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post #121 of 163 Old 07-29-2011, 07:21 AM
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I've tested a GT30 with the 2nd Gen Panny glasses (frame packed mode, .mpo pattern). Results were pretty bad: 1, 10, 10, 1 in THX/Cinema with contrast capped (35-40fL windowed white peak without glass, fairly dim by 3D standards). This result is blatantly obvious in most general 3D content, you will be spotting significant cross talk in just about every scene if you know what to look for. Game and Custom (brightest modes, more inaccurate gamma, 40-45fL without glasses) are even worse: around 1,5,5,1. Best possible result was dropping Contrast to 0 in Cinema/THX, which only resulted in ~1,20,20,1 and was too dim to even view brightly lit source material (completely unusable). I presume the ST and VT are going to be very similar if not identical. Most reviewers are not well versed in 3D, and I wouldn't put any stock in their attempted qualifications of crosstalk. I suspect a lot of them just scene skip through a CG cartoon and draw their conclusions based on that.

i thought the crosstalk is better than samsung plasma tv but it is not. i am guessing i am not buying this tv for 3d movies.
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I don't know why this thread is not stickied but imo this is the best thread to analyze crosstalk on 3DTVs to determine if it can pass dark and light scenes because some TVs are better in light areas and others are better in darker scenes so by using the clips in this thread in conjunction with stereoscopic player can yield results that show it's 3d performance levels under high stress.

It should be a requirement before purchasing any tv for high 3d usage.
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Can someone upload the MPO file ? the original dropbox link no longer works! thanks //
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Umenon,

I only have the avi file that is still available
http://www.box.net/shared/lpe35vy1h8
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Can someone upload the MPO file ? the original dropbox link no longer works! thanks //

I added the file as an attachement to the first post.
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3d tv: Philips 46pfl9706h/12
3D glasses model: Philips pta516

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 2
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 2
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 2
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 2

so guys. is that any good? contrast is at 75 and brightness 68

In bright scenes there is little to none crosstalk. In dark scenes i get so dizzy from all the crosstalk.So many ghosting shadows interfearing.I almost see everything double.
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miltos, check out this comparison of 9 models: http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produi...9706H_3dlg.jpg

Your model performs better in that test than the passive LG 5500 (top right corner). I own a passive LG 5300 and scored a 1-20-20-1, so I would expect yours to do something like 1-23-23-1, but for some reason it's doing horrible.

Something has to be going wrong.

P.S. It's interesting to see a passive set winning by a mile (Toshiba 47VL863).

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3d tv: LG 65LW6500
3D glasses model: ones that came with tv

Mode=THX 3D Cinema / Backlight=100 Contrast=90 Brightness=51

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 4
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 35
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> nothing
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 3

That 35 killed the other good numbers. I tried 4 other glasses they all give the same 35 number. Is it something I should worry about? I don't really see any crosstalk at all. The only time I really noticed it was in the movie Despicable Me at the beginning with the big red Despicable Me title against the black background but I hear that that scene is noted for that.
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Left eye open/right closed-> top half screen smaller number visible -> 2
Left eye open/right eye closed -> bottom half screen smaller number visible -> 2
Right eye open/ left eye closed -> top half screen smaller number visible -> 1
Right eye open/left eye closed -> bottom half screen smaller number visble -> 1

standard mode cell light 20, brightness 45, contrast 100

so is this good or bad ?

I dont know if this matters but all I did was hook up my laptop to the tv after downloading slides to laptop and turned on 3d side by side on the tv. I tried also 2d - 3d conversion , here are those numbers .
2-3-3-3 - this is using the 2d - 3d conversion on the tv.

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3d tv: LG 65LW6500
3D glasses model: ones that came with tv

Mode=THX 3D Cinema / Backlight=100 Contrast=90 Brightness=51

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 4
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 35
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> nothing
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 3

That 35 killed the other good numbers. I tried 4 other glasses they all give the same 35 number. Is it something I should worry about? I don't really see any crosstalk at all. The only time I really noticed it was in the movie Despicable Me at the beginning with the big red Despicable Me title against the black background but I hear that that scene is noted for that.

Turning local dimming on low made a big difference for me. These are my new numbers.

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 16
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> nothing
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1
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I would have expected your results to be something like 1-16-16-1, not 1-16-nothing-1. I think something's not set right?

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Also, are you aware that in #2 and #3 the bigger the number the better, and in #1 and #4 the lower the better? I dont understand what you mean by the 35 killing the other numbers. 35 is a really good score but I dont understand why you're not seeing anything for #3. You do have your TV in side by aide mode right?

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Also, are you aware that in #2 and #3 the bigger the number the better, and in #1 and #4 the lower the better? I dont understand what you mean by the 35 killing the other numbers. 35 is a really good score but I dont understand why you're not seeing anything for #3. You do have your TV in side by aide mode right?

I guess I'm confused on the way to read the numbers. I thought the whole idea was to get as close as possible to the best crosstalk number listed in the OP's first post. I'm in side by side mode.

This is what he has listed as best possible crosstalk numbers. Is this not right?

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The best possible results for crosstalk are:
Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> NOTHING
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> NOTHING
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

After testing again with a new pair of wrap around 3D glasses I got here are the new numbers.

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 27
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 27
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1
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Hmm, apparently you were using the wrong glasses but I have no idea what kind would give you those initial results. Maybe you were using circular polarized IMAX glasses? LG's TVs use linear polarization, as does RealD.

lower is better, "1" is best
higher is better, "nothing" is best
higher is better, "nothing" is best
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Hmm, apparently you were using the wrong glasses but I have no idea what kind would give you those initial results. Maybe you were using circular polarized IMAX glasses? LG's TVs use linear polarization, as does RealD.

lower is better, "1" is best
higher is better, "nothing" is best
higher is better, "nothing" is best
lower is better, "1" is best

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Thanks for all your help. The ones that gave me the 35 reading are the ones that say LG Cinema 3D on the side of them. The ones that me the 1,27,27,1 are these I got off Ebay
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Oh, I assumed you were using non-LG glasses. Do you still get the inconsistent results where you see 35 in one eye and nothing in the other with the LG glasses? Or were you just reading it wrong?

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not sure if i am doing this right but:

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Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 35
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 33
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

not sure what this means, but when i watch 3d material it looks very good. this is using read3d glasses that i got from the theater. i havent opened the glasses that came with the tv.
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not sure if i am doing this right but:

47lm6700

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 35
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 33
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

not sure what this means, but when i watch 3d material it looks very good. this is using read3d glasses that i got from the theater. i havent opened the glasses that came with the tv.

The LG glasses should be the same. They are on my 5300 at least. But the LG's have a nicer nose piece.

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The LG glasses should be the same. They are on my 5300 at least. But the LG's have a nicer nose piece.

as far as the scores goes, is this a decent result for my tv?
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for those with the panasonic 3d sets like the gt25. do you use the james cameron custom settings for the 3d? they work very well. I got a crosstalk once in a videogame a while back, but never in a movie.
I have tried the differnet glasses for panasonic. the 3rd generations are the best.
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i want to see if there is any crosstalk on my projector ( HD33). i have the files. shall i use powerdvd, WMP w/ SBS on the projector to see if there is any xtalk.

please help me.

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HI Guys , Im new on the forum , well Om new with the 3D tech .

I got this great TV UN60D7000
Everything is perfect BUT the 3D which in my opinion is really bad , the ghosting in dark image , also some time in every image is very annoying .
I contact Samsung and they ask me if I want a tech check my TV ,
Im not sure if that will solve it , should I returning to store for exchange ? If so will I get the same problem again with this model .
By the reviews I dont see most people complaining about it .
Any advise how adjust it ?
I try different settings but nothing seems to work .
I will try a 3D br tomorrow
BTW 3D source is Direct TV , HDMI High speed connected
THANK YOU FOR THE HELP IN ADVANCE
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Same THX settings as 'fred96ws6'

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 12
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 18
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

This is tested with the .mpo file.
It actually fluctuates slightly depending on the glasses, both the real d ones from the movies (6 pairs tested) and the LG ones (10 pairs tested). These numbers are the best I can get, with 3 pairs of my LG ones yielding the same results.
I get noticeable crosstalk in everything I've tried on this unit; several top/bottom movies on comcast, Sonic Generations/Halo Anniversary on Xbox, and Uncharted 3/Shadow of the Colossus on PS3, all over hdmi.

I feel like these results are below average for a passive unit, as it feels like in practice about 15% of the opposite image is going to each eye on anything high contrast (the majority of Shadow of the Colossus for example).
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This thread should be sticky!

Panasonic 42GT20 here with 2000+ hours.

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 7
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 7
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

And with a different calibration (but it's less usable because it's too dim):
Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 3
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 12
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 12
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 3
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This is what I got. Not good I see.

jbugs Panasonic 65VT50 active-rechargeable glasses
Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -8
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -3
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -1


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So, what active shutter 3DTV has the least amount of crosstalk now? We won't know unless their owners start posting their results...
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Hello again i ran the Test on the dual projector setup and here are the results :


My passive polarised 3D dual projector setup :

Dual Epson EH-TW3500 (euro version of the 8100)

Silverfabric linear polarised filters POLAR-L-50

Harkness Spectral 240 "silverscreen"

Stereomax linear polarised glasses


Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1

Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 15 (normal) 20 (tuned for lowest crosstalk but unbalanced colour)

Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 15 (normal) 20 (tuned for lowest crosstalk but unbalanced colour)

Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1


(edited, interverted two lines)

Hello,

My DIY two-projector setup is:

- CASIO XJ-A235V pair, (LED/laser)
- Optoma 3D-XL pair
- 3D Stereoscopic Projection Screen Material from eBuy (user id: strayvr ), excellent and cheap, rollable
- RealD glasses, circular polarization

Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 19
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 19
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

Tested in total darkness, great 3D results.
I will cross-check this screen material with samples I have, where Spectral 240 3D is mediocre, while STEREOVIEW 3D 2.2 from MDI is holy-grail cool.gif

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So, what active shutter 3DTV has the least amount of crosstalk now? We won't know unless their owners start posting their results...

Looks like it is still DLP, with zero crosstalk.

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Looks like it is still DLP, with zero crosstalk.

That's not what I am hearing from reviewers of 3D DLP projectors.

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