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There is a review of the 3d-xl at bigpicturebigsound.com. The reviewer has it set up with an HD66 and a 92" screen.
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The prices out of UK if you do the conversion is approx $400 plus free glasses with unit including VAT for the 3D XL. But where talking 399 before taxes and no glasses depending on where you purchase here.
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I have two spare Sharp 12k's I was thinking about using in a dual projector setup. I've seen it mentioned that the Optoma would split the R & L signals for 720p and send out the streams on separate HDMI outs for 720p but you would need two boxes for 1080p. I'm on the iPhone and can't tell whether the photo showed two HDMI outs or whether they were HDMI ins. Can anyone confirm I'd only need one box for feeding two 720p projectors?

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There is a review of the 3d-xl at bigpicturebigsound.com. The reviewer has it set up with an HD66 and a 92" screen.

Great review! And so true. Nothing beats 3D on the big screen!
Not even a 3D TV as I have one myself.

Can't wait to get this 3DXL unit.
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I have two spare Sharp 12k's I was thinking about using in a dual projector setup. I've seen it mentioned that the Optoma would split the R & L signals for 720p and send out the streams on separate HDMI outs for 720p but you would need two boxes for 1080p. I'm on the iPhone and can't tell whether the photo showed two HDMI outs or whether they were HDMI ins. Can anyone confirm I'd only need one box for feeding two 720p projectors?

I'll be cracking open the manuals and everything tomorrow to begin my testing on these units, and the other pieces for the U3D Theater, so I'll let you know.

My first guess is that you would need two 3DXL units for a dual projector setup, even at 720p, but I STRESS that that is only a guess at this point.

I got the impression at CEDIA that one unit could handle 720p, but I think that was only with a DLP-Link configuration, possible, not dual pj. So unless anyone else checks in on this here, I'll have some answers by Friday morning.
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Very sure you need two for passive no matter the resolution. They only have one output, so in passive one 3DXL will be the left eye projector and the other 3DXL the right.

Can't wait for your results. Am I correct in assuming that all you are going to be able to get is 1080P24 per projector? Will you need a splitter to send the bluray player's 3d signal to both 3DXL units?
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Very sure you need two for passive no matter the resolution. They only have one output, so in passive one 3DXL will be the left eye projector and the other 3DXL the right.

Can't wait for your results. Am I correct in assuming that all you are going to be able to get is 1080P24 per projector? Will you need a splitter to send the bluray player's 3d signal to both 3DXL units?
Warren.

I will be feeding the 3DXL boxes from the two HDMI-out ports on my 4311CI AVR, using it as a splitter.

Initially the 3DXL will be outputing 1080p60, is my understanding, but the upcoming firmware update will allow me to enable 1080p24 also.

Also, the units will output the resolution it is fed, so if I feed it a 720p60 SBS signal, they will output one 720p60 signal per box.

I have learned from another source that the Viewsonic box does not support a two-box, dual-projector configuration, making the 3DXL, naturally, my preferred unit.
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With the Viewsonic adapter it is also unclear to me at this time if the unit will de-code SbS and/or T&B 3D transmission formats from satellite and cable 3D channels. Does anyone know at this point?

OK - got some more info this morning on the Viewsonic. I haven't seen it but I understand that it will not do a dual-projector setup (as mentioned).

Also, it can decode SBS 1080i, but it has an issue with inverting the Left and Right views with no easy solution at this time.

I'll stay focused on the 3DXL in this space. Should have some good info tonight.
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Also, the units will output the resolution it is fed, so if I feed it a 720p60 SBS signal, they will output one 720p60 signal per box.

Are you sure? In that case it's good to know. I was afraid it would upscale 720 to 1080 (for no reason) in dual configuration since that is what page 11 and 13 of the manual suggests. The french review also said the 3D-XL did a bad job scaling 1080 down to 720 if I understood correctly. I'd rather have no scaling at all taking place in the 3D-XL boxes in my upcoming dual configuration.
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Are you sure? In that case it's good to know. I was afraid it would upscale 720 to 1080 (for no reason) in dual configuration since that is what page 11 and 13 of the manual suggests. The french review also said the 3D-XL did a bad job scaling 1080 down to 720 if I understood correctly. I'd rather have no scaling at all taking place in the 3D-XL boxes in my upcoming dual configuration.

Yes - I would let the projector handle any scaling where possible. However, in the case you the single projector DLP-Link application you have no choice but to have the scaling done in the 3DXL I would guess, if coming down from 3D Bluray.

Was the French review talking about 1080i SBS conversion to 720p, or about 1080p24 frame packed (Bluray) conversion to 720p?
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Does anyone have the 3DXL working with Directv yet??
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Teaser! About to start the testing for the Ultimate 3D thread. So I will be posting the pics of the unit here as a unpack and connect.
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I really can't wait for this box. My stupid HTPC is too loud for movies. Can't wait to hook up my ps3 instead. I also am very interested in passive projection.
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Ok - here are a few pics out of the box. I took the liberty of setting the 3-way output mode switches at back to Left and Right, respectively.

BTW I'm really liking this AVS iPhone app! Makes this easier!
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rdjam - You really know how to hurt a guy. I am tempted to come to Miami and "borrow" in the middle of the night at least one of those units. What time do you go to sleep? HA.
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Hmm, does the manual state anything about the IR emitter. I can't find Optoma IR glasses, and wonder if they are compatible with any other glasses.
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If they did it right, it doesn't matter. VESA defines the signal pattern for a VESA standard output, and any emitter with that 3-pin connector should work. Now, there may be glasses-to-emitter compatibility issues (based on the wavelength of the emitter), but not with the box.

If that's all correct, any of the vesa standard emitters should work, or the older samsung/mitsubishi 3-pin emitters.

But that's all untested and based on the assumption that optoma did it right
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ok, so plug in a samsung emitter and use samsung ir compatible glasses then. That would be cool.
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Hi all, I just read through this thread and as I understand it rdjam is setting up a passive dual projector setup using the 3DXL boxes. Is it possible to do an active dual projector setup using the 3DXL boxes and two DLP link projectors?
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rdjam - You really know how to hurt a guy. I am tempted to come to Miami and "borrow" in the middle of the night at least one of those units. What time do you go to sleep? HA.
Lol! (at least I HOPE that's an lol!)

FYI. When I finished with my testing of the units tonight, I'll put together a little report on what I find, for this thread. Meantime I am posting as I go in the U3D thread.

So far have the unit running and all ok to now.
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Hi all, I just read through this thread and as I understand it rdjam is setting up a passive dual projector setup using the 3DXL boxes. Is it possible to do an active dual projector setup using the 3DXL boxes and two DLP link projectors?
I'm not sure that that would work, as if one projector gets even slightly out of sync it cause a lot of crosstalk.

If somebody out there were to try it, you would definitely want to use ONE 3DXL box only, so there would be only one timing source. This would mean using an HDMI splitter after the 3DXL.

But again, I'm not sure that would be possible to connect or make work.

Why do you want 2 DLP Link projectors, for more brightness?
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Was the French review talking about 1080i SBS conversion to 720p, or about 1080p24 frame packed (Bluray) conversion to 720p?
The review was talking about 1080p24 frame packed Bluray.

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Yes - I would let the projector handle any scaling where possible. However, in the case you the single projector DLP-Link application you have no choice but to have the scaling done in the 3DXL I would guess, if coming down from 3D Bluray.
If running single 3D-XL with DLP-Link projector you would probably be best of setting your 3D-Bluray player, HTPC or PS3 to output 720p60 manually if possible so no downscaling is done by the 3D-XL. 720p all the way through to the 720p projector.

If running dual 3D-XL with dual projectors, one would like to have 1080p24 bluray coming thru untouched to the dual 1080p projectors (which is now output at 1080p60 and thats ok since there will be new firmware later).

However when running 720p60 (PS3 games) to this DUAL 3D-XL configuration, you say that 720p will be preserved although the 3D-XL manual says specifically that everything in a dual setup will be output at 1080p60.

rdjam, since your are currently testing your 3D-XL boxes, could you somehow please confirm that if fed a 720p hdmi1.4 framepacked 3D signal in dual config (L or R set on the back) the 3D-XL will also output 720p? I am confused since the manual of the 3D-XL says otherwise.

3D-XL manual (page 13):
http://www.optoma.no/uploads/manuals/3D-XL-M-en.pdf

French review translated to english: (go to "First impressions with a Blu-ray 3D")
http://translate.google.se/translate...ptoma-3d-xl%2F
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I'm not sure that that would work, as if one projector gets even slightly out of sync it cause a lot of crosstalk.

If somebody out there were to try it, you would definitely want to use ONE 3DXL box only, so there would be only one timing source. This would mean using an HDMI splitter after the 3DXL.

But again, I'm not sure that would be possible to connect or make work.

Why do you want 2 DLP Link projectors, for more brightness?
Yes more brightness was the goal without changing to a special screen to maintain the polarization.

What screen are you planning to use?
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The review was talking about 1080p24 frame packed Bluray.

If running single 3D-XL with DLP-Link projector you would probably be best of setting your 3D-Bluray player, HTPC or PS3 to output 720p60 manually if possible so no downscaling is done by the 3D-XL. 720p all the way through to the 720p projector.
yes, that is the beat way to do it. My brain wasn't engaged

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If running dual 3D-XL with dual projectors, one would like to have 1080p24 bluray coming thru untouched to the dual 1080p projectors (which is now output at 1080p60 and thats ok since there will be new firmware later).

However when running 720p60 (PS3 games) to this DUAL 3D-XL configuration, you say that 720p will be preserved although the 3D-XL manual says specifically that everything in a dual setup will be output at 1080p60.

rdjam, since your are currently testing your 3D-XL boxes, could you somehow please confirm that if fed a 720p hdmi1.4 framepacked 3D signal in dual config (L or R set on the back) the 3D-XL will also output 720p? I am confused since the manual of the 3D-XL says otherwise.

3D-XL manual (page 13):
http://www.optoma.no/uploads/manuals/3D-XL-M-en.pdf

French review translated to english: (go to "First impressions with a Blu-ray 3D")
http://translate.google.se/translate...ptoma-3d-xl%2F
Hmmmm, maybe I should spend some quality time with the manual I was so excited I dove right in tonight as soon as I got my paws on them!

Once I get 3D to work with my Denon (my current sticking point) I will certainly test those resolutions out.
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Yes more brightness was the goal without changing to a special screen to maintain the polarization.

What screen are you planning to use?
Have not selected a screen yet. Once everything else in the chain has tested out ok, I will be running a "polarization retention" test pattern I put together, on various samples that I am now collecting.

Once I find the screen that delivers the beat extinction ratio, I'll be ordering it.

Also may test anything that any manufacturer send my way.
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Ok, this is interesting. I just resized my desktop to 1080p24 again, and the 3DXL has passed this through.

My RS40 is now showing 1080p24 as the input signal from the 3DXL.

I'll check on that in the morning.

Darn, I have a business dinner shortly, so will post for help with the 3D issue in the Arcsoft and Denon threads, and continue testing later.
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Well...?
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I found another video scaler that is available now...will this work?

http://www.3dvirtualstore.com/index....eo-scaler.html
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dying to hear the results of this. I would much rather buy a second Mitsubishi 3800 at 1080 p 3d with dual 3dxls than buy the optoma 720p models for 3d. although I'm not sure that is even possible.
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I found another video scaler that is available now...will this work?

http://www.3dvirtualstore.com/index....eo-scaler.html

I don't think so:

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HDMI1.3 Rx and Tx with Deep Color and xvYCC color gamut support.

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