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"Watching Video with the Head Mounted
Display
• Some people may experience discomfort (such
as eye strain, fatigue, nausea, or motion
sickness) while watching video images or
playing games. Sony recommends that all
viewers take regular breaks while watching
video images or playing games. The length and
frequency of necessary breaks will vary from
person to person. You must decide what works
best. If you experience any discomfort, you
should stop watching the video images or
playing games until the discomfort ends;
consult a doctor if you believe necessary."

Wearing these intentionally to the point of discomfort is ill advised.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there is no concept of "accounting for taste". We don't "pick" the level of bass any more than we get to pick the ending of a play. High fidelity is an unbiased, neutral, exact copy (or "reproduction") of the original source's tonal balance, timing, dynamics, etc..

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I don't understand the concept of paying $750.00 on a display that has to be modified to make it usable almost immediately. Adding a baseball cap, bicycle helmet velcro tape Etc. Removing parts, cutting parts I wouldn't do it. At that price I'll wait until Sony does it right.
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I don't understand the concept of paying $750.00 on a display that has to be modified to make it usable almost immediately.

Because there is no alternative to this at this moment. And people want this experience at this moment.

Are you not stupid by that rational buying any gadget as it will be obsolete and over priced against a similar things
5 years down the road. you can wait or enjoy the experience now. it's thankfully each and everyone's choice.


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Wearing these intentionally to the point of discomfort is ill advised.

There's also a message about sticking your fingers in the plug socket you should maybe quote?
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@Bravia3D

Received your pads and with them the HMZ is much more confortable. Nice work
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Because there is no alternative to this at this moment. And people want this experience at this moment.

Are you not stupid by that rational buying any gadget as it will be obsolete and over priced against a similar things
5 years down the road. you can wait or enjoy the experience now. it's thankfully each and everyone's choice.

No I'm not stupid. You seem like you were personally offended by my statement. I'm offended by yours.
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I don't understand the concept of paying $750.00 on a display that has to be modified to make it usable almost immediately. Adding a baseball cap, bicycle helmet velcro tape Etc. Removing parts, cutting parts I wouldn't do it. At that price I'll wait until Sony does it right.

Actually it's $799.99, and an FYI to others from yesterday:
The Sony Personal 3D Viewer | store.sony.com link has the Estimated ship date: 01/17/2012 back.

I'm thankful for the opportunity to be able to get this technology today and not having to wait until it is comfortably perfected. Glad to pay a little extra to get it to fit to my satisfaction.
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No I'm not stupid. You seem like you were personally offended by my statement. I'm offended by yours.

Not at all. I just think that you will forever be waiting for something you actually like. just because you can wait to get it better and cheaper in the future. Its the industry.

By spending $800 and a little bit of time modding it to our own unique ergonomic fit we have a fantastic device that we can not attain in any other way.

Look at anything that we interface with ergonomically, like a motorcycle for instance and you'll find a million mods people make to improve it for their personal preference.
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My Poor-man 'mod':

I tried this last night and I couldn't believe what a difference it made. All it took was a section of velcro off of a roll and a stretchy hair-tie.

Holly bananas!

Thanks so much blizaine tried your "simple" mod and it works for me! Finally passed the "two hour mark"and counting, no preasure no nothing, before I was quite happy with this very nice piece of hardware, now I´m really happy. Yes guys give it a try . Cheap and simple.

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By spending $800 and a little bit of time modding it to our own unique ergonomic fit we have a fantastic device that we can not attain in any other way.

So true.... I can finally fully enjoy my 3D BD collection (and growing) with "true colours and brightnest" and specially no more crosstalk. 2D, looks great too. I guess that thanks to it´s "deep blacks" but, without sacrificing shadow detail, you get a sense of 3D, for example, yesterday watching Star Wars: Episode III Revenge Of The Sith BD I was blown away by the sense of depth. Made me smile....

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Glad my pads are helping many out! We are still taking care of many orders daily!

3D items I own:

Sony 46" LX900 active 3D set

Sony HMZ-T3 (Cushion pads and light blocker mod)

LG LW6500 passive 3D set

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I don't understand the concept of paying $750.00 on a display that has to be modified to make it usable almost immediately. Adding a baseball cap, bicycle helmet velcro tape Etc. Removing parts, cutting parts I wouldn't do it. At that price I'll wait until Sony does it right.

Good point.

Also, there will be competition from HD resolution 3D devices more akin to large sunglasses, rather than strap over and around the head helmets/hats, expected to be released in the coming year by companies such as Zeiss and the higher resolution ST1080 (as in the resolution is 1080P) by Silicon Micro Display, that will be a fraction of the weight and size of the Sony. Hopefully they will be acceptable in comfort straight out of the box and not need any modification, but only time will tell.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there is no concept of "accounting for taste". We don't "pick" the level of bass any more than we get to pick the ending of a play. High fidelity is an unbiased, neutral, exact copy (or "reproduction") of the original source's tonal balance, timing, dynamics, etc..

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I don't understand the concept of paying $750.00 on a display that has to be modified to make it usable almost immediately. Adding a baseball cap, bicycle helmet velcro tape Etc. Removing parts, cutting parts I wouldn't do it. At that price I'll wait until Sony does it right.

Because its a part of the experience. To have it. Now.
many of us have followed be HMD/VR scene for decades.
I spend a fortune way back on a Forte3d. It was great then,
but the last 15 years ive been searching for the same experience.
And the Hmz really delivers. It can be a pain to wear yes. And
takes time to learn to adjust right. But when you have that down, its
really awesome. Some of the games in 3d really shines and totally
bring you to another world.

Its also very fun and exciting to be on the front of the consumer tecnical VR revolution
that will come sooner or later. Its just a matter of time. Its a hobby and a passion.
1000$ or whatever you pay is well worth it.
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Good point.

Also, there will be competition from HD resolution 3D devices more akin to large sunglasses, rather than strap over and around the head helmets/hats, expected to be released in the coming year by companies such as Zeiss and the higher resolution ST1080 (as in the resolution is 1080P) by Silicon Micro Display, that will be a fraction of the weight and size of the Sony. Hopefully they will be acceptable in comfort straight out of the box and not need any modification, but only time will tell.

Neat device, but I am curious about the 10% see through. I would think that would ruin the image (it would have stuff you don't want to see and would let light in making it hard to see the dark areas).
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^A piece of black tape over the front would cure that issue for you, so it would then act just like the Sony with no transparency.

[Or, I guess, a hinged flap could let you snap the light blocker up or down, at will, as an option. Need to see your remote or keyboard? Flip the light blocker away. Need total darkness and no transparency? Flip the light blocker in place. Plus, think how cool you'd look.]

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Good point.

Also, there will be competition from HD resolution 3D devices more akin to large sunglasses, rather than strap over and around the head helmets/hats, expected to be released in the coming year by companies such as Zeiss and the higher resolution ST1080 (as in the resolution is 1080P) by Silicon Micro Display, that will be a fraction of the weight and size of the Sony. Hopefully they will be acceptable in comfort straight out of the box and not need any modification, but only time will tell.

The OLEDS with outstanding shadow detail and black levels will be hard to beat.... I'm spoiled already, especially now when directors are filming scores of films in the now popular dark atmosphere style. Think Harry Potter - Deathly Hallows Parts 1 & 2 3D" or "Fright Night 3D", "Thor 3D", Green Lantern 3D" or "Priest 3D", CGI scenes in Puss & Boots, just to name a few.
Many of these movies get bad video-quality 3D reviews because of not being able to see detail while the 2D counterpart reviews seem to score much better in the video-quality category. Never had a problem watching any of the these films in 3D with the OLED's reproducing reference quality detail rivaling the best 2D display renditions.

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Does anyone here know of a comparitive chart like this but for the OLED Zeiss HD Cinemizer?

I can't find much detail on them.

Chart source:http://roadtovr.wordpress.com/2011/1...md-comparison/

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to me sony mhz-t1 still beat the crap out of st1080 as OLED is still the superior vs LCOS...hopefully my order will arrived on next month january for my HMZ-T1
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also ST1080 having stereo is already lame :P who want to watch movie using the headset it comes with only stereo.... :P
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"Watching Video with the Head Mounted
Display
Some people may experience discomfort (such
as eye strain, fatigue, nausea, or motion
sickness) while watching video images or
playing games. Sony recommends that all
viewers take regular breaks while watching
video images or playing games. The length and
frequency of necessary breaks will vary from
person to person. You must decide what works
best. If you experience any discomfort, you
should stop watching the video images or
playing games until the discomfort ends;
consult a doctor if you believe necessary."

Wearing these intentionally to the point of discomfort is ill advised.

Maybe thats the reason why they are uncomfortable ?
Just to force us to take regular pauses from time to time.
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Actually it's $799.99, and an FYI to others from yesterday:
The Sony Personal 3D Viewer | store.sony.com link has the Estimated ship date: 01/17/2012 back.

I'm thankful for the opportunity to be able to get this technology today and not having to wait until it is comfortably perfected. Glad to pay a little extra to get it to fit to my satisfaction.

I agree i paid £750 in the uk about $1300 and think it was worth every penny .
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Good point.

Also, there will be competition from HD resolution 3D devices more akin to large sunglasses, rather than strap over and around the head helmets/hats, expected to be released in the coming year by companies such as Zeiss and the higher resolution ST1080 (as in the resolution is 1080P) by Silicon Micro Display, that will be a fraction of the weight and size of the Sony. Hopefully they will be acceptable in comfort straight out of the box and not need any modification, but only time will tell.

That is true but they are not made to be immersive the hmz t1 is and it is amazing.
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Are you not stupid by that rational buying any gadget as it will be obsolete and over priced against a similar things
5 years down the road. you can wait or enjoy the experience now. it's thankfully each and everyone's choice.

So true - just additonal food for thoughts: In 5 years a much better technology might arrvie, but the real central question is: Will oneself still be walking on planet earth to enjoy it? Live now.
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so true - just additonal food for thoughts: In 5 years a much better technology might arrvie, but the real central question is: Will oneself still be walking on planet earth to enjoy it? Live now.

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I love mine and it was worth every penny. My pads just make it better

3D items I own:

Sony 46" LX900 active 3D set

Sony HMZ-T3 (Cushion pads and light blocker mod)

LG LW6500 passive 3D set

PS3 & PS4

Sony BDP-S570 BD3D player

JVC-GS-TD1 (with Cyclopital base extender)

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Hi everyone! I just register here on Avs! I followed the entire thread from the begining as I am a HMZ owner since nov 22. As many of you the discomfort of the device force me to think about returning it to sony. But with the help of the community all the members here I was sure a solution was going to be found!

I received my cushion pads from bravia3d yesterday (thanks by the way bravia).

The discomfort of the device is now nearly completely gone.

Their was still a little problem, the sides blurry. with the forehead pads supply its really hard to have the sweet spot nearly impossible. So I took off the leather pad kind of from the plastic, one of the three and just stick a thin layer of foam pad I had laying around.

With this the blurry sides are completely gone. It becomes perfect!!

So the blurry sides or top bottom comes from because your eyes are too far from the lens.

And with the forehead thiner the device now sits properly and dont even touch my nose, and I see all the screen perfectly equal no cut bottom!

Ill do a video to post on youtube so you guys will see my mods!

So, nice to meet you all!! and dont look my english! im french Canadian so it could have some mistakes
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I still have mine if anyone is interested before I sent them back to Sony.
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Post some pics please.

I used to live in montreal. Your english is better than my french.

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Hi everyone! I just register here on Avs! I followed the entire thread from the begining as I am a HMZ owner since nov 22. As many of you the discomfort of the device force me to think about returning it to sony. But with the help of the community all the members here I was sure a solution was going to be found!

I received my cushion pads from bravia3d yesterday (thanks by the way bravia).

The discomfort of the device is now nearly completely gone.

Their was still a little problem, the sides blurry. with the forehead pads supply its really hard to have the sweet spot nearly impossible. So I took off the leather pad kind of from the plastic, one of the three and just stick a thin layer of foam pad I had laying around.

With this the blurry sides are completely gone. It becomes perfect!!

So the blurry sides or top bottom comes from because your eyes are too far from the lens.

And with the forehead thiner the device now sits properly and dont even touch my nose, and I see all the screen perfectly equal no cut bottom!

Ill do a video to post on youtube so you guys will see my mods!

So, nice to meet you all!! and dont look my english! im french Canadian so it could have some mistakes

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That is true but they are not made to be immersive the hmz t1 is and it is amazing.

As far as I'm concerned, the 45 degree horizontal FOV spec of the Sony [actually 47.1 based on the "120 inch screen at 10 feet" claim] is too large for a 720x1280 resolution panel to support and would never be used in a professionally designed home theater based on industry standards, but then again I don't like seeing the pixel structure of the surface; I find in distracting and would never put up with it knowing that other brands, soon to be released, have addressed this with a tighter less magnified 720p OLED display (Zeiss) or in the case of the Silicon Micro Display, a 1080P LCoS panel having more than double the number of pixels, and a tighter display spanning a smaller visual arc to the viewer.

Obviously many people here seem to have no qualms about seeing the pixel structure, it would seem, so gamers must have a different perspective than videophiles looking to watch movies and TV, I'm guessing.
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to me sony mhz-t1 still beat the crap out of st1080 as OLED is still the superior vs LCOS

Like myself, Sony seems to have no problem with using LCoS as a proven technology, by the way, in both their top of the line consumer grade projectors, such as the current $10,000 VPL-VW95ES, as well as their higher end $98,550 SRX-R110 projector.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there is no concept of "accounting for taste". We don't "pick" the level of bass any more than we get to pick the ending of a play. High fidelity is an unbiased, neutral, exact copy (or "reproduction") of the original source's tonal balance, timing, dynamics, etc..

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LCoS is used in almost every DLP projector?
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I find in distracting and would never put up with it knowing that other brands, soon to be released, have addressed this with a tighter less magnified 720p OLED display (Zeiss)

Wich one? I read that the current "zeiss cinemizer" only has 640x480 per eye, they have another one?
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LCoS is used in almost every DLP projector?

No, LCoS, (what Sony sometimes renames with their proprietary moniker "SXRD"), is different from DLP, LCD, and OLED technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...lay_technology

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