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Does it make sense to just get a 720p set for ps3 since games only support up to 720p resolution in 3d anyway? Is there any benefit to having a 1080p set if all I'm going to use it for is gran turismo 5, or will a 720p 3d tv output the exact same thing as a 1080p 3d tv with an input signal of 720p60? Or does a 720p 3d tv actually display a lower resolution in 3d mode?

I'm currently leaning towards the 720p samsung 50" plasma with hdmi 1.4. This is literally just for gran turismo 5 which I believe will run at 720p60 (not 100% on that). It will be mounted to a custom racing seat (or directly in front of) along with a head-tracking playstation eye camera.

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Get 1080p anyways. Some games are 1080p. Modern Warfare 2 its 1080p and looks great. But I suggest to take 55" or 63". I have a new 55" LED Samsung UN55C8000 and I want to exchange it for the 63" but Plasma because of size for a similar price! About PQ the TV looks AWESOME. And for 3D I give a 8/10. For Plasmas 3D I give it 9.5/10. This LED TV have lots of way to tweak to get a better 2D or 3D PQ. The 3D effect looks very nice.
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I'd also advise you to go 1080p and futureproof yourself. The difference in price is not that great and there are some good PS3 games that support 1080p (Dead Space being another one). Also, videos and games that use side by side or top and bottom 3D modes should look better at 1080p.
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I think I should have been more specific. My only interest for this set is in ps3 3D games which will always be limited to 720p60x2. This set is part of a racing cockpit.

HDMI 1.4 protocol 3D max resolution is 720p60 or 1080p24. There's no such thing as 1080p60 x2 3D mode until HDMI updates their protocols. It's impossible to futureproof right now since hdmi 1.4 does not support higher than 720p60 x2 and 1080p24 x2, so I'm not trying to go past the current 3D limitations.

Is there an easy way to figure out what actual resolutions 3D tv's run in 3D mode?
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Sony is claiming that GT5 will be in 1080 P. dont know if Polyphony Digital
backed up sonys claim. but just get 1080p and make sure you have
both 720 and 1080 checked off in the PS3 settings. if the game is 720 then it
should run in 720
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If you're only buying the tv for games (that'd be nice) then buy a 1080p anyways. You won't always be playing GT5 and a lot of games support 1080p. 3d games don't yet support 1080p but that'll change with the introduction of the next gen consoles which in my opinion will be sometime in the next 3-4 years.
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Yes the new Playstation and Xbox should be out in 2012 or 2013. Maybe even a bit sooner because they both know whichever console hits the market first will dominate the numbers game.
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Sony is claiming that GT5 will be in 1080 P. dont know if Polyphony Digital
backed up sonys claim. but just get 1080p and make sure you have
both 720 and 1080 checked off in the PS3 settings. if the game is 720 then it
should run in 720

Yeah GT5 will be 1080p60 but only in 2d mode which means the PS3 should be able to push 720p60 x2 for 3D. Most PS3 games are 720p60 or 1080p30 to start with and get worse from there when in 3d mode.

I wasn't aware that new consoles would be out as early as 2012 - I kinda doubt it. They're all instead doing a midcycle refresh with kinect/move/motionplus.
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I think I should have been more specific. My only interest for this set is in ps3 3D games which will always be limited to 720p60x2. This set is part of a racing cockpit.

HDMI 1.4 protocol 3D max resolution is 720p60 or 1080p24. There's no such thing as 1080p60 x2 3D mode until HDMI updates their protocols. It's impossible to futureproof right now since hdmi 1.4 does not support higher than 720p60 x2 and 1080p24 x2, so I'm not trying to go past the current 3D limitations.

Is there an easy way to figure out what actual resolutions 3D tv's run in 3D mode?

Avatar on PS3 runs at 1080p in 3D.....
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Well I have the different opinion. For 3D PS3 games, 720p is all there will be. Maybe when PS4 comes out, but not with PS3. Saving money on a 720p rig is a real and sensible choice. There is a slightly larger dot pitch with 720p displayed on a 720p set compared to 720p displayed on a 1080p set, but there will be no greater detail in that 1080p set - not when using 3D PS3 games.
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Avatar on PS3 runs at 1080p in 3D.....

Avatar the movie may run at 1080p24. Games at 24fps would be awful.

http://gizmodo.com/5522804/no-surpri...and-framerates

Here is the full list of 3d resolutions HDMI 1.4a supports. Of these, the *'d ones the PS3 supports. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (but not if I'm right ).

3D formats:
720p50 *
720p59
720p60 *
1080p23
1080p24 *
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I've been doing more research and even the Samsung 1080p set does not support 1080p60 in 3d mode. I don't think any TV's do because it's not part of HDMI 1.4a protocol.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_30550C7...=detailed_info

"The Plasma TV's Hyper Real 3D Engine enables you to view 3D video from HDMI 1.4 3D (1920 x 2205p-24Hz and 1280 x 1470p-50/60Hz) sources"

1920 x 2205 is 1080p24 x2
1280 x 1470 is 720p60 x2

Does anyone know how to find out what the samsung 720p set displays since it's not on crutchfield? It might be around the same 1280x1470 720p60.
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If you want to futureproof this awesome-sounding driving simulator set-up for the next generation consoles, then you might contemplate 1080p now. Otherwise, save your money, get a 720p 3D screen now - you won't be missing anything, and you'll save a few $$ now - invest them for the 3D 4K screen with PS5
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720p only. No point in 1080p since it will require an HDMI revision for 3D...IDK why people here keep saying you need 1080p to "future proof" it.
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I can't believe in 2010 we're still actually discussing whether or not it's a good idea to buy a 720p or 1080p TV... No, future 3d games won't be 1080p but how many people bought a 720p TV when they came out only to almost immediately regret not buying a 1080p unit.

The reality is, yes right now all you want your TV for is to play videogames on your racing rig... a year from now who knows? You're only going to play GT5 for the rest of your life? There's no chance you're going to move this new 3d tv to another room and maybe watch a 3d blu-ray or two?
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I think I should have been more specific. My only interest for this set is in ps3 3D games which will always be limited to 720p60x2. This set is part of a racing cockpit.

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The reality is, yes right now all you want your TV for is to play videogames on your racing rig... a year from now who knows? You're only going to play GT5 for the rest of your life? There's no chance you're going to move this new 3d tv to another room and maybe watch a 3d blu-ray or two?

Perhaps we should have "3D" text style as well as bold, italic, underline
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Perhaps we should have "3D" text style as well as bold, italic, underline

If he didn't want other people's opinions, he shouldn't have created a forum asking for just that. He knows PS3 3d games are in 720p and he knows what a 720p TV is... Problem solved.

He asked if there was any other benefits to buying a 1080p tv over a 720p TV. The answer? Yes - not being so short sighted to actually believe the only thing you'll ever use this tv for is playing 3d videogames in his race car...
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I was wondering if the 720p set actually displayed something lower in 3d mode. According to a Samsung rep over online chat it displays full 720p in alternating frames. I know the Mitsubishi DLPs only show half the resolution in 3d mode and didn't know if that was the case with Samsung Plasmas. If it were, the 1080p set would have an advantage over the 720p even with a 720p 3d signal.
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The Samsung 720 3D plasmas when sent 1080 packed buffer 3D content will downscale it to 1280x720 (720p) per eye. The DLPs when displaying 3D content display it at 960x1080per eye. If you want full HD 1920x1080 per eye 3D from packed buffer foramt you have to get a 1080p LCD or 1080p Plasma 3DTV.
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If you want to futureproof this awesome-sounding driving simulator set-up for the next generation consoles, then you might contemplate 1080p now. Otherwise, save your money, get a 720p 3D screen now - you won't be missing anything, and you'll save a few $$ now - invest them for the 3D 4K screen with PS5

I'm not convinced that current gen 3d tv's will support HDMI 1.5 or whatever will push 1080p60x2 so I think 720p is the way to go for my setup unless black friday yields a crazy deal on a 3d 1080p plasma. Here's the basis of my rig, an older version of one of these I got off of craigslist: http://hotseatsim.com/Products/Allsi...2/Default.aspx

I've modified it to use the logitech g27 6-speed shifter. The built-in flat screen mount only supports up to about 24" so I'll either modify it or separate the screen from the chair. I'll probably separate it so I can use the tv for other things occasionally. I kept the stock cup holder intact

I have a 108" projector screen in my living room so I'm not trying to replace my main display or anything.
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I'm not convinced that current gen 3d tv's will support HDMI 1.5 or whatever will push 1080p60x2 so I think 720p is the way to go for my setup unless black friday yields a crazy deal on a 3d 1080p plasma. Here's the basis of my rig, an older version of one of these I got off of craigslist: http://hotseatsim.com/Products/Allsi...2/Default.aspx

I've modified it to use the logitech g27 6-speed shifter. The built-in flat screen mount only supports up to about 24" so I'll either modify it or separate the screen from the chair. I'll probably separate it so I can use the tv for other things occasionally. I kept the stock cup holder intact

I have a 108" projector screen in my living room so I'm not trying to replace my main display or anything.

So, if you're building this primarily for GT5, are you sure that GT5 in 3D is going to be all that? The reason I say that, is that I've heard from people who have played the game in 3D, that the 3D is "very mild". Supposedly, it's much more subtle than Motorstom 3D or Wipeout HD 3D.

While the game itself might be amazing (for those that like the simulation style), the 3D could be a huge letdown.
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So, if you're building this primarily for GT5, are you sure that GT5 in 3D is going to be all that? The reason I say that, is that I've heard from people who have played the game in 3D, that the 3D is "very mild". Supposedly, it's much more subtle than Motorstom 3D or Wipeout HD 3D.

While the game itself might be amazing (for those that like the simulation style), the 3D could be a huge letdown.

I'll have to try it out. There's a shop that will let me bring in my PS3 to check it out on 3d tv's but all I'd have to go off of right now is motorstorm 3d. About 28:30 into this video these guys were pretty impressed. They're pretty serious sim racers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdH8tFpkKYA
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Will 3d mode help with plasma image retention on video games as even mostly still images are actually alternating locations at 120hz? Or will it be worse since plasma tv's tend to turn up the brightness really high when in 3d mode?
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Brightness is increased when in 3D mode since 3D LC glases absorb a lot of the light.
The only way to play a 3D game or a video 3D program at 60 fps per eyes is with a display that can refresh at least at 120Hz.
If the plasma image was retained too long you would get motion blur, you need the screen to go blank between images to prevent it.
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Well first off the bat, there are *no* 3DTVs available today (or even announced) that support 1080p60 in 3D. Although it is technically part of the HDMI 1.4a spec, it is optional and no vendor has implemented it. And, even assuming some new TV came out next year that supported it you have to be smoking something to think the PS3 could handle that. They are having serious trouble even supporting 720p60 so some 3D games are running in sub-720p res upscaled and possibly at 30fps. Only way you are getting 1080p60 3D is on the PC and, again, 3DTV Play does not support that yet. So for 3DTV gaming 1080P is not really any benefit. You will probably get as good quality on the Samsung 720P set. Although you have to expect, with the current lack of 3D content you may be watching some 2D Blu-Ray or playing 2D games. In that case you may want the 1080P. Plus 3D Blu-Ray is pretty cool. Might want to see that at full quality.
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I am not aware of any HDMI 1.4a spec resolution that supports concurrent tranmission of 1080p/60 per eye content. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
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