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As those who’ve been reading along with the “Official 3D-XL Owners Thread” know, my first choice for 3D conversion was the 3D-XL; however, after too long of a wait and far too many undelivered schedules, I forsook the 3D-XL path and went for the VIP 3D-Theatre product. In other words, I got tired of waiting for the 3D-XL, and I recently bought and received a VIP 3D-Theatre. THANKS, Jonathan!!

Before telling you what I've found so far, I'll first tell you a little about myself in the interest of qualifying my comments and the perspective from which they are rendered. I am not in any way affiliated with anyone who sells any of the products that I am discussing here. I am completely independent. I have not been compensated in any way by anyone for anything I am writing. I paid full price for the products I am reviewing. I‘m a perfectionist and a fairly picky audiophile and videophile. I'm the kind of perfectionist that listened to scores of different audio systems and speakers for months before making a selection—the guy who, after doing all that auditioning, still found his 5.1 set of Vienna Acoustics Beethovens/Maestro a little too strained at high volume, his 5.1 set of JM Lab Electra a little too grainy in high frequencies, and his B&K Ref 30 a little too noisy on quiet tracks. I’m the guy who finds the scratch on the paint, or the unlevel picture on the wall, that no one else notices. If you’ve ever watched the series, Monk, you know what I mean. Some say I’m weird because of my attention to detail.

Why am I telling you this, though? I’m telling you all of this to let you know, before you read my review, that I'm not one to normally gloss lightly over imperfections. If I do, it’s because I find them insignificant. If I find the quality of something to be “acceptable”, or even “very good”, chances are that the average person will find that to be an understatement.

This is an important foreword, in my opinion, because small points of praise or criticism can be easily taken far too seriously, or not seriously enough, by the average reader when someone is rendering a review of audio-visual equipment, not only because everyone has a vastly different threshold for what is good versus bad, but also because A/V reviewers tend to over-criticize everything while failing to effectively convey the overall net value of the criticisms they impart, to the extent of causing some people to fear and fret over things the average consumer would actually find to be insignificant if even noticeable. There is a lot of subjectivity in an audio-visual review, and sometimes something that’s no big deal at all can be made to sound like a deal-breaking problem. So, I’m going to give you my personal opinions as a picky audio-video nerd who has a respect for making sure the average reader is not lost in jargon or scared away by obsessive nit-picking that doesn’t amount to a hill of proverbial beans in the real man’s world.

Having read some unsettling reviews, I worried a lot about the brightness and effective resolution of the HD 66 with ANY 3D setup. At least one reviewer reported that the projector dropped to less than 700 lumens in 3D mode, and that the glasses would naturally cut that to an effective 200-300. Another poster in an AVS thread had me briefly concerned about a DLP-Link synchronization issue that people started calling “pseudo stereo”. Then, there was the screen size and gain. Most people using this projector for 3D are projecting screen sizes somewhere around 100 inches, and some are using high-gain screens. Some even said that the image in 3D was “soft”; others said the picture was too dark; others said it was just fine. Finally, there was the glasses question. Which one has the best transmittance and contrast? So, I asked a lot of questions and did a fair amount of research, but I ultimately resolved that I would just have to try it for myself. As you'll find in reading further, my expectations were exceeded, and my fears were rendered a waste of time (SO FAR).

OK, here's what I can tell you so far.

Unboxing:

The VIP 3D-Theatre that I received is a pre-release version. I ordered it with one set of DLP-Link glasses. It came in an unmarked box with a USB cord and the glasses inside. A power supply and manual were not included, but I do not know if they will be included when the final street version is shipped. For my needs, Jonathan sent me the manual via email, and I used a 5V DC power supply that I already had. You may be able to power the unit off of a USB port on the average Blu-ray player, but they only support about 100ma, so I can’t say for sure until the electrical specifications are formally published for the Theatre.

Test Equipment:

Screen: 135” Elite VMAX II, Matte White, 1.1 gain
Projector: Optoma HD66, firmware uncertain but believed to be latest
Projector Distance: Approx 16’
Glasses: Set A: VIP (No, they are not the same glasses as Ultra-Clear.); Set B: Ultra-Clear
Cable: 40 feet of Auvio (Radio Shack) with Auvio Repeater
HDMI Switcher: Rocketfish
3D Converter: VIP 3D-Theatre

Testing:

I first tested the unit with the Despicable Me 3D Blu-ray at noon on a bright, sunny day, with a considerable amount of light coming into the moderately-darkened room. Right now, you’re probably expecting me to start telling you how dim the image was or how washed out the blacks were, but to my complete, blissful surprise, contrary to the professional reviews on this model of projector, I had to contain my urge to squeal like a school girl at a Springsteen concert as I found myself staring unexpectedly at a very BRIGHT, BOLD, perfectly-synced 3D picture. I was also surprised to find that, contrary to at least one professional review I read on this projector, the brightness, contrast, and other settings on the projector were available for adjustment in 3D mode. The reviewer said that when he selected 3D mode on the HD66, the projector overrode any brightness or other adjustments he made. Contrary to his review, my projector still offered me full functionality and control. This may be due to the version of the firmware; I do not know. I adjusted brightness and contrast at will, but I found that the same setting I had already selected were just fine. I had already spent considerable time tweaking the settings for the perfect 2D picture.

My second test was with a significantly darkened room at night. The lights in the next room were on and spilled into the theater room. To summarize, let me just say this: IMAX at home, if not better. OK, OK, that may be a slight overstatement (maybe, but, honestly, not by much if it is), but that was the honest feel and the reaction from the whole family, including myself. The colors, saturation, black levels, and brightness are not quite as perfect as the IMAX in every way, and are also not as good as the same projector in 2D mode without the glasses on, but I have to be honest with you by telling you that this system just flat out JAMS in 3D. Asking for more is just being spoiled, especially at the price (but even regardless of the price). I’d say that complaining about this setup would be kind of like having Jennifer Lopez for a girlfriend and complaining because she has too much junk in the trunk.

My third test was with the PS3’s Call of Duty: Black Ops. It was excellent, stunning, beautiful. I have nothing more or less to say than that.

My final test was with DirecTV 3D at noon. As with all other tests, the performance was, again, excellent.

From all my tests, I must say that I am very pleased with the brightness, contrast, color, and basically everything else. I noticed no flicker, no ghosting, and the only jitters that I did notice are about the same as I notice at the IMAX 3D theater, anyway. In fact, I notice a lot MORE flicker when I attend the finest 2D theatre in town (an IMAX theatre).

The Glasses:

Another thing I’ve read and posted about is the glasses. There is some discussion about figuring out which glasses are the best to buy and which ones have the best transmittance and contrast. I thought this was going to be a big deal, based on the brightness concerns I read. However, in my tests, the cheap glasses that came with the unit worked very well, as did the Ultra-Clears. The slight green tint of the Ultra-Clears is so slight that it is practically negligible, and I actually ended up determining that I may like them better than the brighter and uncolored VIP glasses. Both glasses performed with excellence. I really can’t make any valid complaint over either of them. From start to finish, the impression is “awesome!”

The Verdict:

Just buy it! It rocks! It does exactly what it says it will do, and it does it very, very well. Finding something to criticize with this system is nothing short of nit picking. If you’re not happy with this thing, well, you probably won’t be pleased with much else, either.

Through all of my tests, I noted a few things that I find most important to report to folks who are reading reviews and trying to wade through them to make a decision. First, regardless of whether you’re playing PS3 games, watching a Blu-ray, or viewing DirecTV, you don’t have to push any buttons or change any settings. It just works. There is, however, a set of dip switches that might be employed if you, for example, want to watch 3D on a 60Hz TV. Second, too many people say that the HD66 is too dim in 3D and had faded blacks. I can’t tell you what they found, or what kind of conditions in which they found them, but in EVERY one of my tests, I found the system to be AMPLY BRIGHT and beautifully black, even on my 135”, 1.1-gain screen from 16 feet. In fact, some scenes are just a touch too bright (not to the extent of being a “bad thing”, though). Third, I think a power supply should be offered with the sale of this unit, but it is easy enough to pick one up at Radio Shack. Fourth, I had expected to have to buy an expensive “3D-capable” HDMI switch, but the inexpensive Rocketfish worked fine. Fifth, the glasses were just fine. Don’t sweat them. Finally, there's the "pseudo-stereo problem" with DLP-Link. It's not an issue. About half the time, you look at the title screen when you're first initiating a session, and you will notice that the items that should obviously be in the foreground are not distanced correctly from the obvious background. Things look out of sorts. You click "invert" in your projector's 3D menu, and you're done. It's simple, and certainly nothing to worry about. No, it will not drive you crazy.

Now, this is for the picky videophiles out there.

Yes, there are some weaknesses to this system, just as there are with any system. Nope, it’s not as bright and rich as it is in 2D, but it’s plenty bright enough, and rich enough, for the material I watched. There may be some movies out there that are inherently dark, and they may have a problem with this system. I have not yet confirmed that fear, however. If you cannot adequately darken your room, you may want to wait for something brighter, but don’t take that statement too seriously. Some people would be satisfied with this in a half-dark room. I watch most of my stuff at night.

There is a little bit of getting used to the glasses, and the fluidity of motion is sometimes compromised during rapid movements of characters on the screen, but no more than at the commercial IMAX. I've always noticed this kind of thing in the commercial theaters, too.

Unlike IMAX 3D, though, as I said above, ghosting is utterly absent with this system, and flicker is not apparent. I generally DO notice ghosting at the IMAX 3D.

The resolution is excellent with this system, and the drop in resolution from 1080P to 720P was not noticed by anyone in my test room, except for maybe just the slightest, most miniscule degradation that I noticed, but it was so slight that I would only notice it briefly at times and think it might actually be my eyes (my eyes have always wrestled a little with 3D). Yes, I suppose one might be accurate in saying that the image is slightly "softer", but the word, "slightly", should be emphasized.

For anyone who does not have a serious bent for anal retention and a diagnosed condition of untreated OCD—and even for those who DO—I say this: buy with confidence, and stop reading nay-saying reviews. So far, the VIP 3D-Theatre is a great product that does exactly what it’s supposed to do, and the HD66 projector is an excellent match. In short, I have to say that the VIP 3D-Theatre, the HD66, and the other products mentioned herein combine to form a system is very much on par with commercial Real-D and IMAX theaters, with the obvious exceptions of screen size, audio power, and brightness (which, again, I found to be just fine).

Note: this is only my personal opinion and the opinion of three other viewers along side me in the test room. This does not mean that anyone else’s opinion is less valid or less intelligent. An opinion is an opinion, and not everyone has the same threshold. No offense to anyone with differing opinions, but if you’re an average person rather than a very, VERY picky videophlie, and you are worrying, stop. If you’re hesitating, don’t. If you’re waiting on the 3D-XL, but have a chance at buying a VIP 3D-Theatre in the mean time, buy the VIP 3D-Theatre, hook it to your HD66, and enjoy. Don't worry about the glasses. Either buy the VIP ones, or get some Ultra-Clears. They are both fine choices.

WELL DONE, VIP!! I am a satisfied customer.

Thanks for all the chat, company, answers, and help during the long wait time for the 3D conversion products to hit the street, guys. I enjoyed it. Congrats to those of you lucky enough to have received 3D-XL's and VIP's so far. As for the rest, just be patient; it's worth the wait.
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Thanks for the detailed review. I am waiting to see if this will work with my non 3D projector (Pioneer FPJ-1)
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gotcha--Do you have a non-3D projector to try this with? I think you need the emitter and glasses for that, but even without, you should see a left and right image. Just wondering how much flicker there is?

I'm going to order one of these today for my ACER H5360, mostly for cable since I have an HTPC for 3D bluray. That makes it expensive, but it's the only game in town right now. I have a 2D Mits 3800, and it would be kick to see 1080p 3D on it, though.
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Pictures of The Vip Theatre,........

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awesome review...... i was iffy on the fact that the 3D-Theatre only has 1 HDMI input port, whereas the 3D-XL has 2 ... but i love the fact that the 3D-Theatre auto recognizes the format, no need to push a SBS button or anything.


This review just sold me, as i have the HD66 and Ultraclear glasses (and confirm your review as i have watched a few movies via a HTPC and its not to dark at all)

A+++++
and thanks for taking the time to review
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Thanks for posting the pics. I was going to post some this morning. Now, I don't have to.
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Thanks for posting the pics. I was going to post some this morning. Now, I don't have to.

how about some youtube videos of it and of it in action
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Great review !

Thanks

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i posted in the other thread at 3D-Tech Talk

but just in case you didn't see it there... www.consignia.ca tonight will be adding all 3 of these 3D-VIP products to his web site
3D-Gamer, 3D-Displayer and 3D-Theatre all with free shipping.... He accepts various payments and has website checkout and invoice (since i know allot fo people ,like myself, didn't want to send paypal money to someone with no invoice or checkout system)

cheers to all

can't wait for mine to arrive , week of April 4th

Screw you optoma .. and you just lost a customer FOR LIFE
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+1 Optoma messed this up royal...
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gotcha--Do you have a non-3D projector to try this with? I think you need the emitter and glasses for that, but even without, you should see a left and right image. Just wondering how much flicker there is?

I'm going to order one of these today for my ACER H5360, mostly for cable since I have an HTPC for 3D bluray. That makes it expensive, but it's the only game in town right now. I have a 2D Mits 3800, and it would be kick to see 1080p 3D on it, though.

This is what I would like to know aswell, has anyone tried this with a 60hz projector and does this affect the amount of flicker considerably?


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This is what I would like to know aswell, has anyone tried this with a 60hz projector and does this affect the amount of flicker considerably?


/Henrik

Look in the new theatre owners thread. It does work with 60hz, and you dont need a 3d receiver either. Incredible.
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First, please do not interpret my words as any sort of intended criticism against the company Optoma or its products. Actually, part of the point of my review was to tell just how well the Optoma HD66 performs with the VIP 3d-Theatre, along with the glasses, screen, cable, repeater, and switch. The point was to give feedback on my exact findings of the products tested together and to dispell all of what I found to be inaccurate nay-sayings about the current viability of 3D projection in general. It was also to give some due credit to VIP for producing exactly what I've been waiting for Optoma to deliver since before Christmas, but I do not hold any grudge against Optoma for failing to deliver on time. I just got tired of waiting for the 3D-XL (and ALL of these products), and I decided I'd buy whichever one I could get my hands on first--be it the 3D-XL, the VP3D1, or the VIP 3D-Theatre. I have voiced some joking about being frustrated over the wait in the past, but in reality, I understand that it takes time to roll out a new product, and there are all sorts of unexpected delays with such an endeavor. Rest assured that any capitalist--and they are ALL capitalists--WANTS to start making money on his investment as soon as possible. I must agree that Optoma did falter significantly by announcing the 3D-XL product too soon, and by making too many undeliverable representations regarding delivery date, hoping to cash in on the "early bird gets the worm" philosophy, but that backfired because of real-world production caveats, while other vendors announced their products but did not publish a series of falsely speculative delivery dates. However, again, I can't help but KNOW that Optoma, and any other company with money tied up in a new product, wants to get it into full sales production as soon as is humanly possible. So, please know that I don't want to be the cause of any anti-Optoma discussion. I think they make some great products and that the 3D. For me, the VIP is all I need for 3D conversion, though. I have no doubt that the 3D-XL and VP3D1 are also fine producs, but I simply don't have them in my hands, so I'm just reporting on the fine products that I have received and tested. The HD66 and the VIP 3D-Theatre are a perfect match.

Long story short: my point is to not to put down Optoma, but to tell you the positive things about another fine set of products, and I believe that any great product can stand on its own without putting down the competition. The VIP products are no exception. They need no fall guy to shine, as they shine all on their own. So, suffice it to say that the VIP 3D-Theatre is a great product and works very well (outstanding) with the HD66, the Elite VmaxII 1.1, the Ultra-Clear glasses, the Auvio Cables and repeater, and the Rocketfish switch. Please accept that as all I meant to convey on the matter of product competition.

Second, in response to Theed's question, here's what I can tell you. From my current understanding of this technology, and a little inadvertent observations taken while setting everything up and initially turning everything on, I feel confident in telling you that you need the inter-frame white singal for the DLP-Link glasses to work with any reasonable level of fidelity, so you'll need the IR glasses and emitter to make the 60hz mode work effectively, since a necessary component for DLP-link will be missing in that configuration. I have a 60hz TV and could test both it and the projector in 60hz mode if I had the IR glasses and emitter, but I only have DLP-Link glasses; so, I can't test that for you. The DLP-Link glasses naturally go haywire without the interframe signal (although, they will show sporadic bits of 3D content, off and on, without the signal). Based on what I've seen so far, I think the 60hz mode will work as advertized with the IR glasses and emitter, but flicker may be an issue, at least for some. That's hard to say with any certainty for all viewers, but it does stand to reason that you may notice a flicker. I actually notice a flicker at the commercial movie theaters that I did NOT notice before being spoiled by the HD66. The problem is that you're going to have to be pretty careful about accepting people's subjective reviews about something like that. One guy will say it's unacceptably flickery, and another might say he doesn't really notice it. If I ever have to opportunity, I'll do my best to give you a thorough and objective review incorporating a few different perspectives from others in the same viewing room.
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gotcha: Thanks for the input. On another thread a VIP owner did get 3D 60hz to work on an Epson 8100 (I think that's the model), and he said it works great with minimal flicker.

I'm ordering the VIP Theatre with the IR emitter and glasses, though I have a DLPlink setup for my ACER H5360. I want to try 60hz 3D on my Mits 3800 1080p and see what that's like--although it's not a high lumen projector. I'm doing this for research (yah right--more like "toy" value --being one of the older--maybe oldest?--kids on this block).
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gotcha: Thanks for the input. On another thread a VIP owner did get 3D 60hz to work on an Epson 8100 (I think that's the model), and he said it works great with minimal flicker.

I'm ordering the VIP Theatre with the IR emitter and glasses, though I have a DLPlink setup for my ACER H5360. I want to try 60hz 3D on my Mits 3800 1080p and see what that's like--although it's not a high lumen projector. I'm doing this for research (yah right--more like "toy" value --being one of the older--maybe oldest?--kids on this block).

"a VIP owner did get 3D 60hz to work on an Epson 8100 "

Excellent! Glad to hear it. Thanks for the info on that. As I said above, I figured it would work because every other function has worked flawlessly so far. The flicker is a subjective judgment, so I would really like to see that setup in action, just to satisfy my curiosity. I just can't use that mode (60hz) because I don't have the IR glasses and emitter. My guess is that the flicker is noticable but no big deal for most people. If that ends up being verified by a few more people, then that could easily put the VIP product at the head of the 3D-converter pack, where it already seems to be by way of auto-sensing 3D protocols (versus having to press buttons, etc) and wider compatibility.
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How does this figure into the big picture for someone that is looking to buy a 3d projector in the near future? I've been following the details of the soon-to-be-released ACer and i had assumed that I would go that route when the time comes. Should the arrival of this device make me consider some other non-3d projectors that might have other superior qualities but are not 3d? I'm mostly looking to watch content from my ps3 and directv. I suppose a device like this would also allow me to turn my lcd into a 3d device as well so that would be a plus.
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How does this figure into the big picture for someone that is looking to buy a 3d projector in the near future? .

Good question, that is why I'm doing my own research into non-3D projectors. I have a hunch, though that on a dlp, the flicker and rainbow will collide making it unwatchable, but with an LCD, it will look just fine. I have DLPlink 1080p projector to try and a 55 inch LCD, both 60hz. We'll see when I get this thing set up. The person who did get it working at 60hz was using an LCD projector.

Edit: Here's the other thread with the Epson 8100 review: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1323736
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So this will will work on a 120hz LCD?
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I haven't been able to test that yet, so I'll have to defer to Jonathan and those who have tested the unit on 120hz LCD's, but from what I understand, yes, it should work if you have an IR emitter and IR glasses.
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I am being stupid or will this work with my sony vpl hw10 1080p projector? It displays at 60hz? fingers crossed!!!!
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From the best I can tell, it looks like a "yes" on that, as long as that projector will auto-sense down to 720P at 60hz. I would give VIP a call if I were you.
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Hi guys. Hoping that you can help. I am an Aussie that imported a Mitsubishi HC6800 LCD projector from the USA. It works fantastically over here on both USA blurays and DVD source material. Our local format is 50hz and not 60hz. Will this unit work on my system given the differences? Sounds like a great way to get 3D on a massive scale. Using a 120 inch AT screen from Seymour AV with 1.2 gain. Any feedback would be great. Also do they ship to Australia? Thanks muchly!

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[quote=Dingaling2004;20218485] Our local format is 50hz and not 60hz. Will this unit work on my system given the differences? QUOTE]

Apparently not. The 3D-VIP.com website states it will work with all 60hz and 120hz displays. Best to contact them directly on their website to see if they are going to support an international model. Flicker might be an issue, though, as you go below 30hz per eye even through 25hz is more aligned to actual movie frame speed.
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The answer I received from Jonathan:

The following two products will work with your Sony television:
We will have 3D Theatre/3D-Displayer in stock in the first week of April.
3D-Theatre: $499.00 (Games, Movies, Satellite/Cable & Internet and 60Hz/120Hz TV/projector)
3D-Displayer: $299.00 (Games and Movies & 60Hz/120Hz TV/projector)
IR emitter glasses with emitter: $129.00
DLP Link glasses: $70.00
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Will the 3D-Displayer work with LCoS unit? (JVC RS20)
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Will the 3D-Displayer work with LCoS unit? (JVC RS20)

Since this thread is 3D-Theatre and HD66 Review

i think you would be better asking about the 3D-Displayer in the 3D-Displayer thread...
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Thanks very much Threed. I will contact them directly.

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gotchacovered, can you force your hd66 to 60hz using the dipswitch on the vip unit, or will the pj only run at 120? It would be nice if those of us without 3d-ready displays could all get an impression of any flicker issues.
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I'm currently waiting on some equipment so I can test 60Hz operation. I plan to test and post a review. I expect the equipment today or tomorrow.
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gotcha: Thanks for the input. On another thread a VIP owner did get 3D 60hz to work on an Epson 8100 (I think that's the model), and he said it works great with minimal flicker.

I'm ordering the VIP Theatre with the IR emitter and glasses, though I have a DLPlink setup for my ACER H5360. I want to try 60hz 3D on my Mits 3800 1080p and see what that's like--although it's not a high lumen projector. I'm doing this for research (yah right--more like "toy" value --being one of the older--maybe oldest?--kids on this block).

Could you test how the VIP works with the 5360 @60hz? The 5360 loses a lot of brightness at 120hz so it'd be interesting to see if the increase in brightness is worth the trade-off with flicker.
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