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ViruzzX 08-29-2012 11:10 AM

On August 29, 2012 Sony announced a refresh of their popular HMZ-T1 HMD (Personal 3D Viewer), The new model is: HMZ-T2


Here is all the technical info as of August 29, 2012 (Will updated)

Display Resolution: 1280 x 720
0.7-inch OLED monitors.
45 degrees viewing angle
3D Stereo
Simulated 5.1 surround sound system
Ear Buds (detachable)
Headphone plug
20% lighter (330g) than HMZ-T1
Bigger single piece detachable Light Shield
Forehead Supporter will be button removable and adjustable. (From the pictures, there is a small movable switch like button just below the padding)
Wireless Remote (Rumored)

24p True Cinema mode for Movies
Clear Mode for gaming
Auto-color Temperature Adjustment


Rumored EU Price: 1000€
Estimated release date: end of October

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/head-mounted-display/hmz-t2?utm_source=sendgrid.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=website#/TechnicalSpecs









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Chronoptimist 08-29-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ViruzzX View Post

24p True Cinema mode for Movies
The HMZ-T1 was not operating at 24p!? I didn’t keep mine long enough for formal testing, but that would explain the awful judder I saw when watching films…
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Originally Posted by ViruzzX View Post

Clear mode for gaming
Any idea what this means? Low latency? The HMZ-T1’s 50ms was worse than my LCD TV.


That’s great if the ear buds are detachable, as I would prefer to use my own headphones, but sticking with a 45º FOV and no mention of contrast or optics improvements leaves me disinterested. The image was far too small with the HMZ-T1, there were awful chromatic aberrations, and black level was poor. (10,000:1 CR)

Moving to 1080p panels seems like it would be detrimental to gaming, unless they now support 1080p60 3D inputs, though it should help reduce the screen-door considerably.

ViruzzX 08-29-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

The HMZ-T1 was not operating at 24p!? I didn’t keep mine long enough for formal testing, but that would explain the awful judder I saw when watching films…
Any idea what this means? Low latency? The HMZ-T1’s 50ms was worse than my LCD TV.
That’s great if the ear buds are detachable, as I would prefer to use my own headphones, but sticking with a 45º FOV and no mention of contrast or optics improvements leaves me disinterested. The image was far too small with the HMZ-T1, there were awful chromatic aberrations, and black level was poor. (10,000:1 CR)
Moving to 1080p panels seems like it would be detrimental to gaming, unless they now support 1080p60 3D inputs, though it should help reduce the screen-door considerably.


Its just a list of features, not new features but all of them.

The clear mode is new (or maybe I never noticed it? on my HMZ-t1), anyway as far as I know its whats called Game Mode in Samsung TV's, basically it disables all picture processing to lower latency.

As far as i know from the info i gathered, it was requested by John Carmack, in one of his interviews he said that he emailed sony and talked to them about decreasing the latency.

IMO we cant thank him for this, very important feature for gamers (at least from my experience and Samsung TV's that has this feature)

Not every game is 3D and not every HMZ user uses it for 3D only, adding full HD is great since most games are 2D.

HMZ-T1 supports side by side mode, so having full HD is good for 3D too, SBS 1080P look better then frame pack 720 even thou that frame pack is full resolution and side by side is not

Sfynx 08-29-2012 11:35 AM

As per this link mentioned in the HMZ-T1 thread:

http://www.pcinpact.com/news/73408-ifa-2012-hmz-t2-sony-renouvelle-son-visiocasque-3d-720p.htm

I surely hope that price tag is not accurate if it does not have 1080p OLEDs, because then it is really a revision rather than an upgrade. It should have been lighter and more comfortable from the start anyway, and the other adjustments would not be worth such a price premium imo, even for a gadget.

ViruzzX 08-29-2012 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sfynx View Post

As per this link mentioned in the HMZ-T1 thread:
http://www.pcinpact.com/news/73408-ifa-2012-hmz-t2-sony-renouvelle-son-visiocasque-3d-720p.htm
I surely hope that price tag is not accurate if it does not have 1080p OLEDs, because then it is really a revision rather than an upgrade. It should have been lighter and more comfortable from the start anyway, and the other adjustments would not be worth such a price premium imo, even for a gadget.

Thanks for noticeing, info updated.

yeah I hope it wont be that expensive, you can always get the Much cheaper US version.

I got mine HMZ-T1 for almost half EU price, paid 720USD versus 799EU in Europe and it works fine in 220v outlet even thou it has a 110V Only picture on the back of the decoder

Skylinestar 08-29-2012 12:54 PM

Here's the detail officially from Sony:
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/head-mounted-display/hmz-t2

ViruzzX 08-29-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

Here's the detail officially from Sony:
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/head-mounted-display/hmz-t2

Thanks.

So its not full HD, basically its a refresh of the old hardware.

Actually even the weight is not changed, they just removed the headphones so its lighter, you can do it yourself (Im going to)

alamone 08-29-2012 01:18 PM

From the Sony site:
"Clear mode to reduce motion-blur - If you’re a gamer, you’ll love the clear mode setting, optimises and enhances lost frames for great clarity of high-speed action"

This sounds more like 120hz frame interpolation than latency reduction to me.

Sfynx 08-29-2012 02:36 PM

So 720p after all... No way I'm gonna pay more than 800 euros for practically the same thing. The 24p thing and the removability of the earbuds (my ears cannot fit that stuff well, I rather use my own equipment) are nice, but does not warrant a price change at all given the natural devaluation of hardware over time.

800 for this one and a nice discount for the older one to get rid of those as well would make the most sense. Waiting eagerly for price information....

bravia3D 08-29-2012 02:43 PM

A major disapointment as I was hoping for a fresh new model before Christmas with 1080p and smaller size.

This is just basically the same thing with removeable headphones, bigger light piece and thats about it. I could do this with the original myself already:mad:

Sfynx 08-29-2012 02:58 PM

Also interesting to note is that the Sony website states that a nose and forehead supporter is not included. Are we supposed to hold the thing in place by ourselves now?

bravia3D 08-29-2012 03:09 PM

WHAT?!.... That has to be wrong, it should come with all that just like the original. Or there shall be numerous complaints!

Supplied Accessories








Start-up Guide


YES




Instruction Manual


YES




Warranty Guide


YES




AC Cable


1




HDMI Cable


1(1.5m)




Forehead Supporter


NO




Nose Supporter


NO




Sheild for Outside Light


1



What kinda BS is that? they expect you to buy that seperate??

bravia3D 08-29-2012 03:21 PM

Something also is telling me those headphones can't be removed... Looking at the wiring it looks like they are permanent earbuds, so you can't use your own.

Sfynx 08-29-2012 04:07 PM

Well, the 'use your own headphones' part is clearly stated on their features page...

This thing is now getting so confusing that I'm starting to suspect two things may be true:

1. They won't sell one copy since the old one is better for less money
2. They spread this nonsense just for laughs and eventually release a $600 all-in package featuring a trollface on the box tongue.gif

bravia3D 08-29-2012 04:08 PM

LOL, well hopefully they release it and it's actually smaller and a bit better.

ancjob 08-29-2012 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sfynx View Post

Well, the 'use your own headphones' part is clearly stated on their features page...
This thing is now getting so confusing that I'm starting to suspect two things may be true:
1. They won't sell one copy since the old one is better for less money
2. They spread this nonsense just for laughs and eventually release a $600 all-in package featuring a trollface on the box tongue.gif

i really hope they do !
i really do not like the hardware mods [removal of headphones , changing to battery power , IPD gearwheel removal] hence i did not even think of ordering this as T1 had a lot to improve on.

Now i know why the T1 is being retailed at usd$669+ on ebay USA brand new . they [Sony USA] are selling the remaining stock discounted to retailers to clear their inventory and to make way for T2 eventually.

i wanna know

1)are the IPD sliders 'independently' adjustable ? [ the gearwheel in T1 is a mess unless ones hacks it] ? [very important for me]

2)Are the optics better on T2 compared with T1 or is this old wine in a 'modified bottle' ?

3) how is T2 more comfortable [with stock headphones removed - earbuds added] - may be i am wrong but i do not see any change for the better except reduced weight ?
forehead supporter is the same as in T1 - so i guess NOT suited still for long hours continuous usage unless want to end up with red patched forehead !

Please Sony T1 owners - update on this for features below - are these 'NEW' features added to T2 or same as on T1 ?
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3) "Clear mode to reduce motion-blur - If you’re a gamer, you’ll love the clear mode setting, optimises and enhances lost frames for great clarity of high-speed action"

4) "24p True Cinema for an authentic experience - With the 24p True Cinema feature you can watch films at 24 frames per second – the authentic frame rate for big screen movies"

5) "Enjoy long hours of play with less eye fatigue - Auto Colour Temperature adjustment gradually lowers image tone intensity from blue to red hues for hours of smooth viewing
=================================================================================

Sfynx 08-30-2012 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ancjob View Post

Now i know why the T1 is being retailed at usd$669+ on ebay USA brand new . they [Sony USA] are selling the remaining stock discounted to retailers to clear their inventory and to make way for T2 eventually.

At least that is a sign that the new one won't have a ridiculously elevated price...
For more info we'll probably have to wait until the first reviewers get their hands on it at IFA, I too am interested in the supposedly improved optics and 24 fps playback, somehow I'm very sensitive to judder, especially with those panning camera movements (I always complain about that where others don't see it (or don't care)).
I also wonder how that Auto Colour Temperature adjustment thing would prevent eye fatigue... the way I see it it's just masking the symptoms (apparently color perception changes gradually)... nice to know the science behind that...

benz145 08-30-2012 09:32 AM

Sony has done a pretty poor job on the press side of this release. The official product page (http://www.sony.co.uk/product/head-mounted-display/hmz-t2) says that it is "full HD", which anyone with a proper mind recognizes as being 1920x1080... but still this is the same 720p resoution as the HMZ-T1. As I noted, the press release even called the HMZ-T1 "all new" and "totally enhanced".

ViruzzX 08-30-2012 10:11 AM

I wonder if it will be cross compatible? The new features like 24P and Game mode are firmware based in the decoder or the HMD?
If it in the decoder then maybe its possible to use old model with new decoder?

If its in the HMD itself then i hope we will have an option to buy the new HDM without the decoder and use our old one

ViruzzX 08-30-2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by benz145 View Post

Sony has done a pretty poor job on the press side of this release. The official product page (http://www.sony.co.uk/product/head-mounted-display/hmz-t2) says that it is "full HD", which anyone with a proper mind recognizes as being 1920x1080... but still this is the same 720p resoution as the HMZ-T1. As I noted, the press release even called the HMZ-T1 "all new" and "totally enhanced".
Actually if you click on technical specification in that sony link, it says 1280x720

Gradius2 08-30-2012 11:44 AM

Will HMZ-T2 be the next p0rn paradise?

miked1541 08-30-2012 01:29 PM

First time poster, long time lurker.

I returned my HMZ-T1 yesterday at the Sonystyle Store as soon as I found out about the news of the HMZ-T2. The clerk wasn't aware about the announcement and quickly looked up the news on the intarwebz. I enjoyed the T1s but with the announcement of the T2, I decided to utilize Sony's return policy. Good thing I just bought those 2 weeks ago.

As for the new features, I'm mostly interested in using my own headphones. Over the years, I've been using the Olympus Eye-trek FMD-250w, which allowed for the use of my own headphones. The pics I've seen online show a headphone jack and it looks like the included headphones are removable. I was never a fan of the in-ear headphones and I'd like to be able to use my Sony Personal Field Speaker Headphone (PFR-V1), which I got for dirt cheap when they were discontinued. The headphones on the T1 were functional, but I like to keep my options open.

The display on the T1 blows away my circa 2000 Eye-trek. When I first tried the demo at the store, I was OMGWTF, MINE! Now mind you, I've been using the Eye-trek for the past 12 years and my main TV at home is still a 27" CRT. I have no recent comparison. After reading the reviews and trying to follow the AVS T1 threads, I bit the bullet and purchased the long overdue upgrade.

The only HDMI devices I have at home are my cable box, laptop and the Sony SMP-N200 Streaming Player. The Streaming Player worked beautifully and was surprised that it also does 3D. The Sony 3D channel was pretty neat to experience since I don't have any 3D media. Good thing I have the bandwidth to handle the stream.

As for using it on the laptop, I was blown away as well. I used to use the Eye-trek as a secondary display on my laptop for IRC in a terminal window at a very pixelated 640x480 + extra large fonts and with the T1, I could see my work clearly now as a primary display at a much higher resolution. Good thing I can touch type since I can no longer see the screen or keyboard on my laptop.

The Eye-trek is still functional and I mostly use them for tinkering with first person point of view on RC vehicles these days. I was able to put together a battery pack for portability. Not sure what kind of options I could come up with for T1/T2 portability.

I read a press release for the HMZ-T2 and it mentioned these features, which I think are also new:

Wireless remote controls– adjust sound and vision, and access the menu wirelessly without breaking from the action

Play while others watch TV – a dual output switcher means other people can watch TV or films while the wearer plays games (or the other way around)

I read the press release here:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/sony-quietly-drops-new-hmz-t2-personal-3d-viewer-at-ifa/

Does anybody have further info or a list of all the changes? In the pictures, I noticed that the volume buttons are on the other side of the viewer, not below the menu. Also, the processor box is now HMZ-T2P. Does anybody know the difference compared to the HMZ-T1P box?

It was also mentioned elsewhere (can't find link) that the T2 is supposed to be release at the end of October. Can anybody confirm?

Thanks,

miked1541

EDIT: Not sure how valid.

"The Sony HMZ-T2 will be available from the end of October with pricing details to be confirmed."

http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/08/30/sony.personal.3d.viewer.picks.up.welcome.revisions/

helcik 08-30-2012 03:48 PM

What Return Policy? I was trying to give it back a year ago and they wanted 15% restocking fee. I demanded the policy and asked them clarify where does it state 15% for this kind of device. They insisted it was a TV display. I was like... WTF, guys, you work at Sony Style shop and you do not know how a TV set looks like? Come on... Obviously they had no specific category for Personal 3D viewer, so they had it under TV set. This I could understand, but trying to convince me it was a TV set was pathetic... As a result I sold it on Ebay for $1100, so I should thank them, anyway.

Have you been using Eye-trek for 12 years now? Man... this is a long time. And can you confirm your brain and eyes are still doing good? You could be the one of few cases to test the long term influence of personal display glasses on mens health... Make money of it! ;-)

PoisonWolf 08-30-2012 07:17 PM

So what's the actual "size" so to speak with these head mounted display?

On Amazon, it's stating that it's a 150-inch "screen". equivalent....which I find very hard to believe. I've seen some people say it's like 60 ~ 75 inches.

Can anyone provide some insight into this?

miked1541 08-30-2012 08:22 PM

Helcik: I made sure that I could return the T1 (and service plan) for a full refund without restocking fee before I bought it. The salesperson even assured me that it didn't fall under the categories that did require a restocking fee. Perhaps the policy changed after concerns such as yours.

As for my eyes, they're fine. I've worn corrective lenses most of my life and I don't think using the Eye-Trek has caused any issues. Now, I don't wear them for extended periods of time...I think the longest stretch might have been <4 hours tops.

ckong 08-30-2012 10:38 PM

A good video preview by Engadget;

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/30/sony-hmz-t2-3d-display-heads-in-video/

ancjob 08-30-2012 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ckong View Post

A good video preview by Engadget;
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/30/sony-hmz-t2-3d-display-heads-in-video/

ok - the IPD sliders are now 'INDEPENDENT' of each other - for me it's great relief in T2 [getting rid of that f**king gearwheel in T1] - a welcome change
i hope that it stays true when the T2 is officially released.

Too bad it's NOT FULL HD.
i guess they will never release upgrade FULL HD panels in new visors ever - CAUSE THEY DO NOT MAKE THE FULL HD PANELS in their factories and outsourcing those 'd be cost prohibitive - So no full HD HMZ's ever !
Still it's better than those f**king st1080s from SMD with 'great specs on paper' while the actual product is a usd$799 worth of POOP.

Seems T2 optics are the same as before [with T1] .

I'd welcome wireless remote option if that also is intrinsic to T2 [some ebay generic glasses have remote so why not T2 from sony]

hope someone confirms that the wireless remote is added..................................smile.gif

Skylinestar 08-31-2012 12:05 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by PoisonWolf View Post

So what's the actual "size" so to speak with these head mounted display?
On Amazon, it's stating that it's a 150-inch "screen". equivalent....which I find very hard to believe. I've seen some people say it's like 60 ~ 75 inches.
Can anyone provide some insight into this?
60-75" is damn small. Anyone can confirm that?

ViruzzX 08-31-2012 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

60-75" is damn small. Anyone can confirm that?

You need to see it for yourself, every owner will give you different number, its impossible to estimate the size from virtual screen, so take the official numbers because they are mathematically calculated,
from distance, size and all that.

IMO the size is fine, looks big to me but i cant tell you how much it is in inches, looks much bigger then my 46inch 3D TV for sure.

Skylinestar 08-31-2012 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ViruzzX View Post

You need to see it for yourself, every owner will give you different number, its impossible to estimate the size from virtual screen, so take the official numbers because they are mathematically calculated,
from distance, size and all that.
IMO the size is fine, looks big to me but i cant tell you how much it is in inches, looks much bigger then my 46inch 3D TV for sure.
Do you feel like you're in IMAX cinema? If yes, then it's big enough. biggrin.gif


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