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Old 05-25-2012, 08:14 PM - Thread Starter
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I loved the fact that the acer H5360 did not have any crosstalk, however, the colors were too muted in 3D mode and everything was a too blurry. I wish we had true 1080p 120hz projectors but I realize thats a pipe dream. Its a shame, I could have lived with the 720p acer if it retained color quality and sharpness while in 3D mode but it made everything look dingy.

I have two custom PCs which I have built myself. One is modeled around an Nvidia GTX680 and the other is modeled around an Asus 7970, so I have both bases covered in terms of 3D video options. I just need a projector that doesn't loose all of its color clarity, sharpness and punch while in 3D mode.

I plan on playing PC games in 3D and watching movies. Are there any DLP projectors out there that can satisfy my 3D needs? My wish list of more features would entail: An Nvidia 3Dvision approved DLP that has a faster colorwheel than the H5360, lens shift & at least 1.5x zoom
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Maybe it is just your screen. What are you using?
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Maybe the Optoma GT750(3000 lum) with the RF-glasses.
It is said that the Optoma RF and DLP link glasses have good 3D color.
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Sort of echoing what Bob said, maybe something was wrong such as your screen, 3D glasses, or maybe you had a defective projector. Colors look just fine on mine and it's razor sharp in 3D. Certainly 720p, but sharp.
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The colors and picture is decent until I go over 40"
Once screen size passes 40" it just becomes darker and duller. Maybe I am just used to high end displays and I am a little more spoiled.

I have tried it on multiple screens and its all the same. Also, the color wheel is way to slow for me, I see rainbows all over the place in 3D mode when I shift my eyes.

So I am looking into getting this projector next because its specs sound great, but cant find any reviews anywhere.

http://www.necdisplay.com/p/multimed...ctors/np-v300w
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The colors and picture is decent until I go over 40"
Once screen size passes 40" it just becomes darker and duller. Maybe I am just used to high end displays and I am a little more spoiled.

I have tried it on multiple screens and its all the same.

How about a high gain screen? It sounds like that's what you need. Even with a bright projector, 3D will be on the dim side without one. The Dalite HP 2.4 gain screen seems to be a popular choice. As long as you're viewing it from the right angle, you'll get that bright, vibrant, flat panel look that I think you're looking for.
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How about a high gain screen? It sounds like that's what you need. Even with a bright projector, 3D will be on the dim side without one. The Dalite HP 2.4 gain screen seems to be a popular choice. As long as you're viewing it from the right angle, you'll get that bright, vibrant, flat panel look that I think you're looking for.

Thanks for the advice, I'm quite sure your right. But are there any affordable options on the Dalite HP 2.4 gain screens? I cannot find anything under $1,800.....yea $500 projector and $1,800 screen, makes perfect sense

I'm located in Florida, what are my best options?
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You'll find this thread interesting http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1382091
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But are there any affordable options on the Dalite HP 2.4 gain screens? I cannot find anything under $1,800.....yea $500 projector and $1,800 screen, makes perfect sense

Yikes, I'm pretty sure they're cheaper than that. I think they sell the pulldown versions for a reasonable price. I haven't bought one from Dalite myself, but I bought a similar 90" 2.6 gain screen here in Japan for roughly $150 USD. Check out the Screens section of the forums, I'm sure it'll be worth your time (and money).
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Just to give you another perspective - I owned the H5360 and found that the 3d glasses I used made a big difference. The Ultra-clears were very muted, Nvidia glasses just ok, Optoma ZD101 very good, and RealD CrystalEyes 5 the best. And your projector's resolution and native contrast will make a difference. I recently switched to the Acer H9500BD and am seeing things I never saw with the H5360. Better blacks, more detail, less rainbow. That's using a 110" Da-lite High Contrast Cinema Vision screen.
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Just to give you another perspective - I owned the H5360 and found that the 3d glasses I used made a big difference. The Ultra-clears were very muted, Nvidia glasses just ok, Optoma ZD101 very good, and RealD CrystalEyes 5 the best. And your projector's resolution and native contrast will make a difference. I recently switched to the Acer H9500BD and am seeing things I never saw with the H5360. Better blacks, more detail, less rainbow. That's using a 110" Da-lite High Contrast Cinema Vision screen.

Ya but my use for this projector is primarily gaming on my Nvidia GTX 680 rig. Because Im using 3dVision I am limited on the glasses & projectors I can use.
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How about a high gain screen? It sounds like that's what you need. Even with a bright projector, 3D will be on the dim side without one. The Dalite HP 2.4 gain screen seems to be a popular choice. As long as you're viewing it from the right angle, you'll get that bright, vibrant, flat panel look that I think you're looking for.

+1, the screen is everything for a 3D projector. The 5360 is only ~800-900 lumens in 3D. 80%+ of the light is lost through the shutter glasses. 3D projectors are screaming for a high gain screen.

I still have my 5360 and it still holds it's own on my 142" 2.8 HP screen. I replaced it with the BenQ W7000 which is ~1100 lumens in 3D mode and has the perfect lens shift to work with the HP screen (mounted near eye level for max gain).

There's some good deals from time to time on the older 2.8HP's. The next projector could be just as disappointing without the right screen to get the brightness levels you might be expecting in 3D.
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+1, the screen is everything for a 3D projector. The 5360 is only ~800-900 lumens in 3D. 80%+ of the light is lost through the shutter glasses. 3D projectors are screaming for a high gain screen.

I still have my 5360 and it still holds it's own on my 142" 2.8 HP screen. I replaced it with the BenQ W7000 which is ~1100 lumens in 3D mode and has the perfect lens shift to work with the HP screen (mounted near eye level for max gain).

There's some good deals from time to time on the older 2.8HP's. The next projector could be just as disappointing without the right screen to get the brightness levels you might be expecting in 3D.

The NEC has a 6x color wheel though and the Acer only has a 3x, which should make a huge difference for me cause I see alot of rainbows on the acer. The NEC supposedly has more lumens and better color accuracy too. However, I now see that I will have to get a good screen, but since 3D is only 720p I don't need a crazy big screen, maybe something in the 60"-80" range. Can somebody PM me some recommendations, because I only have experience with Wilsonart DIY screens, which don't yield enough gain for 3D.

My game room is 12'6 x 12'6, so it looks like the NEC would throw in the 75-87" range at that distance.

I would love to check out that optoma, but it doesnt look like its certified for Nvidia 3D vision. After looking over the Nvidia 3Dvision supported projectors (http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-visi...uirements.html), it looks like my best choices would be:

NEC V300W
ViewSonic PJD6531w
BenQ W710ST
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Regarding the glasses - you are actually not locked into having the Nvidia glasses. I have used all the glasses I mentioned at the same time. I used the 5360 extensively for gaming with DLP link glasses with an HTPC and an Nvidia 570 card.
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Really well I have:

One pair of Nvidia 3D vision 2 glasses with emitter
3 pairs of Samsung 3D active glasses that came with my S27A750 3D monitors
2 pairs of Vizio Real D 3D VSG1

Out of all those pairs the samsung ones appear the lightest, but I am not sure how those work or how I could get them to work with 3Dvision & the projector
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I also own the Benq w710st. It has better contrast than the 5360 and the image is crisper. Because it is short throw it needs to be positioned half the distance that the Acer was. The rainbow effect is not visible in 3D and much less than the Acer when used in 2D.
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Really well I have:

One pair of Nvidia 3D vision 2 glasses with emitter
3 pairs of Samsung 3D active glasses that came with my S27A750 3D monitors
2 pairs of Vizio Real D 3D VSG1

Out of all those pairs the samsung ones appear the lightest, but I am not sure how those work or how I could get them to work with 3Dvision & the projector

Not sure how that system works. With a dlp-link projector you can use dlp-link glasses. I'm not familiar with your monitors so I don't know what the glasses sync to. Is there an ir emitter in the monitors or do you plug something into the vesa port on the Nvidia?
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I guess all of the glasses are IR because they all need line of sight with the display.
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