battery type indicates its replaceable? Maybe the battery type is just wrong?
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Not sure why you are not even considering the Panasonic Plasma 3D TV which has been voted #1 in all the tests to date for 3D TVs...

Maybe because of the big problems reported by many owners of Panasonic Plasmas?:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1236475
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1167339
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Maybe because of the big problems reported by many owners of Panasonic Plasmas?:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1236475
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1167339

Neither of those models are the VT20 or VT25 series (3DTVs) which differ from all other Panasonic 2010 PDPs with their brand new fast decay phosphors.
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NOTE: DLP RPTV's use the Checkerboard 3D format so resolution will be Half HD per eye instead of Full HD per eye.


So you're telling me that with a 1080p 3d dlp tv, you're only seeing 540p resolution in each eye? I knew the refresh rate was halved, but not the resolution. So then with the LED 3d tv's, yours still seing 1080p in each eye? how does that work?

also, If you're only seeing 540p in each eye, is there going to be a noticable drop in quality? or will your brain "recombine" them and you'll still see in 1080p? If i'm not mistaken, that is how 3d works right? (simply put) 2 seperate images, but when viewing with the shutter glasses your brain recombines them into 1 3d image


and btw...anyone else heard anything about using 3dtv+shutter glasses for multiplayer gaming, both players wear shutter glasses, still see in 2d, but each person sees a different image on the same screen, so no split screens???
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If your input to a DLP is 1080p 3d, you will see 1080p 3d. http://dlp.com/downloads/DLP%203D%20...Technology.pdf
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Monster Unveils Universal 3D Glasses, Clarity HD Line

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Monster's first 3D glasses, Monstervision Max 3D, are compatible with any brand 3D TV and boast built-in RF technology to avoid the common problem of IR interference that can plague existing active-shutter glasses. The RF transmitter allows for the system to expand to be paired with thousands of Monstervision brand glasses, Lee said.

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The glasses are expected to ship in August. A bundle of one pair with RF transmitter will have a suggested retail price of $249, with extra glasses available for $169 each and an extra transmitter for $59.95.

Lee said an expanded line of Monstervision glasses, in various colors and styles "designed by some of the most famous designers in the eyewear industry," will become available later this year.

http://www.twice.com/article/454097-...ty_HD_Line.php
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If your input to a DLP is 1080p 3d, you will see 1080p 3d. http://dlp.com/downloads/DLP%203D%20...Technology.pdf

AFAIK, only the Frame Sequential 3D format can present 3D images at 1920x1080 per eye. All other 3D formats either lose half the hort. res. or half the vertical res.

http://www.doremilabs.com/appnotes/D...conversion.pdf
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I guess we have dueling sources; although, TI does specifically say that DLP produces a "full" 1080p 3d image.
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Monster Unveils Universal 3D Glasses, Clarity HD Line





http://www.twice.com/article/454097-...ty_HD_Line.php

Lee, are you quoting yourself again?
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I played Avatar in 3D over 70 hours on my Xbox360. The 3D was simply amazing.

I’m considering the WD-82838 for my family room and my son just purchased a new Xbox last week.

Question: I assume you're talking about the Avatar 3D Game you played?

If not, would you please explain?

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I just think that 3D cannot be fully enjoyed on the smaller displays as seen in the BB displays.

I completely agree….which is why I can’t wait for some quality 3D PJ’s to hit the market that will be capable of lighting up a 133” screen in my custom HT.

Lee, my apologies if this post should be somewhere else.
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Monster Unveils Universal 3D Glasses, Clarity HD Line





http://www.twice.com/article/454097-...ty_HD_Line.php

This looks like Bitcauldron's first venture. http://www.bitcauldron.com/index.html
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Great, thanks for the info. I wish I would have seen this earlier.
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I have the Samsung DLP HDTV 61A750 and can anyone PLEASE tell me IF the Viewsonic DLP glasses will work with my TV and IF how well do they work? I just returned my XpanD X102's because of flickering too much and going from dark to light too much too.....am in the market for another pair of 3D glasses that will be keepers???

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