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Is this "Written in Stone"?
Does everyone agree w/this assessment?
(esp. 2D PQ)

Could/wont passive tech improve?
W/the Big Boys joining the party at CES, I would think/hope so!

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Is this "Written in Stone"?
Does everyone agree w/this assessment?
(esp. 2D PQ)

Could/wont passive tech improve?
W/the Big Boys joining the party at CES, I would think/hope so!

I think this is definitely true for 3D LCD displays. This technology makes the most sense for the LCD market where the consumer already accepts limitations with 2D performance. For the high end 3D market active shutters will probably still exist for flagship LCD models that have the latest low refresh rate panels. The writing will be on the wall for ASG if Panasonic ever releases a passive plasma panel. Still see the tech existing for DLP front projection where this market will demand full HD resolution, better ghosting performance, and wouldn't want to deal with a switch to a polarization friendly screen.

But I think the biggest killer of active shutter tech in the flat panel market is not the ghosting but the expense of the glasses. Each manufacturer coming out with incompatible specs didn't help things either.
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I bought this one yesterday and even the 3D is great (better than my Samsung 55" C8000).
The background is the deepest black and it is so reflective that it is like a mirror and I am not able to see anything in daylight. Check this picture. This is not a show, this is reflection when TV is turned off.

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I bought this one yesterday and even the 3D is great (better than my Samsung 55" C8000).
The background is the deepest black and it is so reflective that it is like a mirror and I am not able to see anything in daylight. Check this picture. This is not a show, this is reflection when TV is turned off.

That's just plain gorgeous, but an issue.
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Anyone have any feedback on the amount of crosstalk vs the plasma displays on the market?
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I bought this one yesterday and even the 3D is great (better than my Samsung 55" C8000).
The background is the deepest black and it is so reflective that it is like a mirror and I am not able to see anything in daylight. Check this picture. This is not a show, this is reflection when TV is turned off.


Ouch. luckily my windows are on the same side of the room as the tv so I don't have that issue as badly. that is definitely one drawback as I am now seeing mine for the first time during the day, its there but still not as bad only because I dont have as much light coming into in my living room.
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That's just plain gorgeous, but an issue.

Gosh I second this. Only way I could live with a glare haha.
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I've been looking at the Samsung UN65C8000 waiting for price drop which is imminent. I missed the under < $4K price drop in late October on that set but it's bound to happen again.

I'm wondering what you guys think ofthe Vizio as opposed to the Samsung UN65C8000. Both 65" but opposite 3d technologies. Should I be looking at Vizio over the Samsung?

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as much as I would like to agree I dont think you will see the C8000 at that price again. 4k range, maybe. Samsung has been selling the crap out of these sets and thus no big discounts. I hope I am wrong though
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btw has this set ever been listed on the costco website?
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btw has this set ever been listed on the costco website?

I've checked about a dozen times & haven't seen it.

It is on Sams Club: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/pr...ledetect=false
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must be in limited release. None in stock within 200 miles of Orlando Fl
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none in stock in the state of indiana or online. yay. thanks sams
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Hello Everyone,

My wife and I read my own review of the Vizio 65" I did earlier and guess what, the wife "surprised" me with one of my own. It is in the family room as a temporary set up to make sure I like it, so far Avatar in 2D BlueRay looks great, Alice in Wonderland 3D later for the real test. My wife said that all the guys in Costco were "flirting" with her to get her to buy them one also. She said that the sales guy thought she was kidding when she asked one of them to help her take it to the car, they even took some picture to show their wives and girlfriends.

I have the box safetly packed away just in case it doesn't live up to my testing. I am anxious to play some of the 3D videos I made with my GOPro HD video cameras.

I have to tell you that sitting here watching Avatar is pretty nice, I promise myself I will keep the box :-)

Any suggestions, or comments you have will be appreciated, no you can't have the wife...

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It's clear you wife leads the forum in awesomeness!

Let us know your thoughts on Alice In Wonderland. I think Avatar 2D Blu-Ray followed by Alice 3D is a darn good way to give it a whirl.
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no you can't have the wife...

Jack

no offense, but you can keep the wife. this set is more rare than a good woman right now apparently. so, i'll just take that. not to mention my gf would probably shoot me in the face if I brought another woman home. I knew better than to teach her to shoot.
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So can you view 2D on this TV ??
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Since your guessing, I'll guess as well: under ($3999.99US).
Could be right!? We'll see. Gotta love CES. And a place like this to chat it up. LG's price is usually more of a premium for the High end sets. However this may not be their high end offering. As there might be another model that is "full led backlit" for more money like the LX9500 was the LE5500 this year.
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I bought this one yesterday and even the 3D is great (better than my Samsung 55" C8000).
The background is the deepest black and it is so reflective that it is like a mirror and I am not able to see anything in daylight. Check this picture. This is not a show, this is reflection when TV is turned off.

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So can you view 2D on this TV ??
Yes you can. All 3d TVs display 2d material when source is 2d.
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Its not a dealbreaker but I will say the sound on this tv is exactly the same as the Samsung 65" I just bought. TINNY! These things must share the same motherboard or whatever the tv equivalent is. The volume is loud and clear. But theres definitely a fullness or "body" missing to it. Assuming most won't care if they are using surround swtups and the manufacturer may be banking on this, so they're skimping on The audio. compared to my other TVs, this things nuts haven't dropped yet, even with the lower frequencies maxed on the eq.
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FYI in terms of availability the pattern I'm seeing is it's hitting the northeast and eastern Midwest first. Had someone Check nationwide inventory and thats what we could discern.
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I've been looking at the Samsung UN65C8000 waiting for price drop which is imminent. I missed the under < $4K price drop in late October on that set but it's bound to happen again.

I'm wondering what you guys think ofthe Vizio as opposed to the Samsung UN65C8000. Both 65" but opposite 3d technologies. Should I be looking at Vizio over the Samsung?

Thanks!
I have the UN55C8000 in my bedroom and the 65" Vizio in my living room. I like the Samsung 2D picture so much more and believe that the 65" Vizio 2D picture does not come close to it. I tried for hours to adjust the settings to match the Samsung and was not able to come even close.
On the other hand the Samsung has no chance to beat the 3D quality of Vizio. The crosstalk on the Samsung became less with recent firmware updates but they are still noticeable and very annoying. My wife refuses watching 3D on movies on the Samsung because it gives her headache after 10 minutes with active shutter glasses. The way the Vizio shows 3D is near perfect. No crosstalk at all and we watched 2 movies and did the the Nvidea 3D sterescopic test and it looks amazing on the Vizio.
Hands down the best "in house 3D" ever.
I still going to return the Vizio and going to buy the UN65C8000 because 99% of the time I watch 2D and the picture on the Samsung 8000 is IMHO so much better than the Vizio.
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agreed the samsung picture is definitely better. i just cant STAND active shutter. i dont get headaches but hate the weight and feel of the glasses and If i want better picture, i go to the better TV. vizio is definitely the best 3d option available RIGHT NOW. that will obviously change in the next few months but I'd bet it will be at a higher price point (which I'm not willing to spend for a secondary tv)
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[quote=OconRecon;19732193]Someone posted an email from the editor of Home Theater Mag that Vizio was prepping a unit for them to test. They had requested the unit right after it hit Costco. Maybe its the site to watch.

I suppose you could argue the manufactures could be more informative on release dates and more accommodating with review units. It seems to be the case with this Vizio anyway.

Thanks OconRecon I'll try and keep an eye on HTM. It's crazy to me that these sets tend to not be reviewed until months after their release. In many cases the next model is looming and it makes decision making very hard.

Thanks again for the reply.
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Any suggestions, or comments you have will be appreciated, no you can't have the wife...

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Pix of wife?
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Costco in Boca has them... Just under 200 miles...


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I've checked about a dozen times & haven't seen it.

It is on Sams Club: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/pr...ledetect=false
I love the way the TV commercials and print ads for 3D TVs show the image projecting outside the physical edge of the TVs!

I wish that would be possible.
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I'd never compare the quality of a 55" to a 65" sice the larger sets will all seem to be more washed out but samsngs have always had very great "daytime viewable" televisions. For me they have to many uneven backlighting , clouding and flashlighting issues when viewed in dark rooms which had me return every LCD set I ever tried from them. Not sure why others can make sets without these issues but samsung doen't think its a problem.


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I have the UN55C8000 in my bedroom and the 65" Vizio in my living room. I like the Samsung 2D picture so much more and believe that the 65" Vizio 2D picture does not come close to it. I tried for hours to adjust the settings to match the Samsung and was not able to come even close.
On the other hand the Samsung has no chance to beat the 3D quality of Vizio. The crosstalk on the Samsung became less with recent firmware updates but they are still noticeable and very annoying. My wife refuses watching 3D on movies on the Samsung because it gives her headache after 10 minutes with active shutter glasses. The way the Vizio shows 3D is near perfect. No crosstalk at all and we watched 2 movies and did the the Nvidea 3D sterescopic test and it looks amazing on the Vizio.
Hands down the best "in house 3D" ever.
I still going to return the Vizio and going to buy the UN65C8000 because 99% of the time I watch 2D and the picture on the Samsung 8000 is IMHO so much better than the Vizio.
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Forgetting about the price - how does this stack up against the Samsung UN65C8000? I'm very close to pushing the button that one and just started reading on this Vizio.

My comparison is solely about 3D, 2D PQ - I'm not too concerned about aesthetics. Main usage is 3D Blu-ray, 2D Blu-ray, HD Videos, Cable and very importantly XBOX 360 Gaming.

One important issue is 2D -> 3D Conversion. Couple of my friends who have the 55" Samsung 3D play XBOX 360 games (Call of duty, Burnout) on 2D -> 3D conversion and can't go back to 2D gaming after being blown away! Does this Vizio offer similar 2D -> 3D conversion?

Any input will be helpful!

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