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I agree I think hacking the 3d1a would be better than hacking the Sammy but I don't have a clue how to have to wait for someone to figure it out and go from there instructions
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Hey Geaux,

Thanks for starting this thread!

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I believe a better solution would be to hack the 3DA-1 were we did not need the Gefen.

I was going to try updating the 3da-1 edid to a new 3d ready tv. I thought maybe if you could get a source to output 3d the 3da-1 would automatically convert it to checkerboard. I put avatar into the ps3 and set it to side by side, the 3da-1 would convert it when connected to hdmi 3 but as soon as I switched it to hdmi 1 it changed to normal and would only pass the side by side signal. Short of hacking the 3da-1 firmware (which is way over my head) I think the 3da-1 needs to see a mits edid.

Are you guys still having problems with the gefen method?

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I do not see turn edid on or off anywhere though...

line62, what model is your sammy? Did you try flashing it without going into the service menu, maybe your model doesn't have write protection? What does your menu look like, maybe the edid is under a sub-menu?
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87s checked through all the menus I might try a write tomarrow.
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PlumB How about a screen shot of this working on directv? I have been thinking about it...Can anyone with a sammy service menu show the edid on off feature?
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Yea I have no edid option. Tried a write from my ati 4200 laptop with win 7 no go
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Damn, that sucks. What happens when you try to update it, does it give you the "failed to update, the eeprom could be write protected" message? I had a lot of problems using my laptops ext display port, it works perfectly with my old desktop. What does moninfo say after you tried flashing it?
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ok I got the base to update . but getting a checksum error on the extended
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Post what you have for the ext edid, maybe I had a typo in my post.
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020328f1479022200504030123090707830100006c030c003000b82d0000 000000e3050301e2007f011d803e73382d407e2c4580508d6300001e011d 8018711c1620582c2500508d6300009e011d007251d01e206e285500508d 6300001e8c0ad08a20e02d10103e9600508d630000180000000000000000 00000000000000bf
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you have to turn ddc protection off to write to the 87s
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It looks right... other than the spaces and lower case letters. I don't know if that makes a difference. Sounds like you're just having the same problems I was having with my laptop.
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yea i dont why it did that when i run it thru mon info it gives a check sum error and wants to trow things out i think
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It could also be that the base didn't get updated 100%. When I was having problems with my laptop it would show random parts of the edid that weren't the same as the file I used to update it with. It will eventually go, you may just need to write over it a few times.
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I did it used the bin that mon info created. Its now reporting it as as a mits. I should get the adapter mon. or tues. Time for a shot LOL.
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Is this right?
Monitor
Model name............... MEUSPTV11
Windows description...... Generic PnP Monitor
Manufacturer............. Mitsubishi
Plug and Play ID......... MEL31C8
Serial number............ n/a
Manufacture date......... 2009, ISO week 13
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 1620 x 910 mm (73.2 in)
Power management......... Active off/sleep
Extension blocs.......... 1 (Reserved - 0x00)
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DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.680 - Ry 0.299
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.278 - Gy 0.664
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.149 - By 0.065
White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 15-68kHz
Vertical scan range...... 59-61Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 170MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080p at 30Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1360 x 765p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 720p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1064 x 594p at 60Hz - VESA STD
848 x 477p at 60Hz - VESA STD

Report information
Date generated........... 10/2/2010
Software revision........ 2.52.0.857
Data source.............. Registry-Active
Operating system......... 6.1.7600.2

Raw data
00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,34,AC,C8,31,01,01,01,01,0D,13,01,03, 80,A2,5B,78,2A,24,71,AE,4C,47,AA,26,
10,50,54,21,08,00,D1,C0,8B,C0,81,80,81,C0,66,C0,4B,C0,01,00, 01,00,02,3A,80,18,71,38,2D,40,58,2C,
45,00,50,8D,63,00,00,1E,01,1D,80,18,71,38,2D,40,58,2C,45,00, 50,8D,63,00,00,1E,00,00,00,FD,00,3B,
3D,0F,44,11,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00,4D,45,55, 53,50,54,56,31,31,0A,20,20,20,01,6E
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Maybe not should end in bf?
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That's the base only, there's no ext data listed there.

It should look like this:

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Monitor
  Model name............... MEUSPTV11
  Manufacturer............. Mitsubishi
  Plug and Play ID......... MEL31C8
  Serial number............ n/a
  Manufacture date......... 2009, ISO week 13
  -------------------------
  EDID revision............ 1.3
  Input signal type........ Digital
  Color bit depth.......... Undefined
  Display type............. RGB color
  Screen size.............. 1620 x 910 mm (73.2 in)
  Power management......... Active off/sleep
  Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT)
  -------------------------
  DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
  Default color space...... Non-sRGB
  Display gamma............ 2.20
  Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.680 - Ry 0.299
  Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.278 - Gy 0.664
  Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.149 - By 0.065
  White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
  Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
  Horizontal scan range.... 15-68kHz
  Vertical scan range...... 59-61Hz
  Video bandwidth.......... 170MHz
  CVT standard............. Not supported
  GTF standard............. Not supported
  Additional descriptors... None
  Preferred timing......... Yes
  Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080p at 30Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - IBM VGA
     800 x  600p at  60Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  60Hz - VESA
    1920 x 1080p at  60Hz - VESA STD
    1360 x  765p at  60Hz - VESA STD
    1280 x 1024p at  60Hz - VESA STD
    1280 x  720p at  60Hz - VESA STD
    1064 x  594p at  60Hz - VESA STD
     848 x  477p at  60Hz - VESA STD

EIA/CEA-861 Information
  Revision number.......... 3
  IT underscan............. Supported
  Basic audio.............. Supported
  YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
  YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
  Native formats........... 1
  Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080p at 24Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2558 2602 2750 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #2....... 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #3....... 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #4....... 720x480p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "720x480" 27.000 720 736 798 858 480 489 495 525 -hsync -vsync

CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported
    1920 x 1080p at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native]
    1920 x 1080p at  30Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080p at  24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080i at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1280 x  720p at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
     720 x  480p at  60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27)
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - Default (4:3, 1:1)
    NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001

CE audio data (formats supported)
  LPCM    2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48 kHz

CE speaker allocation data
  Channel configuration.... 2.0
  Front left/right......... Yes
  Front LFE................ No
  Front center............. No
  Rear left/right.......... No
  Rear center.............. No
  Front left/right center.. No
  Rear left/right center... No
  Rear LFE................. No

CE vendor specific data (VSDB)
  IEEE registration number. 0x000C03
  CEC physical address..... 3.0.0.0
  Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes
  Supports 48bpp........... No
  Supports 36bpp........... Yes
  Supports 30bpp........... Yes
  Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes
  Supports dual-link DVI... No
  Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz
  Audio/video latency (p).. n/a
  Audio/video latency (i).. n/a
  HDMI video capabilities.. No
  Data payload............. 030C003000B82D0000000000

CE colorimetry data
  xvYCC709 support......... Yes
  xvYCC601 support......... Yes
  sYCC601 support.......... No
  AdobeYCC601 support...... No
  AdobeRGB support......... No
  Metadata profile flags... 0x01

CE video capability data
  CE scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
  IT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
  PT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
  RGB quantization range... Selectable (via AVI YQ)
  YCC quantization range... Not supported

Report information
  Date generated........... 10/3/2010
  Software revision........ 2.52.0.857
  Data source.............. File
  Operating system......... 6.0.6002.2.Service Pack 2

Raw data
  00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,34,AC,C8,31,01,01,01,01,0D,13,01,03,80,A2,5B,78,2A,24,71,AE,4C,47,AA,26,
  10,50,54,21,08,00,D1,C0,8B,C0,81,80,81,C0,66,C0,4B,C0,01,00,01,00,02,3A,80,18,71,38,2D,40,58,2C,
  45,00,50,8D,63,00,00,1E,01,1D,80,18,71,38,2D,40,58,2C,45,00,50,8D,63,00,00,1E,00,00,00,FD,00,3B,
  3D,0F,44,11,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00,4D,45,55,53,50,54,56,31,31,0A,20,20,20,01,6E,
  02,03,28,F1,47,90,22,20,05,04,03,01,23,09,07,07,83,01,00,00,6C,03,0C,00,30,00,B8,2D,00,00,00,00,
  00,E3,05,03,01,E2,00,7F,01,1D,80,3E,73,38,2D,40,7E,2C,45,80,50,8D,63,00,00,1E,01,1D,80,18,71,1C,
  16,20,58,2C,25,00,50,8D,63,00,00,9E,01,1D,00,72,51,D0,1E,20,6E,28,55,00,50,8D,63,00,00,1E,8C,0A,
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Hmm whenever i read anything in mon info it comes up that size my laptop monitor the original sammy and the mits I am gonna wait for the adaptor and see if it works..
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It may work without the extension block in there, I never tried it. In the upper left window of moninfo it shows all the edids. It will show older ones that are still in the registry. It shows the current edid in the moniter as "Real-time". If the mits edid is listed as real-time then I would just try it as is.
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10-4 thanks will let ya know as soon as the adaptor arrives. Thank you for your help... My son is gonna have fun with the ps3 .. He watched me do it it does help to have a second brain when you are playing around in the service menu of the tv lol. The only thing I did is the damn blue light is back on.. Gotta turn it off..
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It's interesting.. I just tried this and my computer blue screened during the Update EDID process.. not sure what to think of that. Once the computer came back up, I confirmed my Samsung's EDID hasn't changed.

I wonder what each of those individual EDID submenu items does.. When I click into one and select it, it changes to "Waiting" for about 3 seconds...
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I have searched these substantial 3D posts but haven't been able to locate info about passing 1.4a HDMI video through a Onkyo 906 (about 2.0 yesrs old but was top of the line) receiver. I'm pretty sure it's only HDMI 1.3. I have a PS3, firmware 3.5, 2 Dish Network HD Sat receivers (3D not supported yet), and a Mitz WD-83735 3D ready TV. I am about ready to order the Mitz 3D starter kit.

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It's interesting.. I just tried this and my computer blue screened during the Update EDID process.. not sure what to think of that. Once the computer came back up, I confirmed my Samsung's EDID hasn't changed.

I wonder what each of those individual EDID submenu items does.. When I click into one and select it, it changes to "Waiting" for about 3 seconds...

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Were you using tv as second monitor or the only monitor hooked to the computer?
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Were you using tv as second monitor or the only monitor hooked to the computer?

It's a laptop with an Nvidia HDMI out. I had the laptop in dual monitor mode (not mirror)
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It may work without the extension block in there, I never tried it. In the upper left window of moninfo it shows all the edids. It will show older ones that are still in the registry. It shows the current edid in the moniter as "Real-time". If the mits edid is listed as real-time then I would just try it as is.

PlumB... I wonder if it would be better to take our original EDID signature, and simply switch out the Model/Manufacturer info... leaving behind everythign else from the Samsung...

I did a visual diff on the two reports (my 61A750 vs the report you posted).
In addition to different models/manufacturers.. The screen size, color characteristic, and timing characteristics are different..

Since we know which bytes control the mfgr/model (data most likely used by the 3da-1 for "authorization"), we could change just those couple bytes, but leave all the metadata concerning our specifics TVs intact.

Thoughts?

The EDID information is stored LSB first (backwards)...
Samsung's Mfgr ID is 2D4C.
HL61A750's Model ID is 03C7.

Mitsubishi's ID is AC34.
65737's Model ID is 31C8.

We'd also have to regenerate the last byte (checksum).
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Code:
(8-9)           ID Manufacture Name : MEL
(10-11)         ID Product Code     : 31C8
(12-15)         ID Serial Number    : N/A
(16)            Week of Manufacture : 49
(17)            Year of Manufacture : 2007

(18)            EDID Version Number : 1
(19)            EDID Revision Number: 3

(20)            Video Input Definition       : Digital
(21)            Maximum Horizontal Image Size: 160 cm
(22)            Maximum Vertical Image Size  : 90 cm
(23)            Display Gamma                : 2.20
(24)            Power Management and Supported Feature(s):
                        RGB Color, Non-sRGB, Preferred Timing Mode

(25-34)         Color Characteristics
                        Red Chromaticity   :  Rx = 0.650  Ry = 0.330
                        Green Chromaticity :  Gx = 0.300  Gy = 0.596
                        Blue Chromaticity  :  Bx = 0.150  By = 0.080
                        Default White Point:  Wx = 0.312  Wy = 0.329

(35)            Established Timings I

                        640 x 480 @ 60Hz (IBM, VGA)
                        800 x 600 @ 60Hz (VESA)

(36)            Established Timings II

                        1024 x 768 @ 60Hz (VESA)

(37)            Manufacturer's Timings (Not Used)

(38-53)         Standard Timings

                        1280x1024 @ 60 Hz (5:4 Aspect Ratio)

(54-71)         Detailed Descriptor #1: Preferred Detailed Timing (1920x1080 @ 60Hz)

                        Pixel Clock            : 148.5 MHz
                        Horizontal Image Size  : 1600 mm
                        Vertical Image Size    : 900 mm
                        Refresh Mode           : Non-interlaced
                        Normal Display, No Stereo

                        Horizontal:
                                Active Time     : 1920 Pixels
                                Blanking Time   : 280 Pixels
                                Sync Offset     : 88 Pixels
                                Sync Pulse Width: 44 Pixels
                                Border          : 0 Pixels
                                Frequency       : 67 kHz

                        Vertical:
                                Active Time     : 1080 Lines
                                Blanking Time   : 45 Lines
                                Sync Offset     : 4 Lines
                                Sync Pulse Width: 5 Lines
                                Border          : 0 Lines

                        Digital Separate, Horizontal Polarity (+), Vertical Polarity (+)

                        Modeline: "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

(72-89)         Detailed Descriptor #2: Detailed Timing (1360x768 @ 60Hz)

                        Pixel Clock            : 85.5 MHz
                        Horizontal Image Size  : 1600 mm
                        Vertical Image Size    : 900 mm
                        Refresh Mode           : Non-interlaced
                        Normal Display, No Stereo

                        Horizontal:
                                Active Time     : 1360 Pixels
                                Blanking Time   : 432 Pixels
                                Sync Offset     : 64 Pixels
                                Sync Pulse Width: 112 Pixels
                                Border          : 0 Pixels
                                Frequency       : 47 kHz

                        Vertical:
                                Active Time     : 768 Lines
                                Blanking Time   : 27 Lines
                                Sync Offset     : 3 Lines
                                Sync Pulse Width: 6 Lines
                                Border          : 0 Lines

                        Digital Separate, Horizontal Polarity (+), Vertical Polarity (+)

                        Modeline: "1360x768" 85.500 1360 1424 1536 1792 768 771 777 795 +hsync +vsync

(90-107)        Detailed Descriptor #3: Monitor Range Limits

                        Horizontal Scan Range: 26kHz-68kHz
                        Vertical Scan Range  : 23Hz-61Hz
                        Supported Pixel Clock: 230 MHz
                        Secondary GTF        : Not Supported

(108-125)       Detailed Descriptor #4: Monitor Name

                        Monitor Name: MEUSPTV11

(126-127)       Extension Flag and Checksum

                        Extension Block(s)  : 1
                        Checksum Value      : 208

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So I went ahead and did it... This is my HL61A750's EDID spliced with the Mitsubishi data for the Mfgr, Model ID, and Monitor Name, nothing more (with a correctly generated checksum). I haven't tried flashing it yet though because of my PC blue screening.

Can anyone with a 61a750 confirm that your color, timing, and resolution look identical? I'm still not sure if I'm working off a good capture from my tv.
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To edit the edid sounds lime a good idea kinda get the best of both to bad I don't understand any of this I would try on my tv but guess I couldn't test with out the adaptor that I didn't buy yet. Was waiting for a better solution the tru3d's
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I wonder if it would be better to take our original EDID signature, and simply switch out the Model/Manufacturer info... leaving behind everythign else from the Samsung...

I was thinking the same thing, so I went ahead and tried it. It works, it appears the only thing the 3da-1 is looking for is the plug and play ID(ID manufacture code and ID product code, bytes 8-11 of the base edid). I changed those bytes in my hl50a650 hdmi3 edid from "4C2DAE03" to "34ACC831", used moninfo to fix the checksum(which is the last byte of the base edid), flashed it to my sammy with the original extension block, and it works perfectly.

What did you use to dump the edid before you flashed it? Powerstrip only appears to backup the base data. I used moninfo to save the entire edid with the extension block before I flashed it. Powerstrip only writes 128 bytes at a time so unless you tried flashing an extension block the original one should still be in there.
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To edit the edid sounds lime a good idea kinda get the best of both to bad I don't understand any of this

Yes, I think that's the best approach. If you post your model # and the edid from hdmi 3 I could edit the pnp ID for it.

Maybe we should start a database of original edids and known good modified ones for all the samsung 3d ready dlp models.
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